I'd have to say that I disagree. If I were to compare, I'd use the fact that accounts are not "cleaned" of their belongings. Items aren't thrown into the DC (if not volunteer because some people hold giveaways when leaving), achievements and collections aren't downgraded to zero either.

I have to agree with numerous people. You shouldn't be able to get a pet based of someone else hard work. It does not matter if they are frozen (self-ice is a thing) or if they are purely inactive. I've seen people coming back more than once. If I were to take a break and find my T12+ out of my account, you'd be sure as hell to find me harassing to get my pet back. I know it's against the rule, but to me it's just rude. You did not surrender your pixels and therefore, it's theft. Even if suggesting the pet to be stripped off of everything (tc, stats etc), I'm still against it. You shouldn't have the right to decide that either.

Last I've know, no one is divine enough to know exactly if an user will return or not. I've taken my fair share of hiatus over the years. Sometimes, I logged after a few months. Plus, even if the person only log in to keep their pets ... they are entitled to it for creating, painting (or not) and owning this glob of pixels. You can already get their name, I don't think getting everything is necessary and I don't want to see it allowed either. I'm also thinking of the whole server strain and whatnot if it were to be a thing. Everyone trying to "spawn" the pet to their account ... I can see shit going down fast.

If I put myself into the shoes of someone coming back after a 1 year+ absence I just can say: Please no.

It would already be painful enough to have lost my pet names, also losing their IDs, BD stats, their colors that I paid for, their tc slots and, possibly also creation dates with a deeper meaning...just no. The current clearing was, besides other reasons, put into place in order to give inactive users a chance to return at some point without having to start from the scratch but if I would come back to an entirely gutted elephant graveyard on my account I highly doubt that my ambition to stay would even reach the zero degrees mark.

I am totally against this!

I can tell you the reason... IF I get back into a hiatus - as I've done before - it's hard enough to come back and have the good name taken. But I can always find another nice name I can work with.

What I could NOT live with is the fact that someone would adopt y pet I have put lots and lots of effort in (training, reading books and a huge TC) I do not think Mondstaub s name would be looked after, but I would think that people would want her for her stats, books, foods and the huge TC

so NO SUPPORT!

Same for the Pound pets idea.... I'd rather spend a loyality box /CSC on changing the name then loose my pet.

Especially for trainied pets... And I have had a long hiatus - 4 1/2 years and I still think I am happy with m pets stats, which I have trained in a single year....

Cancer is one of this illnesses that can make sure you're not logging in for a long time since chemotherapie is really something you body might not cope with well - and if you want to work again you'll also have a rehab after chemo

One year can be something not long at all.

I disagree with this suggestion as well. We can already take names from inactive users, and I think that's enough. If you want nice pets with good stats and stuff, I think you should have to just work on it yourself like everyone else does.

Like others have mentioned, if I left for a year or two and came back with my pet missing that I had put a ton of work into, I'd probably just quit for good and never come back.

No, I don't think anyone is entitled to the pets of inactive accounts. I already don't love that we can change names to inactive pets, but actually take the whole pet? Nobody is entitled to the pet just because someone else isn't online. We already have the name thing, that's enough to get names from frozen/inactive accounts. Just because someone is offline means anyone else /should/ get those pets.

I imagine my neopets account which I haven't touched for many years. Despite not doing much with the pets there I would be very upset if I were to return one day and found out that someone had adopted them from me while I was away- and their stories and profiles, which I had worked painstakingly on many years ago were wiped clean just like that.

I am trying to put myself in your shoes and I can understand that sometimes you want that pet with a birthday that is incredibly difficult to find and it seems like it would be much easier to just take one from another user's account who doesn't seem like they would treasure it as much as you. But what you are suggesting is a seriously grey area because as many users have said before me, we don't know if anyone of these people will ever come back to subeta and when they would decide to. It seems wrong to just adopt their pets from under their noses because we presume they will not be returning or that they have no need of these pets anymore. And it's the same with stats/IDs/species and colour, just because it looks like you'll appreciate it more than them doesn't give you or I or anyone for that matter to just take the entire pet. In the event that a user is frozen and is never coming back, I would prefer their data be wiped off the servers, a shame as it is to lose that nice ID number forever, I still don't think it sounds right to take someone's pet because 'they won't be needing it anymore'. If you wouldn't loot frozen accounts for items/CWs/currency then why should pets be any different?

I think the current system on subeta is excellent with a fine middle ground between freeing up pet names from inactive accounts but leaving the old pet on the account with a free name change. To a lot of people, there are a lot of aspects that make up a pet more than the name, at least even with a different name, you know that the pet is still the same pet that you created previously, and people find sentimental value in that. To just take the entire pet away seems pretty wrong.

So I really understand where you are coming from OP. All I can say to you is to continue searching through the adoption forums for pets or look through the pound, I'm sure there are other users out there willing to help you. Maybe you can track down the IDs of pets born during a leap year and look and see if any of their owners are willing to adopt them out? Obviously it's not going to be easy but it doesn't sound entirely impossible either.

"People who are banned forever should lose their things"

Okay, but rules have been changed in the past. Meaning that people you think are "permanently frozen" can appeal if the rule is changed.

