There is a new poll!

Note: Keep in mind that we are looking for constructive criticism. Failing to do that, will result in a warning.
December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Akele
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Oh... I just love the newer version. If anything would need to be changed, it'd be the horn and the tail, which I do believe others have talked about. On a personal preference, I will miss the small spots on it's hindquarters, but you really did a nice job with this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by rawnie
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'Tis gorgeous. 8D I vote new completely. I've always thought the demi needed a revamp. Buuuuut. Please do not touch Reborn or DM.... or I'll be sad. DX

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by VINYL
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I Prefer the New One Because:

The Style of the Art Makes It Look More Realistic, and the Lines Aren't So Thick like the Older One. The Old One Has Bulgy Lines Which Make It's Shape Look Wierd. The Lines Are Round and Smooth and That Makes The Fur Look Soft Instead of All Hard and Pointy. The Paws Are Now Skinny and I Really Like How It Looks.

Shading and Coloring is Very Clean,
Nothing Else...

The Demi Now Looks More Feminine,
but I Have No Problem With That.

That's About It,
I'm Not All That Good At Crits,
but I Tried.

I'd Love To See A Revamp On The Feli if You Haven't,
'Kay?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by kyu
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Wow. o.o
The pose is basically the same, but the lines and coloring are much nicer. -voted for the new one-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Mythica_115
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I have owned a Demi for as long as I can remember.. for yeeeeears. And I have been waiting and waiting and wanting a revamp for sosososo long.. and Tsumnus totally did not disappoint me.

Totally voted for new. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

I voted for the new version.
I think it looks more professional. But the tail I think looks to be a bit out of proportion compared with the old version.. like.. it's a bit too low on the body.

To me, the hind leg of the new Demi looks like it is turned in and leaning on the side as in not flat on the ground.

The new one kinda looks more girly than the old one.
It doesn't look as cute as the old one but still it's a very nice job ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Kamil
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I'd like that more, Tategami. While there are lovely things about this one, I just think the current Demi is nice enough not to need a complete redo, such as this one.

Obviously I'm not their biggest fan, since I don't own any, but I've always thought they were a lovely species and I do think this loses some of that appeal.

NOT that this is a bad revamp - I just like them as they are more. =D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Julzyfox
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I love my reborn demi too but someone just said it isnt getting revamped x: soo....


I think it's the tail, and the lack of spots x:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Camilla
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I voted on the old one, because I feel that alot of the cuteness of the old one's been lost on the new one. I agree with Coronaviridae that it's the head that looks weird. And, I'm concerned about how the Reborn Demi would look if it -was- revamped, since the only reason I chose to get one was because of it's look (that I love).

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tinuvel
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Everyone, Keith said Reborn isn't getting revamped. o.O

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

It looks fantastic so far, im sure everything i have said has been said so far but i feel that more spots would look cute.
The dark shading around the eyes looks rather sharp compared to the old one where it was round and soft and im not sure about the hairs on the back and head i feel they look to thick and bushy.
also the left ear looks a little off like its not in the right place. i cant wait to see it finished its my second fave pet i may even adopt one

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by VelindraJayHedgehog
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If you keep anything on this, this first of many redraws of the newer Demi, please keep the head-fur. It reminds me, quite literally in fact, of the headspines on one of my personal fursona characters that represent myself. I am in love with the facial stripes too - something about them says everything to me

I'd LOVE to see what becomes of the Reborn and Dark Matter Demi's through these redraws =D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tinuvel
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Vampire, I hope all this doesn't scare you out of being an artist. ^^; You're a great artist, but you just didn't quite capture it with this. And yus, the Demi following is rather...critical. xD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

To be honest I think the new Demi is perfect, except for the tail, I don't know what it is about it but I don't really like it. Then again, it may have just been so well drawn that I made something up too... The tail just looks angular and unnatural, Otherwise, simply amazing.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Coronaviridae
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Also, you can tell that the Demi is quite well-loved by all the comments flowing in, neh? ;D I think you'll do a good job, Vampire.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Julzyfox
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I really like the new one

But dont change the reborn ones

and... I just have one thing to say... I think the tail is a bit long and should be a bit closer to the body x: But thats my opinion...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by AniVasion
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I don't have any any constructive critisism, I think it is beautiful!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Coronaviridae
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I voted for the new one, but...mrm. I'm thinking that the new one still needs to be worked on before it'll go through.

