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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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what a piece of shit

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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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The Half Demon

Holy....can someone shoot him in the head execution style already? I can't stand this piece of filth.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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I am at a loss for words...

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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I am in such shock. He should die.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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Wow. Indeed, what a piece of shit.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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I am at a loss for words too. What a disgusting excuse for a human being. I'm also disturbed by the thought that there's probably plenty of other men (and possibly some women?) that agree with what he's said. Sickening.

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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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@Cresenta

From another article;

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The lawyers who defended the gang in court express similarly extreme views about women who venture out at night. In a previous televised interview, lawyer AP Singh said: &quot;If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight.&quot;</p>
<p>In the BBC documentary, he adds that his stance has not changed: &quot;This is my stand. I still today stand on that reply.&quot;</p>
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The lawyers are bad as them

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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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The Half Demon

....I am ashamed to have roots lying in this country. What a massively backwards nation when it comes to the treatment of women.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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@Cresenta we are not all like that!

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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The Half Demon

I know but in recent years (especially) India has made a very bad name for itself in terms of women's rights, equality, and empowerment.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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@Cresenta that is true.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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oh my GOD. I almost yelped in indignation out loud in a crowded school computer lab. What the actual FUCK is going on over there?!! That is so so so awful, like so awful there's not even words to describe how awful it is. I am so, so thankful that I was not born in a place where people think like that and I feel so bad for anyone who was... that is just so wrong I can't even handle it

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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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The whole thing makes me angry, it was big news in India. One of the rapists committed suicide in jail

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Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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Jesus...

That's a man who has no remorse for his actions, who doesn't even see them as wrong, and that is scary as shit. Death is too easy, he deserves to rot in a hole for the rest of his life.

Mar 2, 2015 11 years ago
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That is a sociopath, and a monster right there, folks.

I can't believe he is trying to paint himself as benevolent considering what he did. Literal. Psychopath.

Mar 3, 2015 11 years ago
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This kind of evil is almost too bizarre to comprehend.

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Mar 3, 2015 11 years ago
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I think a large part of it is that the males in Indian society probably don't know any different. It's horrifying that they don't, but I imagine that particularly male misogynistic viewpoint is perpetuated and reinforced by Indian society and thus, they don't really see anything wrong with it. There's no repercussions, at least from a social standpoint because the majority believe that particular belief system is right, not wrong.

Mar 3, 2015 11 years ago
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I am from India. The entire case was a huge story and there was an enormous uprising over it. The girl... she was only a few years older than I was at the time. She was an ordinary student on an ordinary night out. These monsters brutalised and killed her. If you don't know what they did to her, I suggest you DON'T look it up. It was horrible. And it could have (and still does) happened to any woman. But the girl lived long enough to tell her story, and it sparked off a whole movement. Are there still rapes and murders? Yes. Far, far more than there should be. But now people are hearing about them. Women are speaking out and reporting their attackers. And they are also being listened to. Women have a stronger voice now. Unless you have lived here, you wouldn't know just how big a step this is. Things are still nightmarishly bad, but now the very fact that people here are condemning this monster's words means that they have a chance of getting better.

You are partly right. Our society is very patriarchal and misogynistic. But keep in mind that this man is a rapist and brutal murderer. By no means should he be seen as the measure of a normal man from India or anywere else, for that matter. At the risk of sounding like an MRA jerk, I should say that not all men here are like that. Even most extremists would agree that raping and murdering a woman because she is out at night is plain wrong. They might say she 'brought it on herself', but they would still say that rape is wrong. I don't take any pride in being from India. We're a poor, corrupt, backwards and stupid country. But I also say that the BBC hasn't done the right thing by interviewing this creature. Their motive, aside from the sensationalist characteristic of the interview, is likely to simply make all Indian men look uncontrolled savages. If they wanted a man's point of view on the case, why did the speak to the rapist? Why not her father, who supported her education and who wanted her name to be published because as far as he was concerned, she had done nothing wrong. Why not the friend who accompanied her, who was beaten up when he tried to defend her? Why not any of the men who came to the rallies and candlelight vigils held for her and who spoke up in her support? To judge all the men in a country because of a single criminal is just plain wrong. And that's what I think at any rate.

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Mar 3, 2015 11 years ago
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I read the details of the case. I did so mostly because I am law student/criminal psychology major, so I come across violent cases (not often as gory as this one) but quite often. What happened with her was chilling and horrific. I can't imagine the torment she went through. While this case has opened floodgates for change in terms of women's rights in India, I still feel enough is not being done. Case in point is the fact that one of her rapist's was allowed to make comments blaming her and that his lawyer (a supposedly educated man) backed up his words with even more disgusting ones of his own. For a person to be able to tell reporters that he'd set his daughter on fire if she went out at night, for nothing to happen to that person for those kinds of comments...it worries me. But I will take your word that things are improving for women and girls in India. I am glad to hear that, I just feel it came at a huge cost. That girl is dead, her life was taken in the most inhumane way and nothing is going to undo that. But if someone good comes out of it, at least it won't be in complete vain.

I myself am not from India. When I say I have roots there, I mean my ancestry lies there. My mother's entire family in Indian. My father is Punjabi, a sikh. My father however did not grow up in Punjab, he moved to Canada as a young boy and met my mother here as well. I was born and raised in Canada, completely identify myself as a Canadian and nothing more, and have only visited India on two occasions, once when I was an 8 month old baby and the other when I was 17. While that by no means makes me an expert on how the state of women is in India, I do remember one thing from my last visit that tells me there is much work to be done in order to make things acceptable and makes me glad that I live in Canada instead of where my mother grew up.

When I was in India, I met my cousin sister. She was 14 at the time and my older sister (also born and raised in Canada) WITNESSED a group of boys making lewd remarks to her/verbally sexually harassing her when she was on the street at 6 pm coming back from the market. A 14 YEAR OLD. When my sister tried to intervene/wanted to bring it up to the family and do something about it, she said not to because this kind of thing is quote "regular life/normal for a girl here." She lives in New Delhi.

The way I see it, India is an awesome place. India has given the world some amazing things BUT the status of women in India is nothing to be proud of. I hope to God a day comes in my lifetime where I can say that has changed. I really do.

Mar 3, 2015 11 years ago
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@Cresenta Even reading about the case was like some kind of nightmare. I don't even want to imagine what she and her family must have suffered. In her family's case, they are still suffering. And you are absolutely right. Not enough is being done. People are still stuck in an outdated mindset brought about by centuries of absurd superstitions and rigid traditions. The older generation passes them on to the younger one. People grow up seeing things like this as the norm and believe that it is right. And that is how you get lawyers talking like extremist lunatics. Enough is not being done, no. But there actually was a backlash to what that lawyer- and other idiots- said. People did condemn him. On the news, on talk shows, on the internet. There were rallies held protesting their words. I won't say things are improving. Women are still being assaulted and murdered. But at least now it is being acknowledged, and women can speak up knowing that there will likely be people on their side. Let's call it the beginning of an improvement, maybe? I don't think things will get better in my lifetime, but this is a start.

I am sorry that this happened to your cousin. But she's right. This is pretty much an everyday occurrence if you're a girl. It happened to me when I travelled from school and college, and it still happens sometimes when I go out. I don't live in New Delhi, but the mindset is the same. There isn't much you can do short of ignoring them. The police can't, or won't help. Quite often, the boys have the backing of a local political party, and speaking out against them can have some really nasty repercussions.

India was a great country once. It accomplished many things. Now it's nothing. It's rotten inside, tearing itself apart, eaten up by corruption and greed. When it does fall apart, I just hope my family and the people I care about are a long way off.

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