Wizard is WSQ again, so the token prices are taking another hit. I'm editing this whole post and looking for other ideas on how we can deal with this.

At one time I was selling at around 30k or more. When Wizard was the WSQ last week, those tokens were going as low as 9-10k. They've barely risen above 20k since then, and now Wizard is WSQ again.

I don't want to see token prices go to the other extreme either, but anything to help bring the prices back up a bit would be great.

Original suggestion: Wizard gives out a random set of tokens, totalling 20 points. Possible combinations: 1x 1x + 1x (pre-revamp reward) 2x

The idea is that we wouldn't get an influx of a value of Wiz Token, and hopefully prices will even out a bit.

Any other suggestions? Ideas for increasing the demand for Wiz Tokens would be good.

Reading the title I thought this was going to suggest varying the amount of tokens given out, like 21 for one quest, 18 for another, etc. His quests would certainly be more interesting that way.

The problem I see with both this and the original suggestion is that breaking it up would flood our inventories. If you're breaking a 20, you couldn't really go lower than 5 or you'd be absolutely inundated with tokens. It would still be a lot, but I guess it's no worse than the old quests (2.4 tokens on average if you vary the amounts, so 2.4 * 15 vs the old 1 * 30 with a GA.

5 + 5 + 5 + 5 10 + 5 + 5 10 + 10 15 + 5 20

Yea, I thought this was going to be a suggestion for like...getting 10 one time, 20 another, 30, and maybe the occasional 50 or 100.

Anyhow, my only objection to this, aside from the cluttered inventory issue is that is really better if people would just use the wizard exchange, and then cash out larger token denominations to sell. Maybe if the wizard had a link to this feature to encourage its use?

I suppose the exchange page could also use some upgrading. Like being able to say you want 250pt tokens x4 instead of having to complete the transaction 4 separate times. I feel like we used to have that ability before the currency system got upgraded.

Yes to both of these. I hadn't looked at the exchange system in a while because I've been hoarding tokens, but it could definitely use some work.

For one thing, cashing in tokens and taking them out are entirely separate. If you want to convert your 20 point tokens to 100 point tokens, having a link between the two pages would make it easier. (And maybe encourage that sort of thing like mentioned, so the OP's suggestion wouldn't be necessary).

It would also be pretty nifty if you could take out multiple types in one go when taking tokens out of the vault. Like have a vertical list of the token values with an input box next to each where you can tell it how many of that type you want. (For example, you could cash out two 250s, two 100s, and four 10s in one transaction, for a total of 740 tokens.)

I think I just hijacked this thread and turned it into a general token suggestion thread. Oops :x

Oh hell no! I wouldn't suggest THAT kind of variation for rewards. That would suck. xD

The thought of flooding inventories is why I didn't suggest anything like getting four 5 point tokens or, even worse, combinations using 1 pointers. Getting a pile of those would be a little annoying. >.<

Looks like they've evened out now, but yesterday 15 point tokens were selling for almost twice as much as the 20s. Hopefully now WSQ is over they won't drop like that again for a while. If not randomising it every time, then maybe just go back to getting a 15 and a 5 point token for each quest? The token prices were pretty good when we were getting those and doing 20-30 quests daily. Then have 20 points as a bonus for WSQ. OR keep the regular reward as it is, and change the WSQ bonus? At least that way WSQ won't mess with the prices so much.

A link to the exchange on the Wizard's page would be good. Didn't he have one before the revamp? I'd like to see that back. And it'd be great to have more control over which tokens you get when withdrawing from your banked currencies. I did think about exchanging mine to get better tokens for selling, but after seeing the page...

Haha! It's cool. Anything which could help sort out these token prices is great. :)

Or put items back into the wiz quests as a rare/occasional prize instead of a 20 token . Could be a holiday item of similar sp range as a 20 token .

A small chance of an item reward isn't a bad idea. He was giving out too many RSable items at one time, but maybe as a rare prize it wouldn't hurt? And if he gave out holiday items it could help a bit with the inflation of items requested by some of the other quests,

Come to think of it, Wizard doesn't have his own unique items yet. Is this something that's going to be added eventually? I'd like to see him get some special items to give out during WSQ.

wiz game prize items = getting them rarely and NOT getting a second helping of wiz tokens at all :/

So Wizard is WSQ again... Edited the first post. Bumping this up and looking for other ideas.

The problem isn't the type of tokens given out. It's that there is no use for them. When there was no vending limit there were people that bought tens of thousands of tokens at a time and spent all day vending them. Now there are people that buy them only because they are "cheap" and hold on to them. Given that there is already a huge surplus of tokens on the market it confuses me that Wizard quest is the weekend quest two weeks in a row....

To completely steal an idea from Neopets, why don't we get in a Wishing Well? Throw in your 1 / 5 / 100 / 1000 tokens to enter the draw for a prize. You can enter for friends like the Potion Lottery. Add an achievement and you have a sustainable token dump.

That, or bring back the Oracle Token Shop, revamped of course.

Elwood is still in business and stocks his shop daily. It would be nice to put him back on the map though

Some sort of wishing well feature sounds nice. And fixing up Elwood's shop would be great too. At least put him back on the map. A revamp can come later, if that has to wait, but surely he can be placed somewhere people can actually find him in the meantime? I bet he'd get used more often if he was back on the map.

Maybe reduce the time for the zappers? I know the original zapper is 4 hours. Not sure about v2. It doesn't say on the page. Perhaps these times could be halved. GA perk?

Why not just readjust the amount people can vend since the tokens were mainly used for vending?

It may be that the amount people can vend will be raised eventually, but the limits were needed in the first place because vending was bringing in too many items. A lot of RSable items were becoming worthless.

Adjusting those limits would help, but we need other ways to put tokens back in demand too.

I don't think the quests need changing. I agree with . Little use for tokens? They drop in price. ;c I'd love to see the oracle shop reopened. :3

The Token Shop getting restocked more frequently could help with this.

That'd be great. :) There must be some older TS items which could be released there again too.

This might be hoping for too much, but maybe we can get a small Aemis restock? That'd eat up some tokens.

Edit: HOLY CRAP! O_O Pfft! Looks like I missed an Aemis RS while posting this. Daaamn! xD

There we go!

Yeah I saw just after I posted. xD Man. I've been hoping for an Aemis RS for ages, and I miss the damn thing by suggesting it. xD