I agree that the horn looks completely off--it's not disturbing any of the hair/fur around it, so it seems to be two-dimensional; and worse, it's in the wrong position and at the wrong angle relative to the head to actually look like it's rooted in the bone of the Demi's skull. (I'd redline this to try and illustrate what I mean, but I'm not sure if that would be okay by the admins.)

I do like what you've done with the tail here (the current Demi design has the base of the tail far too thin in my mind), but I agree the combination of the tail in that position, with the hind paws splayed the way they are, is a little...off. Not quite to the degree Alpes thinks it is, I think, but the pose just doesn't seem right to me. I'd recommend bringing the visible hind leg in closer to the rest of the body, in the more compact stance that the current Demi art has--with less of the belly visible. --Ah, I've figured it out. The way it's presented right now, it looks as if the Demi is sitting on something rounded, so its near hind paw is curved down and around compared to its backside, but the forepaws and the tail appear to be resting on flat ground, so they don't tally. Definitely bring the hind leg in closer, and change the angle on it--and possibly bring the tail up off the ground as well.

You've also added some fluff at the Demi's "wrists", which I think may be a misinterpretation of the cobbiness in the current art--I don't think its feet are fluffy so much as it has very large paws, and the large paws/cobby limbs really appealed to me in the old art. Similarly, I agree that the limbs do look somewhat boneless now, though that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Other than the horn, the face looks quite good, IMO. However, I wish the ears were larger relative to the head--the current Demi art has ears nearly the size of its face/muzzle, and I actually think that's pretty cool and would like to see it conserved.

I'm not sure I like how the mane is subdivided in the proposed revision. There seem to be too many individual locks; I prefer the more feathery look of the current art. My recommendation would be to remove a lot of the little "locks" of fur up around its head, and smooth down the furring on the back somewhat. As it is now, with all the little tiny strands, it looks way too busy and not as stylized as I'd like.

Speaking of stylized, you've definitely gone the right direction in evening out the lineart. The old lineart is very ragged and improperly tapered in places, which tweaks with my sense of perspective. However, I also think the proposed new lineart is far too narrow, especially on the outside lines. It looks to be about a 1-point line in Photoshop; I'd recommend upping the internal lines to 2-point, and the external ones to at least 3 and possibly 4 to make the Demi actually pop off its background.

And coloration and markings...hmmm. The colors on the proposed revision look like desatured versions of the coloring on the older art. I say bring the saturation back up--bright colors are good, and increase the stylized look of the creature! As for the markings, they look pretty faithful to the current art--except they're way, way too small. Enlarge them, please! Since you're making the torso wider, make the back stripe proportionately wider, and make the spots bigger and more visible. And pull the hind-leg spotting out onto the Demi's haunch, rather than on its side above the thigh--you've obscured them in the current proposed art, and I don't like that.

Anyway! My two lyra. I do like the look of the new art, but it does need more polishing to get it up to something I'd like to see for my Demi.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Chubbeh
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I miss that lovely bold color it used to have... The tail seems maybe a bit stretched too far. Agreement with the chest/belly issue. Also, the mane looks a little off to me, like for some reason it's feathers instead of hair, also gives the apperance of being a solid mass, rather than being composed of individual strands. The hind leg also seems... maybe tucked too much inward, where the pose calls for it to be a headon view of the foot. On the whole, I do prefer the old one, but I do think this one can be brought up to par and/or redone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Nestly
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Nestly: Hmmmm. I love the attempted redraw. ^^ The lines are nice and smoother and I like the way the paws are drawn a lot more this time around. The lines may be a little thin though however, but I like it better then the thick ones used in the current design.

