Seriously... Was there a reason you made us pay our way into Peka-Boo? This could be unfair to new users, and to people who might not be able to afford it. Did I really have to spend 1000 wizard tokens for a normal ticket, then spend 250 for a VIP ticket when I caught a restock? That is too expensive if you ask me. Edit: Or is it just... Subeta is desperate for money? o.o

Okay, okay, forget what I said if you don't agree with me. I can't believe I've started a discussion. Usually I think of something one way, but I change my mind after a while.

Objectively it seems unfair to pay for an event, but as for the theme, you'd have to buy a ticket to a festival?

I must have missed the part where they forced us to buy a VIP ticket.

Actually in real life you're paying to enter a con (SDCC, Wondercon etc..) so it's normal to pay virtual currency to enter a virtual con. As for VIP? No one asked us to pay real money for it. You could have grabbed a 250 csc with a virtual sP currency(which I did). Regular ticket? Do a couple of Wizard quest and you'll get 1k token fairly quickly.

Basing this on my own personal experience, super newbies don't really pay all that much attention to events when they first start. Seconding what the users above me have said as well, and adding that this event felt very much so like a way to vacuum currency out of longer-term users accounts.

The same discussion is still active in the B&C. A mod might decide it's more appropriate here. Peka-Boo

I think the hypothetical needs/wants of newbies are overemphasized in this case. Subeta isn't really retaining new players anyway, even without what people are saying is an "expensive" deterrent. The entry "fee" complaint just seems premature to me. Too much "could be" pondering and not enough "actually" stating imo.

If anything, I think the long awaited new loyalty perk system is pretty disappointing to people who continue to purchase from the site.

No one makes anyone do anything though. Users make individual choices based on their own circumstances. You didn't have to spend your currencies, you chose to spend tokens and CSC for things you wanted. Reasons for the price may be what said, that wizard tokens were deflated before Peka-Boo, and that Subeta can choose to sell for CSC just as users can choose to buy with it.

I'm not going to comment on the VIP tickets, but as for the basic ones... I think it's pretty fucked that Subeta chose do charge for them (or at least charge as much as they did). Newer users don't have the tokens for that, and while there were enough to sit there for users to gain tokens, and there was time before hand, that shouldn't be a necessity for an event. While some of us have enough to buy some (and I did buy an extra to donate), it, once more, should not be a necessity for an event.

I sorta regret not buying more just to dump into the DC, but I didn't know when there would be a new/re-release of an item I wanted and would miss because I bought tickets.

Oh, and as for "Subeta isn't really retaining new players anyway" ... I wonder why ? Could it be because they keep making things so much more annoyingly difficult for them ?

I think some of your points are really good but I was referring to Subeta not retaining new players outside of this event, during other ones or during "regular" play on the calendar.

I also agree with the others who are noting that events are basically sinks of some sort.

As a relatively newer user, I don't mind paying for the ticket. I do mind however, not being able to fully participate in certain aspects of the event merely because I haven't been around long enough to have stuff of value then being told by older user to "suck it up and deal".

I figured, and my comment on the matter still stands. Lately a lot more has become difficult for newer users just because us older ones are better off.

And there's no doubt this (and multiple other) "events" are for sinks. This one just sort of seems a bit much. 1k tokens (4-7 days of Wizard quests; or so) simply to participate Over 7m points to buy everything in the shop (by no means is this needed, but the prices are pretty high compared to other things... and VERY high compared to ordinary things; not to mention there's a ton of stuff)

Newer users miss out on the free stuff, such as the Battle of the Bands and the CW contest for not being able to join. If they can get in, they could only afford a few things (and probably none of the cash shop items). The Shrub is generally out of reach for them as well.

Had I joined right before, I would have left thinking it was too similar to Neo.

While I agree that the TS desperately needs more highly priced items as token sinks, I still wish the regular tickets had been either a free gift or had a symbolic token price + permanent stock. I've checked the TS several times right before the event started and a little after it started and there were no tickets for sale... (actually the price of them inflated considerably in user shops during that period, from around 700k to 4m)

One thing I never saw mentioned on the Peka-Boo topic on B&C is that... guys, most newbies won't even use the forums. The forums are still unwelcoming and intimidating for a brand new player who knows no one, not to mention they're utterly broken now :/ Plus, even if you see newbies who DO use the forums, how many people make a topic to complain something is expensive? It just feels too much like begging/whining :( If it was me and I couldn't spare the currency - because super newbies start off with like 10k sP and can't really spare anything - I would just suck it up and move on... I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to make others feel compelled to give me things :c (and one needs to be around for a while before taking out the pitchforks)

Now let's forget the newbies and the super newbies, let's think of the casual players. Let's think of the casual players who don't speak English! I know of people like this; they still try to enjoy the site every now and then, but they're perma broken. For them even a single piece of Subq is expensive. Wouldn't it be nicer to maybe catch those people and try to make them more active during a site event? The way it stands, they couldn't even see what was going on...

