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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

NoirRaven, if you hate the name, just say it sucks. Hell, I hate the name. I think it sucks. Why do you have to attack and nitpick everything? You do a piss-poor job, too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

While the sound of "rreign" is allright with me, I'm quite unhappy with the lowercase I'm a language teacher and the way things are called is quite important to me

I just keep hoping that the other pets won't be affected too - if my pets became just a magnus and a legeica... I'd cry. ;_;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

what, just rreign? It should be at least rrreign. If you're gonna go guttural, go all the way.

blerrrg

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree Dragon needed a name change, but I'm not crazy about rreign. The lowercase is visually unappealing to me and the name itself isn't as creative as the other pet names on Subeta. A change for the sake of change isn't necessarily progress.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

yrw27eve - I never said you were, and I never considered it.

But I was simply giving you a simple theory of what NoirRaven possibly meant in her comment, and yea sure so it wasn't the best example of logic...but who really cares, what's said is said and those who get it get it, and for those who don't then they can feel free to express themselves how ever they please...there's no one to stop them.

We all have our ways of living, our thoughts opinions etc. etc. and so be it...that's life!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Alien_Pikachu---I'm not trying to start a fight with NoirRaven or read her comments any particular way. I'm just saying that I found/still find that particular logic/example absolutely preposterous. She could have came up with something better, I'm sure.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

yrw27eve - I think you might have taken that bit the wrong way...I'm not going to bother typing up a whole 'nother comment since my fingers are seriously getting tired of this...

But I think she's just making a stand-up not really trying to start a fight...

But of course everyone will have their disagreements all the time, and some like to speak out about it and that's okay, we can't help it if that's someone's way of expressing themselves and possibly making themselves feel that bit better...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

LOL. This coming from the user who admitted to complaining because she figured it was what Keith expected her to do.

I'm not saying don't give us your feedback or ''stand up to us''. You're welcome to voice your dislike for the name. Just don't go spouting off ''facts'' like we've allowed users to have say in name changes before when we have not.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Bagheera23608 - I think your over exaggerating maybe a bit...or probably just taking NoirRaven's comment the wrong way.

She was simply proving and defining her point not talking about it like it was the end of the world...if she was it would probably just be a comment that has one single line of words being said over and over again...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By NoirRaven:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Using that logic, all humans on the site should be called something else... How about Carbons or something stupid like that? In fact, using the same logic, humans shouldn't be a part of the site at all since Subeta, isn't a second Earth and there for, has no humans what so ever. Oh sure, the wizard LOOKS like a human but for all we know, he has a tail under that robe.DX

LOL. Using that logic then, perhaps you might need to get off Subeta, because you don't exist! That's a horrid example.

While I agree/see the points on the capitalization issue, it's not that huge of a fucking issue. I mean honestly? It's JUST capitalization, certainly not the end of our Subetan world as we know it. -eyeroll-

I know people can complain/whine/bitch/moan about it all, but...in the end, it's going to stay the same. You might as well just take it in stride, or just post saying "I don't like it" and MOVE ON to something else. I mean, the continuous fighting over it is getting you absolutely nowhere.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Bagheera23608: Perhaps I should've stated it another way... "The staff can not make a change, on a beloved species like this, without being asked/demanded for an explanation." Is that better?

I'm not jumping up and down over this you know. I'm just sick of the name changes. As I said; To me, Subeta is trying to be unique like everyone else and I find it pathetic. The name was fine. Unoriginal? Maybe but what else do you expect to call a huge, flying reptilian that can breath fire, acid or ice? Rreign? :/ Now we're original but it doesn't suit the beast.

Why thank you Bagheera23608. I don't mind receiving random compliments at any given moment... who would? XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Overall I must agree with NoirRaven as well...

And also I think we should all get a say on exactly what pets will be renamed to, for example you could possibly have a larger poll with a few possible names...and not just one.

I mean 'rreign' doesn't seem very...original like, not that I hate it that much or anything but it just looks like someone held the 'r' key down too long and made an error in spelling 'reign'...

I'm sure that there are people who like this name, but there are still many people who like to keep it simple and original, maybe next time you could only change the name slightly?..For example you could change Dragon to something like...Drageon or something (Not actually trying to think of a decent name since I'm not in the mood at the moment ).

I'm sure at least a few people would have to agree with me, if not then my opinion still stands on it's own.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Tammy, did you really have to whine and complain about there being complainers?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

NoirRaven - Sure they can "make a change like this and not be expected to explain why you're doing it." I hate to point out the obvy but this is a FREE site, you pay money ONLY if you want to. It is their site, not ours and they can do whatever they darn well please. We may not like it and if we don't we can leave. Or complain even. Which is more than you can do at most sites. But if you complain about something this minor, expect to be called on it. And there have been no polls on species name changes that I am aware of either.

