Introducing Project Kumos!

November 21, 2023 1:34 pm

Hello everyone! January 2024 is coming up, another year for the world and Subeta. From those of you who have been here from the beginning to those who joined further along our evolution, you've seen a lot of change and progress. So the announcement of a new site framework may bring up a lot of conflicting emotions, and it's important we break what and why Project Kumos is going to be starting December 1st 2023.

WHAT IS PROJECT KUMOS?

Keith did not build Subeta as a seasoned programmer. The earliest parts of the site were written when he was 14. As he built new features, things he thought would be really fun and that others would enjoy, he wasn't always looking at how things would look four years down the line or more. Nor was or this always easy to plan, since software versions also change. As he programmed Subeta using the tools he knew and had at the time, Subeta took on technical debt; the same way you need to get something now and plan to pay it off later, this meant coding a feature to work now and planning to retrofit or accommodate other code around it. The new auth system is a good example; the way it handled cookies was outdated and unable to handle new security protocols. So Keith put together something new to solve the problem, using the tools and approach that had worked before and started applying that to some other ideas on the horizon...and had an epiphany.

He details it more here https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/thread/8-%F0%9F%8E%89-Project-Kumos-%F0%9F%8E%89], including the cost of looking at outside options But the shorter version is that he realized his previous approach to coding Subeta one feature at a time, especially as the lone programmer, was going to run into the same problems we Subetans have unfortunately seen before; individual projects with a lot of steam that peter out as that technical debt of an older feature comes due and stalls integration with the amount of work having to be paid back. The future of Subeta can't look like that, for anyone's sake, and he knows it.

WHAT THIS MEANS TO SITE USERS

New features will be built and tested on kumos.subeta.net and then, when they're ready, will have redirects on from the subeta.net URL to kumos.subeta.net EDIT will be integrated onto and accessible on main subeta.net. This does mean you'll only be able to access those new features through the Kumos Project until they're completed. But all of current subeta.net will still be available with the legacy features we have currently in place! Meanwhile on kumos.subeta.net there will be games and prizes, and lots of chances for feedback as Keith uses it as a test environment for new ideas and revisions of existing content. It also has a changelog! https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/4-Changelog

We WILL all need to update our passwords again if you haven't done so already on/for kumos.subeta.net; On the new kumos page you've got to click the "forgot password" thing under where you would put your credentials to get an email to reset/establish a PW for the new log-in You will then get a reset link in your email. IT will then update your password for everything. You will need to check your email on file at https://subeta.net/preferences.php?act=profile and be able to receive new emails at that address! If you need to change it but don't have access to that account anymore to do so, you can file a ticket and staff can reset it. OR, if you know a friend that wants to return but lost access to their email, they can email [email protected] to get that changed.

TLDR; the Kumos Project is a test environment to build new stuff and THEN add it to subeta.net. Subeta.net features are not being taken away and will continue working! The Kumos Project is a way for you to see and interact with new stuff before it's implemented, as well as give feedback.

We look forward to seeing you on kumos.subeta.net for the Kumos Project, and having more fun together on Subeta!

November 21, 2023, 10:06 pm by

I hope that's the case. The new project mentioned about building and adding new stuff, although I'm not sure how existing stuff will be managed, especially those which need fixing. I hope it can also serve as a test environment for existing stuff that needs to be updated or fixed.

November 21, 2023, 9:37 pm by

How do you log out? Plz ping or comment me the link?

November 21, 2023, 9:26 pm by

And I did the new password for kumos but it's not what logs me in here so I'm confused

November 21, 2023, 9:21 pm by

Okay this has been a bad week and my mind is fried tbh, can I get a basic explanation if this means subeta.net will still be the main site once the changes are implemented, or will subeta.net now be known as kumos.subeta.net sorry not thinking just need to know which one we'll be logging into from now on. Will this change the new subeta old subeta layout? I need the desktop layout because I can't find anything on mobile. Thank you, sorry ❤

November 21, 2023, 9:03 pm by

Honestly I can't imagine how hard it must be to work with a site this old. This definitely sounds like the easier option, since it means nobody on the main site has to deal with any unexpected problems.

