So, the pet spotlight has a rule where if you win, you have to wait two weeks before you're able to win again, so that other people have a chance.

Why isn't it the same way for the potion lottery? The same handful of people win over and over and over again, and no one else has a chance to win because these people buy tens of thousands of tickets every night, and it's unfair and honestly a little greedy. A cooldown period of a few days for winners would be so helpful in ensuring that other people actually have the chance to win sometimes.

edit// Not that I'm saying it's unfair that these people up their chances after they've spent a lot of money! Just that it would be nice to have some diversity among winners. A lot of other people have never won and would like that achievement :)

Idk if someone wants to spend all their money on lotto tickets, then I don't see a problem. That's kinda how gambling works. Everyone has the same odds, it just depends on how much you're willing to spend lol

Plus what happens if the tickets were bought for them by others? That wouldn't be fair for them to be barred from winning.

I'm kind of on the fence about this. Yes, it's annoying if the same people seem to win all the time, but I wouldn't call it unfair. To me, it is fair because they are spending their sP to buy tickets (in a game of chance) and they spend the time entering each day. Everyone has that ability and chance to do that, same as them. If you want to win, you'd go and put in a bunch of entries everyday; enough to win. If you don't or can't, then you don't get to win.

I don't know exactly how pet spotlight works, but I think it's a much larger deal than the potion's lottery, even more with the recent changes to it, so I wouldn't compare the two and impose the same rule. If it did happen, I could see a two-day cool-down, at most. Two weeks seems too long, especially since every win is not a guaranteed expensive/desirable potion.

you know, part of me is wondering if the reason the same people win all the time is just flat out because those are the people buying the lion's share of the tickets on any given day. i have to ask what exactly are the stats on a contest like this?

if it's legitimately a very diverse pool of users buying numerous tickets only to be overwhelmed by the same few names over and over, maybe a cooldown would be warrented. but if it's one of those site functions that's wildly underutilized and there's only a handful of people participating on any given day, then i don't think there'd be much benefit to barring certain participants from re-entering.

you're right about two weeks being too long, i didn't think about that specifically haha. i do agree on the "everyone has a right to spend their sp how they want" part, but even after buying thousands of tickets and spending millions, the average user's chance of winning is still pretty low when these same people enter with insane amounts of tickets. the fact that you're not even guaranteed a desirable potion makes it even more "unfair" (in my opinion) that a few people with more than the average amount of sp to throw around are able to drive up the amount of tickets every day so that their odds are higher than everyone else's, causing everyone else to need to buy even more tickets just to have a sliver of a chance. yeah, if they spend that much SP, they deserve the higher chances, but i just think it would be nice to see some diversity in the winners by having a cool-down. :)

and , maybe if they won recently they can't be entered at all / if other people try to enter them they get an error notification like "this user can't enter for another X days"?

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and you're right , but i figure it's the staff's call for that if they are able to see the stats for the lotto.

I know one common winner mentioned buying something like 1400+ tickets every day

I buy a ticket or two when I remember to, which is not quite every day. I don't think I've won since one day when I did stick a shitload of money into it just to get the achievement for winning.

But I don't really think a cooldown is necessary. I can kind of see both sides. I'm sure it gets frustrating to see the same names popping up consistently, but at the same time, I think it's just because they're the ones buying the most tickets. I mean, if you buy 1400 tickets (daily, at that) you're bound to win fairly often. If you buy one or two, eh you might get lucky but you're chances just aren't as good.

[edit] I really don't think anyone is buying "tens of thousands" of tickets on a daily basis. Most days the number only gets up to a few thousand, at least that I see. The days where it's higher are likely days where someone, or groups of people, are buying for a friend's birthday.

is the number usually low? i didn't know that; all the times i've entered recently (which hasn't been very often) i've purchased around 1000 tickets and by the end of the day the total number is 20-30k or more. now, whether the majority has been bought by one or a few people versus many people entering with smaller numbers i don't know, but there seems to be a pretty strong similarity in the winners day-to-day. and if it's really as unused as you've said then it's probably with good reason the same people are winning every day xD

I don't see it at 20-30k very often, granted I don't always remember to enter, but in my experience it doesn't get quite that high nightly. Though, maybe I just enter at bad times and don't see it jump like that or something, I don't know honestly.

Why are people complaining about a SP sink actually sinking SP?

The more people participate in the lottery, the better. Including people who win it three times per month.

Yeah, two weeks just seems really long, lol. If they do a cool down, a day or two, I can see. Anything longer just seems highly unnecessary.

I don't know, I just see it more as the more effort (ticket buying) you put in, the more you're going to win and that's just how that type of thing works.

What exactly do we gain from diversity in PL winners? With the spotlight i can get why there is a cooldown for diversity. But the PL is nothing but a name on the front page. Sounds like someone wants an easier win by throwing out people who buy loads of tickets. Want to win? Buy lots of tickets, it's as simple as that. That's how the game works.

If people want to spend money on lottery, let them. The site shouldn't go around and tell people what they can and can't do with their sp.

Plus who says the the usual winners are the ones buying heaps of tickets? They might just buy 2k tickets which is peanuts. There might be people buying tickets for a friend their birthday and then it easily adds up to +10k tickets. And the person who bought 2k tickets can win over the person who got 10k tickets.

I can't see this ever being implemented tbh.

I just don't bother entering anymore ^_^

I actually really like this idea. I do think that 2 weeks is too long, and want it to be done more than a 2-3 days. I do think that it would help other people to win-- buying 1,000+ tickets daily is silly. If those are mega tickets, thats 10mil. DAILY. I get that its a SP sink and is doing its job, but they also attached an achievement to it. Expecting users to spend 10mil to have "a shot" at winning is crazy, when 10mil is the AVERAGE that most users have.

I don't see this as something we need. Sorry. Yeah, I'd like a higher chance, but I'm not going to spend loads of tickets to increase my chances. I'm only going to spend my sP on one mega ticket and hope for the best. If people want to spend tons of their sP on the PL, let them.

With the site being more active during the holiday season you're bound to see an increase in folks entering the potion lottery for numerous reasons. I honestly don't think anything needs to change as it is a gamble for anyone and everyone who enters. Nothing is guaranteed no matter how many tickets are purchased by each individual user.

I think adding a cool down period would ruin the whole point of it being a luck based game achievement.

I have no issues with how the potion lottery works now. I don't think a cooldown is needed - if people want to throw their sP at it, let them. You want to win? Throw more sP at it than them.

...I think the people saying things like "I don't think it should be changed, it's all about luck!" don't understand the cognitive dissonance they're engaging in?

The Pet Spotlight is a gamble based on luck, too. You could spend all the SP you have on an awesome pet profile and still not get the Spotlight (and its accompanying achievement.)

(The only difference between being rejected for the Spotlight and losing the Lottery is that even being rejected nets you a one-week cooldown before you can try for the Spotlight again!)

People spend money on their pet profiles, too. Real cash sometimes - not just SP. So "People have a right to spend their SP however they want!" doesn't hold water, either.

And as for "It's just underutilized! So that makes it okay!" - how many pets are there on Subeta, total? How many of them are in the running for a Spotlight? 324,618 and less than 100 respectively, last I heard - pretty big discrepancy there.

So, uh... If the Pet Spotlight (which is luck-based, frequently involves spending money/SP, and is grossly underutilized) has a cooldown... why doesn't the Potion Lottery? I mean, I've got no horse in either race, since I don't prioritize or participate in either of those things at all... It's just something to think on.

If anything the cool down period for the pets spotlight should be removed, since apparently there aren't enough good entries to have daily winners. A cool down period for the lottery is not necessary