But please think about this. You are getting your knickers in a twist over a simple little thing that is not going to end the world. I am sure there are bigger things in your life that you could direct that energy into and make a real difference.

I've always liked your name, btw. But I'm sure that's not what you want to hear right now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also just adding another thing... I love this site, I really do, and I love the staff. I love how they're actually part of the community. But I'm starting to notice the tones they use to speak to users, and I'm horridly unimpressed with it... I'm disappointed, actually.

Also I agree with NoirRaven - the name "rreign" is extremely unfitting to the dragon.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I get it if people don't like the name change, and they already own the pet or something, but are we seriously whining about capitalization now? sigh I guess there really is nothing that will not be complained about.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wolfmyth: Just because you're fine with it, doesn't mean those that aren't fine, shouldn't speak out and you shouldn't be telling us to "take a pill."

Tatsunotoshi: "People do have a right to complain, but, as I've read through all the comments, most users sound like they're whining. They keep repeating the same thing over and over again- I'm not sure everyone reads other people's comments because, instead of adding to the conversations, they end up sounding like a broken record."

I'm sorry but once my scroll bar ends up about 2cm long, I don't take the time to read all the text. Also, no one is forcing you to read every response and just because we happen to repeat ourselves, doesn't mean that our opinions are any less valid. As for any perceived "whining." That's up to the user. I for one, don't see much of that nor am I whining. I'm angry and opposed, no question but I don't think anything I've said could be perceived as whining.

"I think that's what's annoying many users and the staff. The staff gave the dragon a new name because they wanted their species to have a name; for example, the Kumos isn't named "Dog", the tigrean "Tiger", the Irion "Gryphon", the Antlephore "Deer". I think renaming the Dragon does make sense."

Using that logic, all humans on the site should be called something else... How about Carbons or something stupid like that? In fact, using the same logic, humans shouldn't be a part of the site at all since Subeta, isn't a second Earth and there for, has no humans what so ever. Oh sure, the wizard LOOKS like a human but for all we know, he has a tail under that robe.DX

Just because most pet species have their own "special" names, doesn't mean all pets need to be renamed something ridiculous. Rreign is not only a bad misspell but it doesn't suit the animal at all.

Luxe: Oh and I suppose a misspelling of Reign is more original? A renaming of the non-species related merch would have been better than renaming a well known species. I mean, wasn't the Dragon revamped to be more Dragon like? :/ What's the point of naming it something different?

A lot of people know better than to stand up to the staff for you guys have a rather... nasty reputation. Not only that but maybe they just don't see the point. After all, unless 65-70% of users say "Change it back" you won't and they know they are far outweighed by those who simply... agree with whatever the staff decides.

I for one, don't care about the odds. If I don't like something, I will speak out. I don't the name, I don't see why it should have been renamed and if it absolutely HAD to change, WHY RREIGN? Don't have enough pets in the R category?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm wondering if this growl before the "rain" pronunciation is like that rolling are sound. Because if so, I'll be sad because I won't be able to pronounce it. I can't make a rolling are sound.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I haven't, in any context, said that pet profiles are absolutely going to change. As I admitted, item titles have each word capitalized, and in the case of your pet profiles NAMEHERE the Arid Rreign is somewhat of a complete title for your pet.

As long as the capitalization in pet profiles doesn't change, I don't mind it changing elsewhere in the site, though I personally feel the names look better capitalized. Especially "rreign/Rreign" . . .

I do like the sound of the new name, though. Spelling-wise it is gonna take a bit for my brain to get used to. But it is nice to have a less generic name for them.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First, a point of agreement: dragon was boring and generic, and I'm glad that Subeta is trying to be more creative by giving it a different name.

So, I'm not really opposed to the change--it's just that it seems to me that the sound and look of the word "rreign" is a little un-Subetan, if that makes any sense. Like, I don't think we had any trouble pronouncing other new species names before, so this one is a bit odd (at least as far as I can think of right now, but I could be wrong). If Subeta was known for coming up with names with unusual pronunciations, this would probably go over more smoothly since it wouldn't be as much of a surprise/shock.

Also, the feeling I tend to get from Subeta is that Subeta puts out something new, the users comment on it, and the staff take it into account. Users typically don't demand something to be changed their way; they just give feedback on it. We're not saying that admins CAN'T make a change; we're just commenting to say that we may not particularly like it. If the staff deems it necessary, they can make a poll if they so wish.

