I frequent the SB a lot, and there are a lot of users who don't know how to use sCode. And it becomes monotonous and sometimes frustrating to tell users how to use it (especially when they continue to make mistakes). I know that there is a link in the Rules about sCode, but I think if there was a link to Keith's post about sCode underneath the SB that just says "sCode" could be very helpful.

This would be good, and it could cut down on the unintentional rule breaking/clogged SB And, of course, save people some time.

And while we're at it, I don't know if IMG tags are supported in there but I understand pictures in image tags aren't allowed, right? There should be a note about that too on the linked scode page (even though there's already a rules button.)

There's already a direct link to the Shoutbox rules at the bottom of Shoutbox (which does nothing imo) so I don't support more babying for the people who repeatedly break rules. I understand your frustration with these people but a verbal or an official warning from a moderator will be a much more effective deterrent for the users who continuously make "mistakes" regardless of their intentions. The sCode page is also already linked in the SB rules.

"I know that there is a link in the Rules about sCode". That's not the point. The point is that a DIRECT link to the sCode post would be helpful. I'm not talking about breaking rules here.

While I'm usually not one to support coddling or babying groups of individuals that should be adult enough to read rules and follow them-- I feel like if subeta were grades K-12... the shoutbox would be Pre-K, and therefore is basically an exception.

.. a vulgar, hatefilled, Pre-K where apparently users like to make statements about murdering other users because they're weeaboos. But, a pre-K all the same.

Anyways, all things considering I don't think the collective shoutbox user would gain anything from a direct link. The link could be a flashing neon sign, and they'd probably ignore it to be spiteful. And those who didn't ignore it, would either adblock it or make a board complaining about how obnoxious it is.

What I do think should be done, is leashes and muzzles. Y'know. Urls = automatically removed from every single post in the SB that isn't a UA+. If they had nothing else in their remark, then give them an error page and a link to the rules. Image tags should be disabled, and therefore would leave their post with a url that would therefore be removed from their post. So if they want to post their links, they'd have to figure that out.

I also feel like all text-altering should be disabled as well. Y'know, bold, italic, underline. Because I'm sure the collective shoutbox users aren't mature enough to not do something even though they're told not too. If anything, that probably just encourages it.

[Quote=andrea]What I do think should be done, is leashes and muzzles. Y'know. Urls = automatically removed from every single post in the SB that isn't a UA+. If they had nothing else in their remark, then give them an error page and a link to the rules. Image tags should be disabled, and therefore would leave their post with a url that would therefore be removed from their post. So if they want to post their links, they'd have to figure that out. [/quote] Can this be a thing? Please?

Okay did something happen recently? Because I came back on after a day or two of hiatus and saw the SB was closed. Sure I see drama in there sometimes but not something that would elicit that kind of a response.

How about we stick to agreeing or disagreeing with the suggestion rather than dragging out an incident to make your point? "Leashes and muzzles" comments are incredibly far from a display of maturity, if you ask me. If you don't like the suggestion, you can state why like a mature adult instead of taking digs. As a user who has been around as long as you've been, I'm sure you're aware of the report function and should make use of it if you find something distasteful.

I get where you're coming from with the suggestion, and I like it, but I also see the other side of it where it might be a little unnecessary as sCode is in the rules.

This is true, I've been on subeta almost 9 years now. And y'know... the shoutbox has not changed at all in these past years.

It is STILL the center of constant rule breaking/skirting and users who act like everyone who isn't them is just a prude who can't take a "joke". Why do you think staff constantly claim they want to shut it down? I'm also very aware of where the report button is located, but thank you for your concern about that.

The fact of the matter is the SB always has, and always will be the central hub of rule breaking and vulgar remarks because it's just too hard for staff to keep an eye on 24/7 and it's human nature to push. Some people just push too hard and require so much attention they can't control themselves. Instead if shoving rules in someone's face, who has easy access to it if they really cared, I really don't see how disabling un-sCoded urls/images/font changes is a bad move. If you cut the temptation and people can't do it, and they won't get petty warnings for it and they'll have no choice but to use sCode.

If you so bothered by the conduct of the shoutbox then don't use it. Plain and simple. I see plenty of rule breaking and poor attitudes on the forums too. There are always going to be users that break rules. It's unfortunate, but thinking that everything is going to be hunky dory 24/7 is pointless with nearly 2K users online daily. Personalities are bound to clash in such a highly social environment, and some people are going to be jerks about rules. We've already established that I agree with your point of not adding the sCode link, and I agree with the disabling of out of sCode functions (which mind you I have never seen altered letters and urls working outside of sCode since the most recent revamp) but I don't agree with tossing everyone into a category and assuming everything about the shoutbox is bad, or with jumping on the opportunity to insult it/it's users for the actions of one user in a topic that literally does not call for it. Especially considering you don't frequent it.

I think the SB is honestly the first place newbies can post, so I'm all for adding a link right to the sCode list on the SB. Yes, its in the rules, but how many people remember all codes right away? I know I sure didn't, and for some of them I still have to go look it up.

As far as the bickering in here goes, I think its best taken to comments. It doesn't belong here, and frankly, I would say that it certainly looks like veiled harassment (or, in this case, not-so-veiled harassment) from where I'm sitting. :/

You're absolutely right. xo

And sCode Only is a Shoutbox rule. This is about breaking rules, and there's little point in someone using a direct sCode link but ignoring or not knowing other rules.

It would be great if the links off the interact -> Forums menu like the sCode reference stopped going down though. 😅

Actually, SB was closed due to the achievement crap, not "people caused a timeout."

And I fail to see how its about breaking rules. Its more about people not knowing how to use sCode, which is why other people have to explain HOW to do it. :/

idk, maybe newbies just shouldn't be allowed in the SB? Let them get SO bored with the site that they leave right away. Sounds good to me.

Off-topic: Sorry, I didn't know; I'll look in the Admin Posts. That is what it's closed for in all other cases, no?

You said yourself that bickering belongs in comments so that's fine if you want to continue with the tone of "idk, maybe newbies just shouldn't be allowed in the SB? Let them get SO bored with the site that they leave right away. Sounds good to me."

None of this is personal so I apologize if you or anyone else takes it that way.

The last several times the SB has closed have not been because of drama, but because of site issues. If there are problems in the shoutbox, the person causing the disruption is banned. That is how they deal with the drama, not by closing the SB.

On that note, I do support some sort of information for newbies to sCode. I know when I first joined it took me a hell of a long time to figure out how to do a lot of the sCode things or even where the sCode was.

Not really, no. If its one user, they get banned (either from the site or the SB itself for a while). If its a group pushing the matter after an admin speaks, then they may close it, but that was not the case for today. There have been some pretty big issues with the site today thanks to the achievement system.

As far as what I said about newbies, it is true that many of them come to the SB first since they CAN'T post in the forums. I feel that instead of making them click "Rules!" anytime they need a code, why not just link the code itself? Otherwise, its usually honest mistakes (aka: Human error, typos) that cause non-sCode links, which I don't feel warrants a warning over, as you can USUALLY tell the two apart.

When I first joined the SB was the VERY first place I posted. It seems (from my experience and from seeing other new people) to be a place where most newbies go to learn the site too. I was taught sCode IN the SB at the time, because the reference page was still down due to the forum re-vamp. I fully support the link because it really would be helpful. Even though I couldn't use that page when I first joined, it is a page to go in through the rules everytime I want a code, since I still don't know them all by heart.

The link would totally be helpful. I still haven't memorized sCode, so it's annoying to have to go back and find that page every time. x.x