A lot has changed since I disappeared. It seems shops don't sell many CSC gift cards anymore. I typically wind up with extra CSC and usually sell it through gift cards. Is there a new method of CSC selling that I am missing?

I hope this is clear. :s

; i think it's just between inflation (28 mil for 250 csc in the shops? wow. i never even realized.) and the other methods to actually purchase it with real money just dropped the demand considerably.

You'd think that with such a flourishing CSC wearable market, f2p users would want a method to obtain CSC without opening their RL wallets. I want to cater to those individuals, but it seems like an extraordinarily low number of people due based on user shop availability.

Actually it's pretty much the opposite. The demand for CSC has skyrocketed since around Black Friday and is somehow still increasing so prices are also increasing and the amount left in user shops has decreased as most of it has been bought up.

; see i figured it was back on the decline, purchase wise, since it's all been bought up and the holiday seasons are over and the prices are so high now because the cheaper stock is being bought out. my mistake.

; i'm sure if you sold it at a discount compared to the whatever million it is being sold for then you'd certainly find a market. it's just making sure you find a decent buyer while not compromising making a profit from selling. but with the prices so high, it was my assumption that it had finally died down and the csc market would hopefully be falling back into flux hence why it shows such small interest in csc. then again, i'm pretty sure most people buying csc are attempting to haggle for a better price then what is listed.

A lot of people like me just refuse to pay 9mil for 100 csc. I know there are people buying at the current prices, which is why they are staying high, but not as many. With being able to use csc direct in the trade center now, gift cards are no longer the only way besides real money to get csc as well. So there's not as many of them on the market.

I just sold two 100 cards last week in only a few hours for just over 7mil. I went almost a mil under shop price because that inflation is insane.

yeah honestly here's hoping the prices deflate a bit... i remember last black friday everyone was freaking out because csc jumped from a solid 3 mil to twice that, then settled back at ~4.5 mil. and this past black friday prices doubled again to ~9 mil, and have yet to come back down. in fact they briefly went down to 6 mil (and of course i didn't buy because i figured prices would go back to normal soon) and then went back up to 9 mil! kind of absurd imo, but also i guess inflation has to be taken into account.

The inflation is seriously out of control though. I understand supply and demand and that prices will never be what they used to be 5 years ago but to have an inflation of over 200% within the past year and a half is insane. CSC is a currency right? What I don't understand is why is it the only currency that can be bought and not earned. Wizard tokens are earned from doing quests, sP is easily earned from games and quests, vesnali coins and steamworks trinkets are earned from clicking around the site, even referral points are earned from doing something as simple as having a friend join. Why then is CSC treated more like an item that you can only buy with real money or other currency?

well unfortunately that is simply the nature of any cash currency on any site. subeta needs revenue, including donations from users, to continue running. which means that, yes, you CAN simply buy money on here, as long as you are willing and able to spend your hard-earned (or not-so-hard-earned in some people's cases i suppose) real life dollars on fake currency to buy fake items.

at least subeta is kind enough to allow players to trade it amongst each other for other currencies you earn by playing the game—unlike some other sites where the ONLY way to acquire the cash currency is by, well, paying actual money. i do think the price surge is out of control. doubling in one year seems excessive; last january, prices were around 4.5 million per 100 csc. now they are around 9 million.

and i mean, sure, natural inflation is a factor of course. the value of sP is always decreasing, that's simply how economies work, simulated or not. but i don't know that such a change accurately reflects the natural progression of the value of sP. i suppose, yes, the "value" of anything is whatever people are willing to accept it is. if people are willing to sell 100 CSC for 9 million sP, and people are willing to buy 100 CSC for 9 million sP, then 100 CSC is worth 9 million sP. that said, i'm not sure that most people ARE willing to buy 100 CSC for 9 million sP. maybe people will resist for a while and then resign themselves to the new status quo as they have in the past (though the increase has yet to be quite so extreme). maybe they'll hold out and prices will drop as more sellers lower their prices for a quicker sale. who knows.

Because it is a currency that you get using real money…

Also you can earn through offers. Not that anyone should trust those, just saying.

I'm not even suggesting being able to earn something like 250 CSC a day like you can earn wizard tokens, but even if you were able to earn something like 10 csc a day that at least gives someone the chance to earn a very small amount without having to actively donate real money. 10 days gives someone the chance of making 100 CSC to hopefully throw some CSC back in circulation or at least drive down the price since now there is another way to obtain CSC. I understand the site needs to make its money but if CSC is going to start selling 11 mil per 100, it makes it very difficult for some people to utilize site features or buy items that people don't want to sell for anything other than CSC. Hope this makes sense.