Finally, I'm sure that if the staff were to put out a notice saying that name changes and whatnot were to make a plot or something easier down the line, everybody would be much more tolerant of it. If anything makes the site easier in any way, I'm all for it. However, it doesn't seem like changing the pet name makes the site any easier to run or anything, so people feel that they have more freedom to express their emotions more? I think I'm trying to say something like that. Might have failed, but at least I tried.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh and I am not bothered if its in lower case. Forgot to add that in my last post.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The only thing that bothers me is that "rolling" the Rs makes it almost sound like Lain, if we're talking Japanese, for example, where R and L are the same sound. The name just seems kinda obnoxious and annoying and trying to be "lol so cool" to me but hey, whatever. I'll still probably call it a Dragon by habit.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not to get in the middle of a discussion but I think the lower case may look "off" because if you look at any of the items sold in the main shops they all begin with capitals. For example Green Tank Top. I don't mind the name change, kinda reminds me of that movie Reign of Fire. I don't roll the R's but sound them out like the R sound in Growl - without the hard G sound."

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

lol.

the double r's look rreally rridiculous!

but anything is better than Dragon i suppose.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Really, NoirRaven? We've polled species name changes before? Please, enlighten me. I don't see any polls in the poll center from any such event. Otter, chelon, sage, aerie... nope, no polls.

Dragon was not fine. We didn't change it because any one person owned the term; it was changed because it was generic and boring and unoriginal. It was changed for the same reason that otter and turdle were changed. Not to mention there were other items called ''dragon'' on site that had absolutely no relation to the pet species. How do you figure that was fine?

Take a look at how many people are saying they wished it was still called dragon. While some people dislike the new name, hardly anyone is disputing that it needed to change.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We say the same things as others because we hold the same opinion and want the staff to know that another has that opinion, and it just sounds better than "What that person said" over and over. There isn't too much of a better way to put it; Some people give in-depth critiques, but you can only critique it in so many ways. To me, whining is "OH MY GOD! WHAT THE HELL! CHAAANNGEEE ITTT BAACK! WHAT THE HELL! WAAAH", so my personal opinion is that the dislikers here are, for the most part, quite calm and expressing themselves fine.

To us (well, me, at least), it sounds like the people who tell us to "take a chill pill" are just trying to sound tough because they share the same opinion as the staff and because other people are saying it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't mind it much ._. I don't see what the big deal is either. I'm making a nightmare rreign soon and love how it sounds together xD

And for the capitalization thing, I don't mind it either. I'll deal with it, it doesn't bother me xD As long as I can read it and it's not all xgmkh ZSAXASJ XCH ks xkv I'm fine ;D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't think rreign is cool, silly, awesome, or strange. It just is. I give it little importance because I care much more what my pet looks like than the specie's name. All my pets have their own proper names, so I don't really care.

People do have a right to complain, but, as I've read through all the comments, most users sound like they're whining. They keep repeating the same thing over and over again- I'm not sure everyone reads other people's comments because, instead of adding to the conversations, they end up sounding like a broken record.

I think that's what's annoying many users and the staff. The staff gave the dragon a new name because they wanted their species to have a name; for example, the Kumos isn't named "Dog", the tigrean "Tiger", the Irion "Gryphon", the Antlephore "Deer". I think renaming the Dragon does make sense.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't like the name much but I'll get used to it, its better than just dragon

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Good golly. People take a chill pill..if you look at 'adopt a pet' you will see that it is Rreign. The first little is capatilized and all that jazz. So the name was changed...big deal, I think it has more character now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

After reading many of the controversial posts on the capitalization, I have one question? Are the species names considered their proper names? If they are the proper names, then, in English, it is grammatically correct to capitalize them.

Quoted from Wikipedia: Proper nouns (also called proper names) are nouns representing unique entities (such as London, Universe or John), as distinguished from common nouns which describe a class of entities (such as city, planet or person).

In English and most other languages that use the Latin alphabet, proper nouns are usually capitalized.

I just felt the need to point that out. If the species names are not the proper names then they shouldn't be capitalized. If they are, then it is grammatically correct to capitalize them, although the staff still has the choice not to do so.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Luxe: Your examples are preposterous. We do not expect to be involved in every decision, however. We do expect to be let in on Species changes. Especially since you've had no problems letting us in on such things before.

Also, you guys can not make a change like this and not be expected to explain why you're doing it. Dragon was FINE! No one owns the term Dragon and ya know, the more Subeta tries to "set itself apart from other websites" the more it looks pathetic. Like a teenager trying to be "unique like everyone else".

