Why would they need to build a bridge, anyways? Why not a boat? Why not a snappy, fun, original message like 'Put the un-living back in fun-living'? Why do we have to tie a subeta holiday with an irl march?

Building Bridges not walls, isn't a purely march related slogan though.

The usage of the term building bridges as a metaphor for bridging the gap between different communities was around long before it was used as a slogan for the marches and it'll be around long after.

But if the issue is the quote itself then, I'm assuming any variation of that quote would still be considered politically motivated. I was going to suggest something a long the lines of "let's build bridges together" instead if it's going to be a zombie related item as it would take out any mention of the wall.

@ Normandy Neither is 'adopt a pitbull', but given the context it was used in in my example, it became one. Like how- and I'm not saying people who disagree with me or use the term politically are nazis, because lbr, they're absolutely 100000% not- the swastika is simultaneously a modern symbol of hate and an ancient symbol of peace. An even more recent example are white nationalists like that guy who was punched in the face who are taking and claiming pepe as a part of their movement now. Both these things also existed before the movements that claimed them picked them up. Even MAGA came from somewhere else. MAGA was Ronald Regan's campaign slogan from the 80's.

People take slogans and random bits and pieces from the world around them and give them new meaning.

The idea behind how the swastika is viewed is very dependent on where in the world you are. The western world will always largely associate it with the negative connotation that's associated with it but in many eastern Asian countries it's everywhere. I remember seeing it on food booths and on signs in restaurants in Taiwan all the time as a means to denote that said food booth or said food establishment was vegetarian. It had no negative connotations there at all because it was meant to be a reference to its original intended message( A Buddhist, Hindu symbol of peace) and not the one that eventually it became known for in the western world.

Similarly, I don't necessarily think that the theme of building bridges or that quote will end up being forever associated with this particular point in history though I could very well be wrong. I don't know how historians are going to write about this period of history in the long run.

If the issue is the usage of the term building bridges in any form simply because it could be misconstrued as being an endorsement of or reference to the marches then using a boat reference/ water reference could be a substitute I suppose. I'm open to a reference to something along the lines of building a boat together, traversing the waters together, something along those lines instead as it wouldn't reference bridges and thus, wouldn't be construed as political.

; it has to do with politics because they want it inserted because it has become one of their slogans. It has nothing to do with bridges or building them, but spreading their political message. Making things great again isn't a bad thing nor inherently a political stance, either. By that logic, the zombies could also rally behind a cry of 'Make Shadowglen Great Again' or something.

That same logic could be used for any slogan. Yes, they chose that slogan it still doesn't mean that slogan will be forever associated with that one particular movement. It's a quote that's been used for various events throughout history and not just the marches.

Again, I still stand by the stance that I mentioned before that if the issue is the wording,the quote itself and the fact that it was used for the marches then substitute it for something referencing site lore, a cute line of kitty hats or uses entirely different terminology( water, boats) altogether.

True, but the marches were rather recent, and they're still highly politicized. I really wouldn't want to see anything referencing either political stance for a very, very long time. If something directly referencing bridges not walls had come out like a year or two, I wouldn't be this firmly against it.

In this current instance, it was being suggested as a way of inserting a political view by using a different slogan. It doesn't matter what the word will or won't be associated with in the future, what matters is why it was suggested.

Ok, if we take out any reference to anything political at all then a line of kitty cat eared beanies wouldn't be political though. From an aesthetic point of view I'd actually be happy with a line of cat ear beanies purely for avatars in general as I pretty much never use that one cat ear hat that we have on site. It's just not my favorite item in terms of appearance and doesn't fit with the color scheme of avatars that I make on site.

I know the inclusion and development of such an item was originally political in intention but I still think a basic line of cat ear colored beanies would be fine to have on site as a stand-alone set of items in general.

I already said I wouldn't have a problem with those beanies? I was arguing about politics from either side being injected in the site.

My apologies, I was under the impression that you were against the idea of a cat eared beanie item on site in general. If the issue is still going to be the political connotations of the quotes being used and any terminology even related to those quotes then, that means anything involving bridges is out. That said, I'm not sure how substituting bridges within the name or an item's description for altogether different words or terminology is still going to be construed as political as I personally wouldn't read it as political.

; if they're not politically linked, I don't see a problem? There could be model bridges made of 'famous subetan landmarks', such as the 'Golden Ghostly Bridge' or the 'Swampie Harbour Bridge', or snowglobes depicting bridges across the land of subeta. The problem isn't bridges, the problem is the motivation behind the items suggested here. If someone comes along and suggests 'model bridges' for the sake of model bridges without wanting them purely to reference a political movement, I'd see no problem with it.

Hmm, if that's the case, then maybe a model city set?

My brother used to build model airplanes as a kid so a set like that would be a cool nod to childhood.

Also, I'm going to step out of this conversation for now. I think at this point everything that's been said has already been said and I'm not sure what else could be said. If there's an alternative that's fine with both sides then I'm all for it.

I'm genuinely confused here. You're saying that the expression, build bridges, shouldn't be used on the site because it's now associated with the political views of the people who went on the Women's March. You then say you have no problem with having a range of cat eared beanies on the site. What about a pink one? Surely pink cat ear beanies are now associated with the political views of the people who went on the Women's March because thousands of marchers were wearing them and it was deliberately chosen to be a symbol of the Women's March. Even if the Subeta wearable was called a dawn cat/kitty eared beanie it would still be pink.

Maybe it would be best to wait a couple of years before a range of cat/kitty eared beanies is added to the site. People could then put a pink cat/kitty eared beanie on their HAs without anyone thinking they are representing Women's March protesters.

If they're created without any political message inserted in it, I don't see a problem. I've said I don't have a problem with cat beanies, but with the fact that they'd be pushing politics onto the site. If this whole thread was just 'I want cat beanies!! Red, blue, pink- ALL the cat beanies', this wouldn't be an issue in my eye. These items- and the message about bridges- are currently only being pushed to tie them into a political movement, and that's where I draw umbridge.

No politics in item descriptions would be fine with me.

Your objection to the saying 'build bridges' made me think how everyone is different. It's too political for you because it was part of one slogan used on the Women's March. I regard it as neutral because it's been around for a very long time. It doesn't make me think 'exclusively Women's March' any more than the word, planet, which was also used in a Women's March slogan. Others will have different views.

So back to a pink cat beanie hat. Everyone is going to be different here as well. Some people might think of it as just an accessory which will go with an HA outfit. Others might associate it with being the Women's March symbol and put it on their HAs because they want to commemorate the march. A third group, however, might associate it with being the Women's March symbol and be uncomfortable with the thought of wearing it - even though pink would go with an outfit they could make, they wouldn't want others thinking they approved of the Women's March or took part in it. This is why I suggested waiting a while before adding this range of hats. Maybe two years is far too long so just a few months could be fine. By the time June comes around the march will be yesterday's news as the saying goes.

I only suggested, build bridges, because I thought it might be a subtle compromise. Even though it can be seen as political it still applies to what can be seen as politics in the fictional Subeta world. The living and Unliving are trying to build bridges between their races/societies. As everyone is different I think of the living and Unliving trying to do this as reflecting what a lot of people are trying to do in the real world.

Here is a BBC website article about the origin of the Women's March pink hat for anyone who is interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38666373

Just call it a square knit hat. I like the idea, and whether or not you want to think about it as a political thing is up to the viewer.