Yep, every single Saggi quest sucked today. Also: every single Saggi quest asked for items from All That Glitters. Those items break the quest, he doesn't pay enough for those. One of his quests paid me 75k today so obviously I lost sP... that's not nearly enough to cover three of the kinds of items he asks for. The base price of jewelry from NPC shops is higher than any other item as it is; those quests should pay MORE, not less. I've mentioned this already, many of us have, but it just keeps being an issue.

Exactly! Low payment, almost only ALL That Glitters week after week.

Even when I give up and start a new quest, Saggi keeps asking for the same items over and over again. I would complete it but the Funnel Cake is unbuyable lol.

• Elwood Trading Card
• Funnel Cake
• Ruby Jeweled Cuff

I'm having the same issue as misskass, he asked for exactly the same 3 items over and over for all 5 quests.

Came here to report the same issue, with the same items.

Same issue as the above users. I had to give up all but one Saggi quest. I actually completed one since I had Funnel Cake in my vault, but he only gave me 100k payout..and that's just not going to cut it.

Every single quest today, Saggi asked for the same three things and paid about 100k for each quest. Quest History

Wait, 100k is the intentional payout for these quests now? That's abysmal D:

Same issue as the users above, except the items Sagi asked for were:

• Red Candy Cane
• Funnel Cake
• Wreathed Topaz Circlet

Lost about 2.4 mil on the one quest I finished and had to give up all other 4 attempts because he asked for the exact same items each time. So that's a little annoying.

Yeah I am getting this stuck saggi quest today too. Very weird. Asked me for the same three items 3 times in a row. That's when I just stopped doing him.

I just did my first Saggi quest - he paid 101.037 sP (and a Snow Fairy) for items that sum up (in user shops) to 600 k. Granted, it's normal rarity items, still he should pay more than on Subeta, that was the original deal, right (more payout for less available quests)?

Luckily I owned them all myself, otherwise that sum would have made me quit, because he hadn't been too reliable all along plus we're testing a new setup.

We had the situation before, where he asked for immensely inflated items and paid millions in return - that wasn't good, either. It shouldn't be granted, that every quest is profitable - unless one owns the item and is willing to sacrifice it for low payout - yet if quest givers stick to demanding the very same items from every other user, and that repeatedly, that's ridiculous.

We've never had that on Subeta quests, they choose from a huge variety of items. Subeta quests have been working like a charm for ever and a day?

Maleria also paid less than lately on average - 50 - 65 k. I would have made a loss, when she asked for Charlie Leather Jacket, which is 50k in shops, owned that myself as well, though.

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Ha! I had the exact same items! Going by what others have posted here, there is no use in even trying a 2nd quest, I guess...

... yeah, very same 3 items...

Wiz is giving his normal off WE ~ 11-12 k

Nobody is earning that much from quests. It's about 3 mio, depending on how much we can draw from account, if items are in NPC shops,...

R99 is mega scarce. It's not so much about cost but being able to snag one.

And the "average user of 10 years, who has hundreds of millions of sP" has been working their butt off (hours! per day) to achieve that and still not enough to buy a (single) 9.000.000.000sP Godly Fanciful Box! ... on top of the rest of the meeeega expensive and often hard to even find stuff!!! They can't afford to pay a fortune for a new R99 NPC shop item asked in quests, because they need to save, save, save for the real goals.

I know it's all written from scratch. Yet I thought it was just about telling each quest to ask for a certain pool of items i.e. all items in shop A, B and C, like Subeta's quest givers do now. Sorry.

But we need to give feedback and tell you what's happening. We're trying carefully and just stop, when it's obviously not working as intended.

This is something different from Saggi's payout and item pool always being broken after the WE.

popping in to say- thank you for fixing the saggi quests/ explaining what went wrong, and also just reiterating a point ive made a bunch which is I am beyond impressed with how well this economy has managed to stay balanced for 20 years. it’s crazy to me and an often under appreciated aspect of running this site. anything to keep it sustainable is reasonable to me.

just a reminder to some ppl that csc items cost the same amount that they have basically forever. $2.50 for a donation present in 2006 is like $4 of purchasing power in today’s economy, but a DP still costs 250CSC. somethings gotta give and the irl economy certainly will not lmao

Thanks, Keith! Saggi's asking for common rarity items now, which kind of loses his uniqueness as a quest giver, but at least he's asking for different items every time lol

I did the remaining 3 quests: Saggi paid 75k now for 3 low rarity, easily available items.

