i say no, not beacause of "subeta vs real life" or politics but because the last thing we need to do is bring exclusionary cisnormativity here

While I think this would be a good item, it was just one of the many items/mottos of the Women's March, and definitely not the overarching motto of the march as far as I'm aware. If this could be one of a set of items, I'd be all for it, but if it was the sole representation of the Women's March I wouldn't be a big fan, if only for the fact that it was one facet of a million people march and, as some people have pointed out, boiling down the march to just the phrase "this pussy grabs back" entirely misrepresents what many many people were marching for.

I like the motto for its direct address of Trump's statements, but again it wasn't the ONLY motto and isn't inclusionary to many hundreds of thousands who marched.

I'm going to address several issues in this:

Firstly, the mixing of politics and subeta.

There have been references in subeta items to real life events as recently as 2015. The rainbow wedding cake item that celebrated the SCOTUS decision to legalize same-sex marriage comes to mind. If the point is to move completely away from references to real life events and politics in general then, that item should never have been created. I'm not saying that as someone who disliked the item; I was a huge fan of it, but it referenced a very distinct political decision and therefore should not have been referenced on site. Subeta has made references to political decisions on site and not just during the Bush era as the wedding cake was as recent as 2015 when the decision was passed.

Secondly, I'm a female and cisgender so my experience with anything trans is limited, and I admit that. I'm not trans, and my experience is limited to viewing the trans experience as an outsider via the lens of friends who are trans. I've never experienced the dysphoria that came with being trans and wanting to change one's gender as I've always been happy with the biological sex I was born with. That said, I never viewed the march as being trans-exclusive and was honestly surprised when I realized that there were trans that did. I understand that the slogan was referencing biological genitalia, and realize now that made the trans-community feel excluded, but when the march happened I viewed it as a unifying rallying cry for all women, both biological and non-biological.

That said, I'm not a fan of having the actual march slogan as a description of or name of an item on site simply because it refers to a filtered word on site. I am however, still in favor of simply having a line of plain colored cat ear hat items on site. If the politics are the main issue and the fact that it could be viewed as trans-exclusive having it be site specific would still fix that issue. I.e change the wording to referencing a feli or tigrean instead and then it'd just be a cute subetan animal specific set of items.

I've just looked up the Rainbow Wedding Cake. It's a very subtle reference to a real life event and it's one of many rainbow items on Subeta. As we've got Rainbow Box of Macarons, Rainbow Cake, Rainbow Chocolate Chip Cookie Lolly, Rainbow Hot Dog and Rainbow Lollipop, for example, it's not even unusual as a food item.

As people have pointed out, the pink hat wasn't the only statement made on the march. Others included "Build bridges, not walls." and "There is no Planet B".

I also think a good compromise is just a line of knitted cat beanies with colors similar to that of the cat face stockings released. My friend owns a beige one in real life and it's super adorable. Not everything has to be interpreted in a political way.

Maybe a pink knitted cat/feli/beanie could have a description saying something on the lines of - bridges are built over ravines in Ytiva and the builders wear these to keep their heads warm.

I actually like the build bridges, not walls slogan as I feel it's a pretty neutral and positive message that transcends a simply female empowerment message. It could be applied to any group and I'd personally be more than happy with an item referencing such a slogan on site as a compromise to those who dislike the p***y slogan.

; It's still a political slogan for a political movement. Would you be alright with pro-Trump slogans being added to the site as well, as long as it isn't the 'Make America Great Again' slogan?

I feel there's a big, big difference between making a tribute item for a legitimately good change, something that actually made a huge difference for people vs. a worldwide protest against a man who, at the time of the protests, had done literally nothing in his role as the new US president. And looking at the recent news, seems like the march did nothing to stop him from doing what he promised to do.

Subeta has always been pro-gay. Unsurprisingly, given that Keith is gay.

Subeta has never straight up been pro-liberal or pro-conservative, even in the case of the Bush pins and the Vote pin, or the rainbow cake you mentioned.

I'd really love to keep it that way.

If users want a whole line of fuzzy knit kitten hats (a la Itchy Kitty Knit Hat) in various colours + a rainbow one - that's all good. I'm for it! But please keep politics and nods toward politically-motivated protests out of Subeta. A pg13 petsite is really not the place for this.

For those who want to support women - go out and march. Go protest, go draw attention to legitimate issues that women worldwide face. Things like forced abortions, genital mutilation, child marriages, human trafficking, and tons more. Heck - if you're skilled, go craft, knit, sew your own version of cute animal hats and donate all profits to organizations that help people in need.

A free pink cat hat on a pg13 virtual pet site is going to do absolutely nothing to help women who actually need help. All it does is commemorate a politically-sparked protest, no matter how much people deny that it was politically-sparked, or involved with politics. If Trump hadn't won, we wouldn't have had the march.

It's still political though. I wasn't against the item and I'm still not as I believe in same-sex marriage and was ectastic when the SCOTUS decision passed, but the point I was attempting to make is that if the issue is that subeta shouldn't be political at all then, it needs to be all or nothing.

