Introducing Project Kumos!

Hello everyone! January 2024 is coming up, another year for the world and Subeta. From those of you who have been here from the beginning to those who joined further along our evolution, you've seen a lot of change and progress. So the announcement of a new site framework may bring up a lot of conflicting emotions, and it's important we break what and why Project Kumos is going to be starting December 1st 2023.

WHAT IS PROJECT KUMOS? Keith did not build Subeta as a seasoned programmer. The earliest parts of the site were written when he was 14. As he built new features, things he thought would be really fun and that others would enjoy, he wasn't always looking at how things would look four years down the line or more. Nor was or this always easy to plan, since software versions also change. As he programmed Subeta using the tools he knew and had at the time, Subeta took on technical debt; the same way you need to get something now and plan to pay it off later, this meant coding a feature to work now and planning to retrofit or accommodate other code around it. The new auth system is a good example; the way it handled cookies was outdated and unable to handle new security protocols. So Keith put together something new to solve the problem, using the tools and approach that had worked before and started applying that to some other ideas on the horizon...and had an epiphany.

He details it more here https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/thread/8-%F0%9F%8E%89-Project-Kumos-%F0%9F%8E%89], including the cost of looking at outside options But the shorter version is that he realized his previous approach to coding Subeta one feature at a time, especially as the lone programmer, was going to run into the same problems we Subetans have unfortunately seen before; individual projects with a lot of steam that peter out as that technical debt of an older feature comes due and stalls integration with the amount of work having to be paid back. The future of Subeta can't look like that, for anyone's sake, and he knows it.

WHAT THIS MEANS TO SITE USERS New features will be built and tested on kumos.subeta.net and then, when they're ready, will have redirects on from the subeta.net URL to kumos.subeta.net EDIT will be integrated onto and accessible on main subeta.net. This does mean you'll only be able to access those new features through the Kumos Project until they're completed. But all of current subeta.net will still be available with the legacy features we have currently in place! Meanwhile on kumos.subeta.net there will be games and prizes, and lots of chances for feedback as Keith uses it as a test environment for new ideas and revisions of existing content. It also has a changelog! https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/4-Changelog

We WILL all need to update our passwords again if you haven't done so already on/for kumos.subeta.net; On the new kumos page you've got to click the "forgot password" thing under where you would put your credentials to get an email to reset/establish a PW for the new log-in You will then get a reset link in your email. IT will then update your password for everything. You will need to check your email on file at https://subeta.net/preferences.php?act=profile and be able to receive new emails at that address! If you need to change it but don't have access to that account anymore to do so, you can file a ticket and staff can reset it. OR, if you know a friend that wants to return but lost access to their email, they can email [email protected] to get that changed.

TLDR; the Kumos Project is a test environment to build new stuff and THEN add it to subeta.net. Subeta.net features are not being taken away and will continue working! The Kumos Project is a way for you to see and interact with new stuff before it's implemented, as well as give feedback.

We look forward to seeing you on kumos.subeta.net for the Kumos Project, and having more fun together on Subeta!

November 21, 2023, 1:55 pm by jersey
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Does getting a new pw also change the pw for signing in the rest of subeta? Legacy etc.

November 21, 2023, 1:54 pm by witch
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FOR PROJECT KUMOS PW: You basically have to reset your subeta password. You will get something sent to your email, and you will reset there.

Take note that resetting your password for Project Kumos means resetting your password for subeta.net as well.

Also you must use the same email you are using for subeta.net!

November 21, 2023, 1:54 pm by Patronus
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Wishing staff the best while working on this new site.

November 21, 2023, 1:53 pm by Paradise
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if i'm not mistaken, you have to RESET your password on Project Kumos by hitting the FORGOT PASSWORD button on the log in screen

November 21, 2023, 1:53 pm by Galaxia
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Over time the new features that are tested and stable will be integrated into the main site, and they will likely have different layouts.

Subeta.net is staying in its current form and features will not be removed until or unless a better, stable, more tested option is ready. the Kumos Project is about adding to Subeta rather than taking away! I specifically checked with Keith to make sure of that. We'll be keeping our items and accounts and subeta.net functionality will still work. Basically kumos.subeta.net is a test environment, an addition to the site where things can be perfected before they're added to subeta.net.

November 21, 2023, 1:53 pm by paeoniaceae
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it doesn't look like it. I think it's saying this site will run as-is but on Kumos.subeta is where new features and fun things will take place. I don't think they've addressed yet if the site will fully be integrated into Kumos but it states that eventually the plan is to have it redirect from here to there

November 21, 2023, 1:53 pm by Solas
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Thank You ❤️ I didn't see that sigh I'm losing my eyesight.

November 21, 2023, 1:52 pm by Cheshire
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On the new kumos page you've got to click the "forgot password" thing under where you would put your credentials to get an email to reset/establish a PW for the new log in. Hope that helps

November 21, 2023, 1:52 pm by Bliss
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Read post below. I pinged the wrong user. Sorry MarchOnOff

November 21, 2023, 1:51 pm by Bliss
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I got the same thing. Then I re-read it and it said it's still in testing stage

November 21, 2023, 1:49 pm by MarchOnOff
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From past experiences, I do not expect anything that dandy soon. I might be pessimistic, I might receive nasty smails from staff like before, but my fears are that no Melody, no Lumi, no Subeta. If I'm wrong and all goes well, I will publicly apologize, but till I see it to believe it, all I have is a wing and a prayer...The most heart felt best wishes and good luck to the staff and all the people working on this <3

November 21, 2023, 1:48 pm by Solas
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Yeah, you guys may wish to look into the kumos login thing because it didn't work for me 😢

November 21, 2023, 1:46 pm by Evy
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I don't get how we log in or update our passwords on the kumos site? Entering my email (same email as here on subeta), I get: These credentials do not match our records.

November 21, 2023, 1:46 pm by Roadkill
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Okay, just to make sure, we will not be losing anything on our accounts (pets, wardrobes) as this project goes forward and/or overtakes the site in the future? If so, I wish the project luck.

November 21, 2023, 1:46 pm by Bliss
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So, this site will no longer work and we'll have to use a new site in January? Can someone please break this down for me in very simple terms? Thanks lol

November 21, 2023, 1:44 pm by Saturnine
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Also, did I miss how we update our passwords on kumos.subeta?

November 21, 2023, 1:42 pm by Saturnine
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So the entire site layout is changing because it's now built on laravel (? I do cloud work, so I see programming languages maybe once a week)?

November 21, 2023, 1:39 pm by witch
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here we go!!!

November 21, 2023, 1:38 pm by Weesha
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excited, even hahaha

November 21, 2023, 1:37 pm by Weesha
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im so exciting for the future of subeta :)

November 21, 2023, 1:37 pm by Evil
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Yay fun stuff ^_^

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