It's no surprise for me that the csc - sp rate is super high right now. It started with Black Friday (end of November) with the cash shop sale, continued during Christmas because everyone wanted to buy the perfect gifts and then the trees didn't open and many people lost their nerves. It doesn't make things easier when the page goes down for hours like today and you can't access the free shop - to me it looks like lots of people reduced buying csc because they are annoyed.

Also Cash shop currency should never be "earnable" in my option. It's the same thing on every site or in every game: pay to win. If you have some real cash to spare you can make things easier in your game - if not, you have to work harder for your goals.

I wouldn't even consider it a loss of income at such a small amount. Sure you will have the diehards that will attempt to collect every day, but most people will likely forget or think it just takes too long and buy cards with cash or from other people like they are already doing. I am not asking to stop inflation altogether, that's just silly. I'm just looking at ways that would help put some csc into circulation or help bring the demand down to settle the market. Hard to buy csc with sP if no one is selling the cards.

That is assuming prices remain the same or that there are cards in circulation. Prices have not stabilized and it looks like less people are selling cards.

[edit] Thinking about it, maybe the real issue isn't the cost but the amount of items that keeps getting pumped into the cash shop. You have new sets coming out at least once a month, retired items being released daily by the hustler and the numerous number of custom wears that get released onsite everyday. Oh and pet slots, name changes and auto training on top of that which are features I wouldn't consider cash shop specifically. All of these things require one currency that is csc. The demand for it can't keep up. So you have more people using csc than selling and not many cash shop items in circulation to be bought with sP because not many people are buying duplicates or selling for sP.

Daily Goal is at 9%, and the day is half over.

Part of the problem may be that many players that used to be willing to put money into this site no longer have the confidence in it (anyone else have 502 gateway errors today?)

WELL MY NEW YEARS RESOLUTION IS TO NO LONGER FUNNEL MONEY AT PET SITES. 20 days strong and I still didn't break this resolution, I am so proud of myself. I just have to keep it going for...the rest of my life. Woo!

But seriously, outside of the five pet slots I got in December, I didn't really have an interest to get CSC before that. Subeta has a lot of potential, but really few things interest me so...it would take a literal miracle for me to break my resolution again. I bought nothing during Black Friday. I think I spent like 20 in the period before.

I just find Subeta pretty boring, you know. And, full of missed opportunities.

Amen. There was 0 reason to not put the recent space stuff in the Atebus shop.

If Keith were to make a news post that stated something along the lines of the site having financial issues, like in the red, and he really needed the support from the players to help keep the site running, I would absolutely donate each month because I enjoy coming on here and it's a website I use regularly. I don't know what Keith's financial issues are but I don't see any danger in the site shutting down soon. Even if the site were stable, there are so many other things I rather buy (a new car or trips to go see my family and friends for example) with USD than pixels. That's just how I feel though.

I haven't given Subeta money in years xD

Perhaps. I don't know if he thinks the site is having financial issues though?

And while some may be motivated by that, I think others could potentially be worried that if they buy something on a site that the leader is saying is in financial trouble, it may be a waste of their money (because if Subeta goes poof, so do all of our pixels)

That's very true. I can see that playing a big role with people who are having their own financial troubles.

CSC and other currencies that can be earned on site are different.

You can't earn wizard tokens by paying real cash for them. It's still a site only currency, same for any other site based currency.

CSC in general WILL NEVER get to the point that it can solely be earned via site based currencies or events because it's not meant to be earned that way. It's meant to be a real money based revenue available to users who are willing to pay real money in the first place.

That said, the fact that it is a real life currency and used for items such as CWs and pet slots is also what is causing the hyper over-inflation of the csc-sp ratio as well. I'm not really sure there is an easy solution to have it fixed, but I'm not necessarily sure giving small amounts of csc via events is the answer since subeta staff has in general been unwilling to make csc into an available site currency a la wiz tokens and other site available currencies similar to sp.

I think there was some misinterpretation, I never meant for it to only be earned instead of bought, I only asked why minimal amounts couldn't be earned in an attempt to drive down demand. Regardless I realized I was only trying to fix a symptom not the cause. I believe the cause is what you started to elude to with customs in that the site keep releasing more cash shop items on a daily basis and not enough csc is generated to keep up with demands.

Ah.