Unless it's for a major rule, such as cheating or botting, there have been people who got last chances from staff. Staff are human and they don't want you banned more than you do - unless you're cheating to get your way to the top.

The main reasons why people got frozen were all pretty much changed. Even the multi account rule is hella more lenient that it used to be. And, the rules aren't set in stone, and things can still change. SB Bans and Forum Bans are given to serial offenders.

Outside of multis, the main reasons for permanent freezing that can't be repealed are botters and cheaters, and they're probably less than 1% of the frozen accounts on Subeta.

We shouldn't loot people's accounts. Them losing their account is punishment enough.

Given you can do that anyway when the account clears - admittedly you don't get the pet stats - I don't see the point.

@ Hanzo They want to be able to pick up exactly that one pet, with that specific id number, birthdate, stats, TC slots, the whole pet. I don't think they care much 'bout the name.

Nevermind how hard the other person worked on the pet, or what the pet meant for the inactive user. Apparently, if you don't log in for a while because you have to decide between internet and food, you're having family issues, you moved halfway across the world for your job/education, or you're dealing with serious health issues, it means you don't deserve to have your pets waiting for you when you return to Subeta.

The more I read this topic, the more it saddens me. :/

I know.

The more I read it, the less I like it as well.

Yeah... I wouldn't mind a way to reclaim old pet IDs from the era of inactive account deletion, but I'm pretty sure that would make the database throw a fit.

It's not really hard to find lowID pets in the pound, or particular birthdates the adoption forums? You just have to be patient and persistent, maybe ask your friends to keep an eye out for you.

For me it's one thing if for any reason beyond my control that I can't login for a year or more and when I can come back and find my pet names taken, it's a whole other ballpark to come back to find my whole pets have been taken by others. Even if the only thing moved over is creation date, color, and name. I'd be beyond pissed if everything went along.

I'm pretty sure I know what pets of mine would be taken and it would have nothing to do with names/or creation dates. I'd be saying goodbye to years of work training my battle pets because someone else wanted a high tier battler. I'd probably be saying goodbye to my memorial Angel Feli I created on the day my cat died because, hey, expensive cs color (he's also a t9 battler).

This whole thing actually makes me sick and stressed out. I don't even really have a strong attachment to names but I do to the actual pet behind the name.

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For all of the reasons that have been stated by other people. Not anyone's fault you have an idea for a birthdate only possible to create once every 4 years. Wait or seek someone willing to adopt you one. If you've never been inactive in all your time and it's not that big a deal to not be inactive, you can have patience that doesn't require stealing from someone who is gone for reasons you aren't entitled to know.

And it's a completely incongruous statement to say that memorialized accounts should keep pets and petnames while accounts that could potentially be retrieved should not.

This is a terrible idea :c

Just like what everyone else has said, people have real life problems and might not possibly be able to access a computer or a mobile device to log into their account. Financial issues as well and can't afford a phone plan or internet for the time being (could argue they could go to a public library etc, but I know some libraries are charging for library cards now or that person doesn't have any mode of transportation to go to a library). Just because someone might be busy with real life doesn't mean they don't want or care about their pets at all. I would be absolutely devastated if I came back to Subeta after real life issues and see all my pets cleaned out, especially Onion Knight, who I've spent so much time working on battle wise.

People shouldn't suffer coming back to Subeta and seeing everything they've worked so hard on completely gone and taken away by another user. Basically thievery :s

100% no support, for all the reasons people already listed. Taking away what people have worked for in the past just because you don't want to wait for a certain day to create your own pet is not a good argument. 😔 That's punishing other people for your own impatience.

Nevertheless I've seen your leap year adoption thread and still wish you good luck. 😶

Nope. Just nope. I want a memorial pet for my cat that died. I was too upset on the day she died to log in and do all sorts of internet stuff, obviously, so I'll wait until the date rolls around this year. Real life is more important then internet, but when you put tons of work and emotion into something just to have it taken away from you because hey, unforeseen real life stuff took you away from a game for a while, that's just not right.

I'm gonna try and sum up my post from page 4 in the hopes that this post will show up, just because I can't believe this thread is still going tbh

hmmm let me think... I had a 4 1/2 year hiatus yes I repeat myself

I started here because of a friend who wanted to get her "bring people over here achievment" 6 years and a few month ago.

I tried to get familiar with the game. I did not really get into it. I stopped playing. I never logged on for 4 1/2 years.

Then my sister told me she found a new petsite since neopets was going down so fast told me the name and I was like "let's see if I can still logg in my old account" and it worked. I was even lucky with most petnames, since I use German RW rather then english ones coughs.

The idea was to help my sister to a headstart (no I did not lan on staying) so I gave her all the things that looked like they could be worth anything. I had loyality boxes sitting in my account - so I even painted one of her pets - and to transfer I had to wait 30 days. During that 30 days I thought to give the site another chance and see wether I would fit in better now.

That worked. I have played a lot during the last year.

So never say never giggles

I disagree with this as well. for pretty much all the reasons that others have stated. Have been lurking here for a bit, and finally decided to post since I see that Darkrai is still having problems. Let's see if quoting you works. :)