My first thought on suggestions was that the head is a tad small. I think it would look more appealing if it were a little larger, even though puportion wise, it may be accurate. o.o

The only other suggestion I'd make is that the horn seemed more suited pointed outward, and not strait up. x3 Otherwise, the lines and fur, and overall shading is very nice and clean. Though I DO have to vote for old, no offense. :B I just personaly like it more. x3 But I hope some helpful tips will help you make it even nicer!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Weeble
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It doesn't quite look "demi" if you know what I mean. Can't really place my finger on to why that is. But the art is great none the less.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tinuvel
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ChimaeraandDream, yeah. I'd like that better. I'd feel MUCH more secure about the whole thing. o.o

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

I really enjoy the new Demi. Yes the horn needs to be lowered a little but I like how they gave it more of a three dimensional look by making more of the stomach visible. I guess some may have mistaken that for it having a slight belly but I like how it looks. I do think that it needs to have the spots again and maybe not have the ones it does have to be so symmetrical but I believe the artist did a great job.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tsume
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I just wanted to make sure everyone knows. I AM taking notes.

This is not the final version. Even if this one wins there will be changes to it. I'm not about to leave you guys with something that isn't right. I see almost everything everyone has said so far.

I just want to remind everyone that I like /constructive/ critism. It goes "really" far with me. I LOVE it and WANT it. It helps me improve my art for this site to please you users. I thank you all for critiquing it.... it makes me happy like you wouldn't believe.

Now before a friend of mine chops my head off. I will stop reading them for the time being. xD Since it is my Birthday (as well as MythicFoxers! She is my b-day twin. ) though I will be back on Monday to shift through the rest of the comments past this point... to make sure i don't miss a critique. ;D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by DNA_558
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Don't worry, I won't be beating anyone (even though I'd like to swat a few of the people who didn't read the notice ).

What I am considering, is trying and having the current one relined/reshaded and tweaked slightly, and trying that instead of a complete redesign, if this doesn't go over well.

What do you think, would that be more workable?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Horn is bit too small, dots could be bit bigger, tail could be more puffy, but on back is TOO much fur (it could be on smaller amount and bit puffier, cause they remind me a bit... (I'm sorry) worms...), horn could be more curved diagonally (not horizontally), face is too chibi, maybe nose could be bigger.

I like new version, but he (or she, lol ) is too puffy for me so i voted for old one, sorry.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by emiliers
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o.o I didn't notice that until you mentioned it Kamil. Smart people amaze me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tinuvel
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HAHA, Kamil, you're right. Something I loved about the old one was how slender it looked, with small shoulders and chest. Also. The eyes. They are too...empty? Somehow the old expression seemed more calm, sweet. This one looks like it's saying "Orly? You think so?" which...bothers me. xD The eyes on the old ones...are much softer, more round, as far as the iris goes, and the shape overall was more almond, less comic-y. I would miss that expression dearly.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

I have to admit, I love this Demi much more than the old.
[No offense to the previous artist.] ^^;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Kamil
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I just noticed something . . . odd.

In an effort to keep the same chest shape/proportions as the old one, but with the hindquarters being not tucked in quite so closely, there's a huge disconnect now between where the chest and the stomach meet .

The stomach is on a level with the ankle, almost, but then it disappears behind the leg and the chest line, where one assumes it's attached, is much, much higher.

Much higher. =D

This gives the effect, once it's noticed, that the Demi is either pregnant or has a serious beer belly issue going on. xD

I hadn't noticed the cause before, but I also agree with those saying the lift to the eyebrows completely changes the pet's personality - it gives a more ironic, older appearance. Not that that's a bad thing, necessarily, but it is a thing.

And, yes! Dots! hoists tiny picket sign asking for the return of the dots

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by PaintedSavages
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OK, I pretty much agree with all the changes to the new one that have been mentioned, but perhaps I can add just a smidge more.

