Chill, dude. Personally, I feel a year is a long time to not take 30 seconds to click on a bookmarked link to save your account. You don't have to be dedicated or even spend more than a minute on here. That's just me, I get people feel differently. No matter the circumstance, you know if you don't log in within the year, your username and pet names can be taken, so I feel that it's your responsibility to remember to log in so that doesn't happen. Pet names are obviously important to the majority of users on Subeta, so I completely understand why names have clearings. I think it's fair you get a year, and that if you do come back after a year, you get a free name change if someone has used that name. I do not agree with the OP to adopt pets completely from inactive accounts.. that would be unfair and a stupid thing to do, because of the hard work people put into training, profiles, treasures, reading, potions, minions, food, achievements..

I'm not referring to name changes. I'm referring to OP's want to poach someone else's hard work just because that person potentially isn't able to get online for a while.

I understand putting pets of frozen accounts in the adoption center if they're staff frozen but not if they're self-frozen. Someone who's self-frozen might still end up coming back and if their pets were gone I doubt they'd really be happy about that. I also doubt they'd want to come back if that were the issue.

As for staff frozen, my issue is just how are they to know? If all pets from staff frozen accounts are automatically put into the adoption center after a certain period of time what system is there in place to know exactly? I honestly doubt there's an automatic system in place to distinguish between staff frozen accounts and those that were self-frozen by the user. It's not something I could feasibly see being done because of the manpower involved as staff would have to constantly check accounts that were frozen to make sure that they weren't self-frozen and then move the pets over to the adoption center.

I have come back from being inactive for longer than a year and I wouldn't have stayed if Wuf were gone, since I had previously put a lot of effort training Wuf.

It's easy to get busy irl and push subeta off and not log in for awhile. When life calms down and you have time to log back in, you see what changed and rediscover what you had loved about the site when you played before.

'Won't get on' and how are you or anyone else to know if someone won't get on? You can't.

This suggestion is a shy step from theft. No.

It's not that it's just that I'm not sure if there's an automatic system in place for such a thing to occur in the first place.

Yes, frozen vs self-frozen is different, but unless there's an automatic system in place to differentiate staff would still have to go through, check accounts, and manually release those pets up for adoption. That said, even if subeta did have an automatic system in place to differentiate and periodically release pets associated with certain types of accounts, automatic systems go awry as coding issues happen. It's not a guaranteed failsafe and I could still see it going awry if the system in place doesn't work or ends up choosing pets attached to accounts that weren't frozen by staff and were actually self-frozen with the possibility of the user coming back.

So, yeah, still not comfortable with this idea.

You can't buy pets and getting a name or UN is a stroke of luck, and patience. Treasure chests. Tiers. Colors. Those are all hard work.

And that is NOT an acceptable measure of whether someone will or will not return to subeta. People have changed their minds, even after giving away everything. Neither you nor the staff can arbitrarily decide it's certain they will never come back just because they said they won't and gave away their things.

You are not entitled to anyone else's work.

There's nothing personal about it at all. I just can't believe you want to steal something from someone else based on the assumption (and it IS an assumption because you have NO proof) that they aren't coming back.

Just no. Because we ALL know this is mostly going to be used to take high tier pets and pets colored with cash shop colors because people don't want to work for those things.

No. Just no.

I can concede to that but you're talking about users you think won't come back as well. So it's still no.

Besides the controversy of getting pets with expensive colours and/or very high stats for potentially free, aside from time and patience to stalk certain inactive accounts, it also raises the question about anonymity and privacy of frozen users. Even if man labour is spent to categorise accounts that were frozen due to T&C violation and those that were self-frozen, it means this practice if brought into effect will expose accounts that violated the rules, as in: if you are able to adopt a pet off of an inactive or frozen account, that means you and any stalkers will know that the previous owner of that account violated the rules in the past. Just imagine people coming back and trying to connect with their friends on their friendlist by putting something like 'previously known as ...' in their signature with the knowledge that someone out there may know they violated the rules in the past because their pets in their previous frozen accounts were available for free adoption. This might be very intimidating and embarrassing for them, hence a very sensitive border to cross. It is also a violation of their privacy, as some user has previously mentioned, the reason why someone got their account frozen should be only their and staff's knowledge, and not anyone's business at all. I believe that when an account is cleared due to long inactivity or the UN is taken, all of their previous pets are put into the pound for adoption along with their provided free name change, their birth date and stats, so I don't think the option to adopt a pet directly off an inactive or frozen account is necessary at all, and I don't personally welcome or support it for the privacy risk that I listed above.

If they're just pixels and it doesn't matter if people lose their hard work... why do you want it so badly? Its nothing to flip out over so why do you want to steal these pets from inactive/frozen users? IDs and birthdates don't really mean anything at all, its just pixels. You don't need a high tier battle pet or an expensive color or a huge TC, its just pixels.

You keep going back and forth on "can't come back" vs. "won't come back" which is a really important distinction. Which one are you talking about? I know I've seen users return after having been gone for years, maybe they're the minority out of users who have been gone for so long, but that's irrelevant. The fact is that it does happen and it's unfair for their pets to be missing.