I agree with misskass, that for the lore he should eventually again stick to asking for more valuable stuff.

This isn't related to the Saggi quest issue, but regarding the search shops list, would it be possible to make the spaces in between less wide, similar to how it is on legacy Subeta? I can't be the only one who finds it annoying and hard to look at.

Legacy:

versus Kumos:

The gaps between rows are so wide and clicking buy repeatedly, when questing, is slower when the button is so far to the right. Sorry if this was the wrong thread to post this feedback. Not sure specifically where else to mention this..

Hello!

Hi all! I wanted to throw in my two cents about quests (both Kumos and Legacy). I’m a newer player, having started around ~ 2 years ago and have been active for around a year. This is my first Lumi!

How I feel about Subeta

I really love Subeta. I first joined because I enjoy restocking shops. However, it has been collecting new items, events, the creativity and kindness of the community that has kept me on the site.

I really wish I found Subeta 15 years ago. I really love how there is daily activity and obvious care into the site. I can also understand that things probably have changed over time.

How I feel about Quests

That being said, I really don’t enjoy most parts of the current quest system (except for Major Drills and Battle Quests). I find normal quests really repetitive and time consuming, but I do them because the rewards are worth it!

I would definitely prefer to spend less time on quests and do other things, like being creative (art, creating stories), being on the forums or discord, cataloguing items, or playing in the wardrobe.

Thoughts about the current quest system

Most interesting quest chains are battle and major drills because they have the most variety! Major Drills encourages interaction with other parts of the site and has a chance for BIG rewards (retired items). Battle Quests help track your battling progress and the EXP has been really helpful as a newbie.

Questing is linked to restocking - as an avid restocker, my main source of income is my shops, which in turn depends on people enjoying and feeling rewarded for quests.

My main concern with current quests is that I feel like I need to be either restocking or doing quests just to make profits to be able to collect the items I’d like, instead of doing other things on site that I’d also really like to do.

Standard fetch quests aren’t fun - they take a while to do and I solely do them for the rewards. I also like that Drills encourages you to interact with others and send things to your friends. That has been a big game changer for me this year!

Quest rewards I hope for in order is CSC (Morty Cards), Drills retired items, Quest Points, and SP.

• CSC is a big motivator.
• Rare or retired items are a big motivator for me as well. There are so many items to collect going back over 20 years!
• I enjoy getting quest points because I’m still collecting the seasonal and questie items.
• Extra SP is always helpful!

My hopes for Kumos quests

I hope Kumos has a quest system that is less time consuming while still giving interesting and motivating rewards that encourage daily activity (similar to dailies)! I hope a Major Drills style quest (or quests) makes it to Kumos too.

I feel like quests should be something quick and rewarding to do while keeping the economy turning. For example, have consistently rewarding normal quests (CSC, SP, rare items) and maybe a Drills type which encourages people to interact with each other more (stick others, send gifts etc.) through offering retired items like normal.

For me quests aren’t the most engaging part of Subeta - the community, forums, creativity, shops and collecting are.

I hope the layout and functionality for quests will keep improving!

Current state of Kumos quests

I really like how they feel at the moment - they are so much faster and the layout is better.

I feel like the CSC reward could be increased to be more consistent with the existing Morty Cards system.

• At the current rate (10 CSC) you would need to do all your quests 25 days in a row to afford a CS Monthly Collection, when you’d be able to get 2 per month with 25 CSC a day.
• 10 CSC a day would only allow you to grab a CW at least once per two months, whereas 25 a day is one a month./li][li]Also in the current system you can get lucky, and get multiple Morty cards a day!

The most painful parts of Kumos quests for me are lag (when you get it) and item pools leading to overly inflated items. It rewards aggressive restocking which not everyone is into, instead of encouraging daily participation for everyone (not just restockers). You should want to do your quests daily instead of worrying about being shafted by inflation. (I know the feature is in beta, I still enjoy doing kumos quests and testing it out).

Thank you for reading and to the Subtea Team for all their efforts!