Re: Horn
It's placed too far back and needs some shading behind it in the "hair" to push it forward some. ANd actually pushing it forward some as well as afore mentioned would be good.

Re: Tail
Can you shade it more towards the center to the tip to show that its kinda wrapping around toward the viewer as the shading at the base of the tail was inclining to lead your eyes?

I also think that the demention given by the shading/shadows isn't deep enough and that kinda makes it a bit flat. And maybe the eyebrows not quite so high...kinda looks a little surprized.
The right ear is bothering me too, for some reason - like he has it cocked more forward then the left (facing) ear?

I like this one more than the old one, but those little things need to be fixed, IMO.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Hmm, ok, well i like how the body looks longer and the limbs look more proportioned to it.

I really liked how the Mane was like, i dunno i guess more...pointy? i think the new one looks a little to fluffy to me...

And i agree with others, the Horn needs to be worked on... ^.^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by angelembryo
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I instantly voted old. Sorry, Tsume. : I agree with all the crits offered so far - the lines are too thin, the colors are washed out, the legs look boneless and floppy (especially the hindfeet), the tail is flat and attached at an odd angle, the cheeks and chest look too round and over-floofed, the horn is too vertical and straight, and the mane is too... umm, fat? Stubby? More melty-plastic-y than hairy? Not sure how to explain it.

I'm also sad to see the ears so much smaller and the tail so perfectly even in width. The big chunky features on the old Demi, like the ears, feet, and widening tail, gave it so much character and a far more interesting sense of balance, but this revamp lacks that kind of dimension.

Also, I don't like the spots on the revamp's ears and tail. They're all exactly the same size and in straight lines; more random patterns and sizes, like on the old design, would make the whole pet look luch more lively. And where are the hip spots? I loved the hip spots.

I deeply apologize if this sounds more complaining than constructive, but I have adored the old Demi for nearly 2 years and this just doesn't compare in my eyes. The only issues I have with the old one are the thick lineart and the high setting of the tail base, but that's not nearly enough to keep it from being my favorite pet. I can understand why people say it could use a revamp - I just don't think THIS is the revamp it needs. And there are other pets need attention far more.

Terribly sorry this is so long. I'll shut up now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

it's really cute
The only thing I would change is the inside pink color on the ears to maybe either black or the same yellow color of it's mane.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

I love the fact that you have kept most of the same pose as the original Demi and if the newer Demi is chosen, I cannot wait to see what my reborn one will look like.

But I must agree with a few of the others on the horn issue. I think it should be worked on. Otherwise, I think the artist did a wonderful job =]

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by JennLee
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Oh, the DOTS. That's what's missing. Well, not missing. I can still see them, a little. But yes. The dots are important to me. Haha.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Yes tin!
the dots, i miss the dots too!
-totally overlooked that-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Yes tin!
the dots, i miss the dots too!
-totally overlooked that-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by PEACHYz
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First things first, I want to say that I like how it's still got the demi-pose, and nearly nothing has been changed besides what needed to be. :3 I think the demi needs a remake as much as some of the most outdated-looking ones, and this one is very much appreciated (on my part).
The only thing that I can see right now that... bugs me, for a lack of better words, is the mane. Now, looking back at the old demi, it's pretty much the same - I didn't notice it until the other day. I just think it would be nice if the remake's mane wasn't exactly like the old one's? But I don't blame the artist in any way whatsoever, 'cause I think it's nice of them to try and keep it as old-demi-like as possible, while still making it... new!
Either way, the mane just looks a whole lot like dreadlocks to me. I think, if it's possible, to change it to a more fur or hair look would suit it well. It'd go along nicely with the whole rest of the demi.
I hope thats considered constructive criticism. n__n; I tried my best.
Please bear with any typos/grammatical errors. I typed it all too fast to care. xD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by EvilRedDuckie
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As a DM Demi owner I'm wondering if it will be revamped or left alone. I personally adore how the DM Demi looks and don't want it changed.