Yes with real money unlike all others that can be earned. My question is if all other forms of currency can be earned in someway shape or form why does CSC have to be any different? I actually looked at that page earlier today and saw nothing available xD

no, i do agree that something should be done—CSC gives users access to some pretty significant features like CWs, pet slots, name changes, etc—but i'm not sure what the best option would be. maybe a small chance of very small (i.e. 10 CSC) payouts from quests or some other method (i'm loathe to suggest a daily chance machine like neopets has but... idk that might be ok too, who knows) would help. the thing is you don't want staff coming in and saying "you WILL pay this much for this item, no more and no less, because that is what we SAY it's worth!!" because that's just... absurd and arbitrary.

several years ago they tried to boost the value of elixirs because they were largely selling for under 50k sP, which apparently was "too low" in the eyes of the powers that be, so they bought up all the "underpriced" elixirs to make them start selling at higher prices. it kind of worked, as most elixirs now sell for at least 50k, but for the most part people were against the change because value is based on a combination of how much people are willing to pay for something, and how much people are willing to accept for something. and before staff intervention, people were willing to pay 10k sP for an elixir, and people were willing to accept 10k for an elixir, so that's what an elixir was worth.

lmao sorry idk i kind of went off on a tangent there. honestly i'm not the kind of person who would really know what the best course of action would be. staff would probably say more sP sinks to get sP out of the economy, thereby boosting the value of sP and thereby lowering the sP cost of CSC but... idk how well something like that would work. people WANT to hoard their sP! they WANT to have lots and lots of it so they can buy everything they want and still see a big number in the bank! i know for a while i was trying to hit a billion and then they released the millionaire shop pet slots and i was like "well shoot" and bought a few of those—but not all of them because i still love having lots of sP!—and only recently did i give in and splurge on some CSC cards to keep stashed away for a rainy day, because as time goes on the sP value of CSC will only continue to increase... jeez ok i don't even know what i'm talking about anymore, it's late and i'm tired and i'm probably not making any sense lmao :P

I understand what you're saying lol. sP sinks are not working, at least where CSC is concerned. For every sink they try, they release at least another 3 cash shop sets, not to mention all the CWs that get pumped out on a daily basis. I too am always trying to save my sP because there are so many things I want to buy (mostly weapons) that cost a lot of sP. I too don't know the best way to handle the situation, but the methods they are trying so far don't seem to be making a difference. Maybe have an option to buy cash shop and other site features with just CSC? But that would be doing the very thing you said where staff would be saying "this item we feel is worth this much and that's it"

I think the main "problem" here beside of cash shop sales like Black Friday are the Custom Wearables. I think if they'd lower the prices to actually create them the CSC price would eventually drop. I think most CSC get just purchased by SP to buy CSC for CW's.

And before anybody here makes wrong assumptions: I am actually not deep in that CW thing. I also should be "happy" for those insane CSC prices since I am one of the ppl who actually buys CSC with RL cash and sometimes sell those on here for sP. But considering I used to sell 500 CSC for around 18-25mil the current prices are just ridiculous...

CSC has to be different because Subeta needs RL money to operate, rent server time, pay salaries, and profit. There has to be some method for supporting the site, and CSC is it.

And I absolutely get that. I'm not offering to stop people from buying CSC with cash, I'm suggesting an alternative that allows you to earn a small amount of CSC in circulation in an attempt to slow down inflation. If you want a ton of CSC fast, then you can still buy large amounts with cash. I can't see how letting someone play to earn 10 CSC or the random chance of earning 10 CSC will hurt Subeta financially. Maybe there's a better way that I'm not seeing but seeing something rise in value over 200% in the last year or two that affects multiple parts of the site is not normal.

there's no reason to lose income to stop inflation at all, the game is perfectly playable without CSC. sP is a fiat scrip instead of a RL currency and they can make it be worth anything by restricting or expanding the supply at their leisure.

The cost of CSC hasn't actually changed, in terms of how hard you have to "work" for it. The exchange has been about a third of a month for 500 CSC for years. Therefore nothing needs to be done about the cost of it.

You can earn more than 10 CSC/day. Do all of your quests and you'll make about 3m sP. In 10 days of doing all of your quests you can make about 30m which you can then trade for more than the 100 CSC you're talking about.

wouldn't a better solution is to open more payment options to buy csc with real money? subeta makes more money, people who are busy with real life can make quick sp, and maybe the prices may lower somehow. some people somewhere probably have extra cash they willing to burn for subeta but was unable to maybe? hmm.