Yeah, as long as the demand is higher than the actual supply the price of CSC is unfortunately going to go up. The price of higher items that require large amounts of csc is also probably driving a great deal of the cost. I.e. CWs, pet slots, etc..etc..

I'm still not sure giving small amounts of csc would fix it. 10-20 csc for a large amount of csc items isn't going to be able to buy a lot and I think a large amount of those unwilling to part with csc are doing so because they're saving for the larger ticket items that require large amounts of csc. Customs and slots especially require a good 500-1k or more sometimes and those are I think what's fueling the demand for csc in the first place.

Also, just realized that this was in help and questions. I thought it was in site feedback.

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It's kind of getting off-topic. Maybe it should be moved to site feedback since it seems to be turning into more of a site feedback debate on csc?

No it would just be an alternative really. You can try and earn small amounts over a few weeks to reach the same amount you would get if you donated. You're right in that it wouldn't fix the problem. Maybe a better idea would be to limit the number of cws and cash shop sets that get released. Maybe have a grace period to allow the market to catch up? I dunno I'd have to think about it more since it's not an easy fix.

I apologize for high jacking your thread. My one comment has turned into a can debate x.x

I'm actually 100% behind you on this, There used to be videos we could watch to earn csc which in no way hurt the site at all. There is the offer wall but most offers don't even credit you the csc for completing them,there are lots of viruses,and the offer wall just generally sucks since it got changed.

There has to be a viable solution to fix the problem...CSC inflates every year before and during black friday, I wonder if black friday sales were stopped if maybe csc price would settle a bit as the demand on it would drop and then the only demand existing would be for standard cs stuff and cw's of course and whatever else not black friday related.

Users won't even purchase it anymore because it's becoming too high...Keith used to say that the goal of subeta was to keep csc obtainable for the entire userbase and thats why the sp option exists. Now it's becoming unobtainable for users like me who purchase with sp 90% of the time. The only time I really buy large quantities with cash is during tax return. Otherwise it's maybe $10-$15 when the budget allows for it.

Re: earning CSC, I've managed to get a good chunk of CSC out of the offer wall. The trick is sticking only with the tasks (last tab on the right), although I appreciate it's a bit of a grind getting to the stage where you can actually earn decent points. However, it seems to have stopped crediting points to my account since the new year, which is very disappointing. Not sure if it's to do with the extra DDoS defences or something else glitching.

I don't see the inflation going down anytime soon primarily because of how CSC is used on site. It's no secret that the Custom Wearable market is saturated, popular and highly on demand. Also, a lot of new items are created and directly put into the Cash Shop, even if they are not worthy? of it somehow (won't get into details, but yeah).

So I'm not sure if the inflated prices will go down anytime soon. I used to put CSC into the system by reselling them, but with the site is unable to stay stable and I find myself enjoying less and less of my time here. I've been trying to cut myself some slack with the CSC for awhile now and it seems like now is a good time to do so.

I still believe that you can buy CSC easily because it's more than easy to make sP here tbh.

I refuse to spend money on a site that seems to lately be incapable of remaining up for longer than a few hours at any given point since before Christmas. :I

Quite simply. What happened? It was going so great there for a few weeks.

I honestly can't see myself paying for a site that can disappear next week with no notice. (Because I feel like that's going to happen) :/ so Also I've lost interest here really... And I'm tired of seeing cws, like how many recolors do we need of the same item? The pawn shop is flooded with unwanted cws there is literally almost 17000 CUSTOM WEARABLES. That's literally a quarter of a million dollars. But the sites still broke. Uhm ok

As long as people still buy customs they will continue to release customs and recolors. They do take a lot of csc out of circulation. I feel like customs should have their own currency since they have their own market of people. I remember them initially saying that customs were supposed to be an exclusive thing so if they say submission of customs now costs "custom dollars" (and make this currency available for purchase with USD as well) and can only be purchased from the cash shop or pawn shop with "custom dollars" then maybe the csc market will have time to recover and not make other cash shop items or other site features so hard to obtain.

I could understand the high prices for csc if cash shop items were so high in demand that it's driving up the price. However, I feel that a huge portion of demand is coming solely from customs and how much more csc they cost to obtain. If you remove them from the equation I think prices would settle down eventually.

On top of everything that's been said here, it's also easier to sP than it's ever been before. Quests are printing bucket loads of sP at the moment. There's literally no risk/reward anymore, every single quest turns a profit.

i like this idea. i prefer the cw market to get their own currency.