1000 tokens is cheap for an established user, but not everyone is as invested in this site as we are. If they can only sink 100k, it's better that than nothing? As I see it, events are a great opportunity to capture casual players and newbies' interest, and the regular tickets' sales just didn't help it much :/

Let's not get started about the shrub and how inaccessible it was for people who aren't long term users with valuable items to trade. x_x

[edit] I don't think this is comparable to the Omen Islands and the Blue Building, because those are permanent features that one could turn into a goal.

Also: As stated above, I don't think it was too great to have a bigger currency sink before a person could see the smallest sinks (wearables, food)... it does create a bottleneck right there.

I'm agreeing with while I don't think it's unreasonable to pay for the tickets, I wouldn't have wanted to be in a newbie's shoes with those prices. As for day-to-day Subeta... well I've said it once, I'll say it again if I wasn't already established I'd have left by now, I'm only here for a small number of reasons, one of which is: be a stubborn arse and complete your damn mission. I grabbed a ticket because I had no other reason to hold onto those tokens and it's chump change for me, I didn't enjoy or have any urge to participate in the event, it was just another bland access to food and gallery fodder for me, made extra annoying by wait times. I can't imagine how many newbies are put off by the site these days tbqh.

1000 pt token is currently a bit over a mil. You can make a mil in a day if you actually try. IT IS NOT THAT HARD! 250 CSC is currently ~9 mil. You can make that in 9 days if you work at it.

I don't really understand all the complaining. You aren't forced to participate. sP is SO easy to make on this site. I don't think things should be just handed to you.

As a longterm user/someone who's sunk in a lot of time/money/effort into this site-- BotB hasn't been financially draining. The VIP ticket was just a matter of being online at the right time (see: always) and wasn't that costly, the wishing shrub has been a fun way to pass on older inflated/pricey items I don't need in exchange for newer ones, pretty food, books, and then a bunch of annoying things I don't care about (group avatar contests, a game that gives me anxiety after about 35 points, and a slew of wearables).

From a newer players standpoint, or a wearable person's standpoint, or an achievement hunters standpoint, I think I'd rank BotB as one of subeta's top 3 worst events ever; I'm enjoying this less than I did the Pandemic that was essentially Skitters and Fantine: The Play Along Soap Opera No One Cares About or Wants to See. Which is saying a lot, because wow that two year lovey dovey kissy fest actually made me start to hate zombies irl.

This event was mega hyped, hasn't been that interesting, has a ton of stuff that costs a fair amount of sP (getting 2-3 copies of all the food cost me more than a few million alone), required sp/csc to take part in, gave out prizes for a CW contest most people are unable to enter (because not everyone can draw, and not everyone can pay someone else to draw, and/or doesn't have the time to draw) and turned out more csc items... battle of the bands was a wearable contest, the process of prizes sounds like a vast majority of users are going to be left in the dark trying to buy uber prizes off the winning band (and people thought gods were hard to obtain, geeze), the litter found on about 10 pages earns us a grand 1 point.. very expensive achievements... I'm sure I could go on if I tried.

It's been a mess, and I can honestly say I'm participating because of books and I'll be glad when it's over.

The only positive thing I have to say is I got some new things from the wishing shrub, I'm very proud of subeta for not crashing or having little to no lag even with almost 1,700 users online, and that everytime I see poor posting everywhere about this event I feel bad for how much I'm not enjoying this because it's clear she's trying and really wants people to enjoy this but y'know.. no matter how nice a Dentist is, a tooth extraction is never an enjoyable experience.

Lol vacuum currency....I thought 1000 was nothing, but I have over 200k in tokens :P

I don't think it's unreasonable at all to pay for a ticket..it's not like it's real money (for the regular one anyways)

ur right. this event has been catered to people who were willing to pay the price. those who are poor or are newbies that have a hard time to get the tickets or even the items, most likely cannot participate at all during this event. the ticket price was expensive. i was not expecting it to be 1000 tokens. it really did cut down who can participate. i realize people said "oh it's not hard to make that much tokens or sp" but i remember when i was a newbie at this site. i was completely confused about everything. didn't know how to make money. not everyone will go to the forum to ask other users for help. it would have been nice for everyone to be included in this event, not just for who can pay to get in. i hope future site events will not be like this. :/

I really don't think the cost was that bad. Like others have said, the tokens take either a few days, or around 1m to earn (which you can earn easily in one day). Even if you're new and not so good at making sP, you still should have been able to get into the event. There are still tickets in the TS now, and the event ends tonight. Not to mention there were several people handing out tickets for free to newbies. It was totally manageable.

I think if anything it shows how many new people are willing to stay if they save up for a ticket. You know..we have a help forum don't we? They can ask how to earn points there. I don't think posting there is very hard.

For the vip tickets. The site needs money. Csc is money. If there wasn't any csc in events or a few other places the site would not exist. You would all not be posting on here. You would all be at other pet sites. If no one paid csc for stuff than the site would not exist. - How many times does this have be said?

I'm just very glad subeta's points and how to earn them is not as messed up as gaia's.