Just stop it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

lol anyone who thinks taking the word reign and misspelling it is a 'cool' and 'original' name for a species is obviously very limited in imagination.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Do you really think this would be fun or feel like a game if we polled every single decision we made?

You forgot the "Hey there Subeta! When we go to the bathroom, shall we poops or pee?" (this poll will last as long as we can hold it in.)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I gotta agree with MissXami, here. Every time I have seen someone mention that they don't like something on Subeta, they get mocked and ridiculed mercilessly by other commenters. That certainly doesn't make ME want to speak up around here very often.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Like I've already said, it's a sad sad day when staff can't make a decision without our hands being checked or the user base demands explanations without trusting our abilities.

What if there was some plot, story, or otherwise in which this name would later be relevant? Where is the trust in staff and the element of surprise? Do you really think this would be fun or feel like a game if we polled every single decision we made?

''Hello, Subeta! There is a poll for the brand new nightmare clawsion! Please vote and let us know if you think it is ready to be released. (This poll will be open for 10 days.)''

''Hi there, everyone! The Bragging and Complaining forum has gotten a bit too cluttered for our tastes, but what do you think? Should we split it into two forums? (This poll will be open for 2 weeks.)''

''Hello, Subeta! We would like to hire xUser as an artist and yUser as a new user Admin. What do you think?''

''We're writing a new story about an upcoming holiday. Do you like it? What should we change?''

Where does it stop? Why hire people to handle these duties if we need to ask permission to basically do our job all the time?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">My question is, why are the admins so bent on actually changing this that you have to ignore so many upset people? What is so significant about it?

I doubt everyone is upset over this change. In three weeks, most users will have forgot about it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Posting in an epic thread.

I love how this pet was already one of the most controversial, and not this has added onto it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh jeeze, people, stop having a seizure every time something changes and you are not asked your opinion. The site is free and we don't own the rreigns- the staff can rename all the pet species if they want.

Take a break from all this "put it in a poll" nonsense, not everything in this world is democratic, cause, let's face it- sometimes decisions can be taken without asking for everyone's opinion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Love the name change. Hate the capitalization change. Purely for aesthetic reasons; capitalizing pet species looks much cleaner.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Vocal minority? How do you know it's a minority? It might be a good amount of people. There's a lot more people who kiss up than people who offer their critiques and criticism. Some people worry that talking against something might get them in trouble (it really wont. subeta staff is fair not to warn people for voicing their opinion as long as the person isn't being a douche). So the 'minority' might be speaking for many many other people who feel uneasy about speaking up.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Y'know, at least us who try to let the admins know that we disapprove of a change (most people do it in a kind matter, too!) don't make fun of those who don't. We all have lives too, and at least we're more considerate than you.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh boo hoo... My pet's species starts with a double letter and isn't capitalized. I shall go jump off a bridge now. *drips with sarcasm. You just can't change ANYTHING here without people flipping out. Plus, if you actually go and look, Rreign is capitalized on the pet's page. It isn't capitalized in this announcement because it would be the same as saying Humans instead of humans. It's not supposed to be capitalized, it's not a proper noun. That said, the name is cool. It's as if the rreign's came up with the name for themselves. Grr..I'm not just a dragon, I'm a rreign!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I am quite sure staff knew there would be a vocal minority that would have a hissy fit over this. I understand complaining, heck, I voice my opinion when I disagree with something. But I try to act like an adult and realize not everything in the world is going to go my way and that there are so much more important things in the REAL world to get my panties in a twist about. Breathe folks. It is one word and it is so much better than the generic dragon. If the dragons wanted to be called rreigns, that is their perogative!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">It's silly to be upset that the admin is ignoring upset users?

No it's silly that people are this bothered about how a fictional animal's name is presented on a game site.

How many of you are writers? Specifically of the fiction and fantasy genre Oh hell with it. Let's make this simpler. How many of you just read fantasy stories? Did you all write letters to the authors who took creative liberties with the spelling and capitalization of words in their stories?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's silly to be upset that the admin is ignoring upset users?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow at some of the comments............ lol

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What a pretty name! Much better than Dragon, I suppose.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">seems sort of hypocritical coming from a site that puts a filter on chat speak. : /

That filter was taken down awhile ago. If you bother to read the comments below, you can plainly see that.

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">y question is, why are the admins so bent on actually changing this that you have to ignore so many upset people?

I don't know about the admin, but I think this is something perfectly silly to be so upset over.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My question is, why are the admins so bent on actually changing this that you have to ignore so many upset people? What is so significant about it?

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In English and most other languages that use the Latin alphabet, proper nouns are usually capitalized.

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