Regarding just those users who have been frozen by staff, those accounts can sometimes be appealed and unfrozen. Even if they stay frozen, I, and apparently quite a few other people, aren't comfortable with the fact that other users would be able to tell why someone was frozen. And you would have to be able to tell, whether it's only from the fact that suddenly the pets become available or if there were a different notice put on the account. Staff can't really do much about offsite bullying but they don't need to help it along by displaying when someone gets frozen.

I don't like this. It reeks of a weird entitlement to the work and effort of another person. I'm seeing a lot of negative returns from implementing a feature like this, and the only real counterpoint I've derived over the past 4 pages is "but I want it."

Subeta's already got a decently fair system of clearing inactive names and compensating returning users for the names they have lost. If you see a name you want, you create it onto a new pet or rename one of your existing pets when and if it becomes available. If you want a pet with an expensive color, you save up for that color. You want a high tiered pet, you put in the time and money to train your pet. You want a pet with a specific birthdate or ID that are impossible to get? You come to terms with the fact that not every goal is obtainable and move past it.

Other users work hard on their pets, or get crazy lucky to get the names/IDs they have. Just because they go inactive or their accounts get frozen does not mean you suddenly deserve that pet more than they do.

/Heavenly music plays

Please stop making assumptions about people. I'm perfectly calm; I'm simply baffled by this entire suggestion. You literally want to steal pets from people who you deem unworthy of owning their own pets that they worked and paid for because.... you're not willing to work for the pets you want? Am I understanding you correctly? You do not want to wait for what you want, in the sense of waiting for a leap year or waiting to adopt a pet born on a leap day, and instead want to take pets from other people to achieve this goal? Is that right?

If you want to achieve something, work for it. People didn't get their awesome battle pets, expensive species/color pets, or giant treasure chests by doing nothing. The vast majority don't get them by sitting around begging for things either. If you want great pets, work for them. If you want a special birthdate, you need to have patience and diligence. Period. You are NOT entitled to other peoples' hard work just because you don't want to put in the work yourself.

So what if it'll take you years? It takes a lot of people years to achieve big goals of all kinds, in games/online and in real life. Many, many Subeta goals and achievements can take a very long time. Literally years. If someone is not willing to work for what they want, they're not gonna get it and frankly, they don't deserve to. Wanting something reallyyyyyy badly is NOT a justification for stealing other peoples' stuff or accomplishments, in real life or online.

Subeta pets are NOT real. They are not in a shelter. They do not suffer one bit because their rightful owner gets busy irl, gets frozen, or even just quits. Their hunger and happiness levels have no effect at all. Battling or being injured does not hurt them. They're pixels. That comparison doesn't make sense. And just because you assume an inactive or even frozen user considers their pets trash doesn't make it true. You're assuming so much about people. Being inactive doesn't mean someone hates their pets or doesn't care about the time, work, and possibly money they put into Subeta. It literally only means they have other things going on that take precedence. Maybe its work, family, kids, school, sports, being deployed, being in the hospital, natural disasters, emergencies of all kinds, internet access, something as simple as preferring a different game at the moment... it could truly be anything.

But honestly... if you had posted in the Pets or Adoption board, I'm certain people would have worked to help you find an available leap day pet in the AC or ufa. I've seen it happen. Heck, you could look for the pets yourself. Or make a board asking someone if they can help you learn or know some leap day IDs so you have somewhere to start.

I'm not any way, and you can't bar me from the discussion just because I'm disagreeing with you and pointing out all the ways people are going to use this to take shortcuts in terms of tiers, pet colors, and treasure slots.

I don't think I could've put it any better.

There ARE ways, and none of them involve hijacking stuff from frozen accounts. Waiting's shit. No one likes it. But not liking it doesn't entitle you to something that isn't yours, and 'no one's using it' isn't even close to a reasonable excuse.

I strongly disagree with this suggestion. Tbh we are lucky they switched it to a year of not logging on. It used to be a rare "hey a clearing is coming up!" So it was a massive bloodbath. It would be a really shitty thing to do for those who are just not able to get on much due to IRL being busy or health issues, ext. Those people could potentially come back fully active which could be a loss for the site.

It seems more like it's less of a space thing and more of an entitlement thing. And honestly, I feel like the site has been running really well aside the font issues from what I noticed? Also, to change it for a frozen user even would make it unfair for others stalking that name as well unless they changed it from a year on those.

I feel like these types of threads pop up when people get upset they miss names or can't get what they want. Welcome to the waiting for names/pets club. Some stalk names for years before they actually clear.

: As I previously mentioned, the current system does allow pets from deleted accounts, either due to long inactivity or because the original UNs are now claimed by someone else, to be put into the pound. It's not always the inactive users who probably are not aware of the free name change to get rid of their pets, though that might happen. The Mothim_xxx you gave as an example may very well be put in the pound because the original username has now been claimed by another active user. My point is that this is something the current system already allows so there is no point in suggesting the same thing that is currently in practice.

I am still against the idea of adopting pets directly off inactive or frozen accounts though, for all the reasons that other users have mentioned.