November 21, 2023, 8:59 pm by

Looks like it is going to be so much fun already made the wood shack. I love it

November 21, 2023, 8:53 pm by

That is the goal - which I can definitely see is confusing here with how this is explained. It would be helpful to probably move over at least Keith's main forum post discussing the what and why that he posted on the kumos mirror over here even if it's a locked thread so folks get a better understanding of what's going on. A basic rundown below:

He can't do a lot of what he's talked about because too much of the site code is too old and breaks when trying to integrate. What he did was build things that "work for now" at the expense of the later where they may break down or not integrate or need to be redone. He's been piecemeal redoing things but it just breaks other things when he does. The kumos site is a way to work ground up on fixing infrastructure and testing it and making sure it can integrate in the things that cannot be easily redone before bringing those parts to the actual main site. And he's trying to build them in a way that will make future updates and integration actually work rather than breaking things down the line. People are mentioning Homesteading which is a new feature, but the purpose is to hopefully stick the pets you're not actively using off to the side so all of their data isn't being loaded in every single page (they'll still be there and they can do other tasks to help with site engagement and that will benefit users eventually with boosts and buffs and stuff - but they won't be calling all of the data about the pet and its stats and its petpage coding and its tc contents etc). He admitted he made mistakes doing new.subeta and auth.subeta in trying to build things pieced out still too much and one at a time, so this is a hopeful overhaul, inspired in part by that other famous pet site getting itself new ownership and trying to relaunch with new energy. He also said he did try to price out coding help to have the site rebuilt by a team but it was $180k at the cheapest and Subeta cannot float that and does not have the new user numbers to justify a loan or business investment like that from a bank etc.

November 21, 2023, 8:11 pm by

❤

November 21, 2023, 8:01 pm by

Pretty much! It's a very different approach than Keith has tried in the past, but one that should be a lot easier to work with and doesn't need y'all to migrate to patches or work with incomplete stuff.

November 21, 2023, 7:57 pm by

Thanks for the updates! Pull the band-aid right off, and let's get this going! We will be fine and adapt to any changes/issues, like always. I'm grateful for Subeta for keeping the site up and not selling out or shutting down. We appreciate everything, and are entitled to nothing. Everything will be okay, and most of us will support you - regardless. 🤗

November 21, 2023, 7:44 pm by

It just looks so soulless. The current layout is so much nicer to look at.

November 21, 2023, 7:35 pm by

explore/sai

Hmm, new area of the world yet to come?

November 21, 2023, 7:34 pm by

From my understanding after re-resding a few times, kumos will be brought over to this Subeta when it's ready. Unless I misunderstood

November 21, 2023, 7:31 pm by

Thanks for answering, I think I'm getting it now. If I get this right, INSTEAD of updating the main code to modern standards bit by bit and from the root, that was, I think, the diretion new.subeta was going to? the kumos.project is working ON the oldie code... bones? standards? structure? but adding a new process to new content that will it make easier to be updated? I'm going on the right direction here? And now I get the kumos site is a optative option, like, a closed testing park to get the next update ready before implementing it on regular subeta, but,not mandatory and not future site to move all the page content.

November 21, 2023, 6:56 pm by

Thank you!

November 21, 2023, 6:49 pm by

Is the site going to be so plain-looking? looks like an online hospital room.

November 21, 2023, 6:30 pm by

WOW, after reading note on this system and what it has taken to get here, and what it will take moving forward, and I REALLY excited for this, And thank you so much for caring enough to troubleshoot and create etc. It's made me rethink my frustrations of the past. I wish this communication had been done sooner, it really gives perspective and I feel a lot differently and more positively not only about the sites moving forward, but what you've been striving towards in the past. I hope this open communication and behind the scenes looks continue, it's eye-opening and I'm really appreciative being able to see the work that's gone into this. Thank you, Keith!

November 21, 2023, 6:25 pm by

Oh and playing on Kumos is just an added bonus but not a must for playing on Subeta. So you can continue to just enjoy your time on Subeta and leave Kumos alone. Up to you. :)

November 21, 2023, 6:23 pm by

and

I just put in my old password when I got the reset link. You do not have to make up a new password now. It is recommended that you make a new password every 3 to 6months. ;)

November 21, 2023, 6:08 pm by

I'm dreading the reset password, contact through e-mail, etc. Always close to a heart attack for fear I'll be locked out of my account for ever!

November 21, 2023, 6:04 pm by

So we do not have to do anything or log in at Kumos, but can keep playing here? For the time being, at least? Like I've never used new.subeta except for wardrobe and borders. Kumos is just a test or project for the future, like that other thing many, many years ago and the GA special trials?

November 21, 2023, 6:02 pm by

I’m going to endeavor to remain open minded and optimistic. I’m honestly just very thankful and excited that the team is working on improving/changing/expanding Subeta. Sometimes it’s so sleepy around here it can feel forgotten. I am glad to see Subeta still lives and has people that want to make it better!