As for the revamp of the Demi... I sat and looked at the two drawings side by side in the polls and the only part of the "new" Demi that I like are the ears. The new Demi looks more cat-like and I'm not a cat fan by any stretch of the imagination. The mane looks shaggy and unkempt, the horn looks glued on, and the tail looks like it belongs to another pet that's hiding behind the Demi. The shading on the new Demi is wonderful but the colors lack the warmth of the old Demi.

runs and hides so Tategami won't beat her

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

AraunasGirl, agreed. The demi looks better in a standing pose, rather than sitting. I dunno, I just think it fits.

Lemur, giving criticism isn't the same as attacking someone's artwork. If you hadn't noticed many people have said the artwork is good... they just suggested some changes. People are entitled to their own opinions.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Tinuvel
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Lemur, we're not attacking the artist. T_T Stop attacking Subetans who have just as much say as you do.

I disagree with the catlike notion. They reminded me of foxish doglike things - the only catlike aspect is the tail.

I have one more teeny little crit. I would miss my little spots, like the old one. I loved the little dots everyplace.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Alpes
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I get the odd impression the new one is pooping. Tail is oddly lifted and something just doesn't feel right about the way tail, feet and lower part of the body work together - no symmetry and no grace. Remember - a key to beauty is symmetry!

And I'm getting a totally different feel from this one - it looks similar enough but it's feels like a totally different pet - a whole different vibe and character come across. I think the lifted eyebrows change quite a bit.

And angle of the horn, and mane on the old one felt more natural.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Shadow
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I warned you I was long-winded, I hope this all goes through:
Construction nitpickies: The horn doesn’t seem to have shading behind it which is leaving the illusion of it floating in the middle of the head, maybe that’s why some folks have a beef with it’s “positioning”

The hair has been nicely updated, but it seems that it just freely hangs in space. You have no definition of the roots along the backside, which gives it a separate feel from its body.

The nose in perspective with the eyes is a teeny bit too small, I think maybe a three pixel expansion on each side will help round it out a bit.

You have the forepaws in a ¾ side position while the hind legs are only ¼ to ½ to the side which is making it look like the demi is off balance. Perhaps some line definition behind the second foreleg alluding to the second hind leg laying down may help counterbalance =3

The demi’s front looks a bit too clean, there needs to be a darker shading to define the fur floof in front.

The flat tail has been mentioned so I won’t bother with that =3

Otherwise, this is a much cleaner version of the demi that was a much-needed update. =3
~Kai

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by emiliers
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I wasn't preaching..... I was just stating my opinion..... Besides everyone is giving constructive criticism, no one is like "OMG, THE NEW DEMI IS SO BAD!!!" Everyone sees things differently so everyone sees different flaws.....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Rayen
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Personally, I love the shading and paws, I see nothing wrong with them. I just feel that the horn should be curved, they are in nature and the tail should be more like the old demi.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Amy_259
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Lemur, I haven't seen -one- person here that WASN'T being constructive. Here you are, trying to display yourself as someone enforcing the need of constructive criticism, and yet you are looking down upon any opinion that doesn't agree with yours. Perhaps you think everything about this drawing is perfect, but others do not.

Learn to respect other peoples' opinions even if they do not go in favor of your own. I am not trying to start anything or be rude here, but in all honesty, you are the only one bashing and making criticism that isn't constructive, to everyone but yourself. Please stop.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Please don't change the look of the demi. I fell in love the first time I saw it and I would be heart broken if it was to change.
The art on the "new" one is fine, but I don't want fine. I want the one that captured my heart.

I think my opinion should count for double, since I own 9 demi's.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Keith
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Treated like... what exactly?

She asked for these comments, so that she could improve on it. The site is about the users, and the Demi is a popular pet.

She wanted the critiques, and so that's why the option to comment on this news post was enabled.

You aren't standing up for anyone. And you're inching closer to another warning.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by Deleted User

Ha. xD
I have no regrets. I'll stick up for what I believe is right.
She doesn't deserve to be treated like that.

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