November 21, 2023, 6:00 pm by

Thank you for the update! I've done as told. Looking forward to seeing the new stuff : )

November 21, 2023, 5:44 pm by

me, logging off my engineering meeting at my SaaS support job: ahh, time to relax

me: opens subeta

me: AHHHHH NOOO

kidding tho, this is exciting! sounds like a great idea that will help move things forward more easily. to anyone that's worried: this is a good thing. source: bro just trust me

November 21, 2023, 5:34 pm by

Thank you! Can we still use our current password once we get the reset link, or is it recommended to make a new one? If so, whoops, but I find it easier to just make them the same. I just don't want to be frozen for being logged in on two sites

November 21, 2023, 5:28 pm by

While a test environment is very useful, it would be helpful to give the same attention to existing things that needs to be fixed. Many of them are idle for such a long time, some with announcements and nothing new after that.

November 21, 2023, 5:24 pm by

I'm having the same issue as and with the password on Kumos not working on Subeta!

November 21, 2023, 5:18 pm by

You have to hit "forgot password" on the Kumos site. Then you can reset it.

November 21, 2023, 5:16 pm by

Do I have to change my password right away or can I wait for some of the bugs to clear first..?

November 21, 2023, 5:15 pm by

Honestly kinda excited to see some new changes to Subeta.~❤️

November 21, 2023, 5:13 pm by

Very excited!

November 21, 2023, 4:38 pm by

I love crazy things like this. Doing the Homestead is a bit chaotic now, but it's nice to see things being developed.

November 21, 2023, 4:36 pm by

Just got back from the store & haven't had time to read all the comments, but my take on this is if we don't want to or don't have the time to check out new stuff then we just don't need to do anything.

November 21, 2023, 4:30 pm by

so basically new.new.subeta.net?

November 21, 2023, 4:21 pm by

I’m having the same issue as . I logged out of Subeta and reset my password through the email link on Project Kumos. Normal Subeta is still requiring my old password while Project Kumos is taking the new password 😦 I thought they were supposed to be synchronized across everything?

November 21, 2023, 4:20 pm by

Thanks :) I'm in Israel and between siren and rockets, this is my second home, Subeta. I must admit I am in freakout mode every time there is a change, especially when I don't understand much, or at all...and when it happened before that Subeta went poof...

November 21, 2023, 4:12 pm by

All of that, CSC and galleries and subscriptions and outfits and battling and everything, will stay as it is and be usable on subeta.net. Keith will test new things on kumos.subeta.net and then bring them over when they're ready, but it won't take anything away from you. This is an addition to and a way to improve the main subeta.net experience rather than a complete redo on short notice, promise!

November 21, 2023, 4:06 pm by

The password I created for Kumos does not work for regular Subeta, it still requires my current/previous password. I am not going to change any more passwords until we get further clarification on this, thanks!

November 21, 2023, 4:02 pm by

Ooo, exciting!

November 21, 2023, 3:59 pm by

sit on couch, chill with music and wait to do anything till everybody say, yesss i understand all and all is working... 😄 than and only than I roll out my red carpet and follow ur' instructions...👍

November 21, 2023, 3:58 pm by

Thanks for answering, but what happens to our existing CSC and GA? My GA will expire towards the end December, does it go through? Even if it's buddy gift? So many explanations, so hard to understand it all...so many questions still not asked...like custom pets and wardrobe and galleries and...

November 21, 2023, 3:57 pm by

Yay!!! That clears up everything! Thank you. :D <3

hugs Subeta.net <3

November 21, 2023, 3:55 pm by

You're wonderful love, thank you!

November 21, 2023, 3:55 pm by

Exactly!

November 21, 2023, 3:52 pm by

Ignore my more recent question because I think this answer it as well lol

So Kumos is optional for us to use AND Legacy (and related coding for artwork/profiles/etc) isn't going anywhere if I understand correctly then?

November 21, 2023, 3:52 pm by

What I'm understanding is this is just simply an open beta type thing and we can give real time feedback, nothing more than that

November 21, 2023, 3:50 pm by

Also wanted to add, I'm just now getting into commissioning artwork/profiles for all my pets. Things I'll likely spend real money for. Should I put a pause on that if Kumos is going to be a thing? I assume what we purchase (coding wise) for Legacy will not work for Kumos.

November 21, 2023, 3:50 pm by

Hannah's got it perfectly. Things will be tested on kumos.subeta.net then brought to main subeta.net when they're ready, rather than having to make a whole new site or redirect you somewhere else.

November 21, 2023, 3:50 pm by

I'm real confused and also a little weary because I had to manually change my passwords for all three sites.

November 21, 2023, 3:46 pm by

I'm with with liking the legacy site. Not entirely sure what's going on with Kumos. Is it a site used to test new code and updated code and then implement that code on Subeta.net?

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