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I may be be wrong in how I view that message, but I also think it could be construed as being more positive, more a message of cooperation than something purely antagonistic and political. That's a message that I believe could work outside of simply being a political slogan.

The other message could be construed as being more of a call to arms in general and thus is going to be more antagonistic but I see the wall message as being more of a let's build walls, let's cooperate and work with each other type message.

I also mentioned before that I believe a good compromise would be to simply just release a line of cat related items. I'd still be happy with a line of different colored cat beanies or different colored Subetan cat animal( tigrean, feli) related items as they wouldn't necessarily be political unless they were specifically made to be political.

; So you're only happy with political messages on the site as long as they come from your side? There are plenty of people who think that Trump's speeches are about unity, while your message is about tearing the country apart. If we're going to allow politically motivated items from one side, we should also allow politically motivated items from the other.

Politics are divisive. There will always be someone against what you're saying, no matter how good you think your message is.

TBH, I'd rather have both sides of the argument represented, or- preferably- none at all.

We're coming up to Survival. From the Subetapedia -

How about an Unliving version of the hat with a description on the lines of "We're building bridges"? This would be 100% relevant to the site because there are living and Unliving people trying to build bridges between their species and societies.

; Why use that slogan, though? Why not just come up with an all new slogan that has nothing to do with an irl political march?

It's a message I believe could work for both sides actually. I agreed with the message not because of political motivation but because to me the overarching theme of building bridges, of cooperation between the different swathes of the population and their varying ideologies is a positive message on either side. It's also a message that as ciannwn pointed out could also apply to subeta lore as well.

To me, it still stands as a fairly neutral message that could be applied to either side because it has an overarching message of let's work together, let's compromise, etc.

Others have mentioned simply making a line of different colored cat beanies that would be apolitical. A line of basic colored cat beanies on site is still a cute idea irregardless of the politics involved so I'm not sure honestly why that's not a decent compromise. I'd still be happy with such an item if political references were taken out in the description or name of them in general as it'd be nice to have something on site that's basic and without an emblem.

It's a message I believe could work for both sides actually. I agreed with the message not because of political motivation but because to me the overarching theme of building bridges, of cooperation between the different swathes of the population and their varying ideologies is a positive message on either side. It's also a message that as ciannwn pointed out could also apply to subeta lore as well.

To me, it still stands as a fairly neutral message that could be applied to either side because it has an overarching message of let's work together, let's compromise, etc.

Others have mentioned simply making a line of different colored cat beanies that would be apolitical. A line of basic colored cat beanies on site is still a cute idea irregardless of the politics involved so I'm not sure honestly why that's not a decent compromise. I'd still be happy with such an item if political references were taken out in the description or name of them in general as it'd be nice to have something on site that's basic and without an emblem.

"Building bridges" is a term that's been used for a long time. Why does it have to specifically tie to the protests?

Anyways, I don't support a standalone hat, especially if it has the specific word on it. Like others have said, I would be all for cat ear beanies. Perhaps if there's a line of cat beanies, the pink one can say something like "for ones who don't like to be pushed around" or something like that?

I don't think politics, of any caliber, really have a place here. We don't have items for/against current wars/terrorism/Brexit/this past American election/global warming/everything else. It's not a matter of safe space, it's a matter of if people wanted to hear about this stuff they'd be on news sites and not whatever subeta is (pet site, dress up site, collecting things site, and so on). It's not a matter of "this is subeta not irl" because obviously this isn't irl this is a place where people go to not keep up with politics.

It's just another item that'll cause strife when it's released and in a week will be forgotten. Obviously it'll cause issues, look at this board.

That said, if subeta wants to make a line of knitted pink beanies of various animals in October for breast cancer awareness and one just so happens to be a kitty that would be pretty cool? Or if they wanted to make a new line of knitted kitty eared beanies and one happened to be pink that'd be cool too. But to make just a pink kitty beanie specifically for this, I don't think that's in good taste.

No not because I'm anti-woman (I'm only anti-woman one painful week out of the month if you know what I mean) or anti free-speech, or anti-feminism, or anti-everythingstheymarched for (I tapped out after Madonna and didn't really want to keep up with it after that)... but mostly because politics don't need to be here. They suck and if someone wants to keep up with it there's a bazillion news sites for that.

If there were a line of cat beanies of all different color without any political messages attached would be something entirely different.

I disagree that a slogan for one political movement could be applied to another and make everyone happy. We don't need 'Make Subeta Great Again' anymore than we need 'Build bridges not walls', which is a direct counter to the other side's want to build a wall.

For example, where I'm from, the mayor is banning pitbulls, and people are very unhappy, since it's a breed that a lot of people love. There are also a lot of people that dislike the breed. That would be like gathering up both the pro-pitbull and anti-pitbull people together and saying 'I like the slogan 'adopt-a-pitbull, don't ban the breed'. Let's all gather together under this banner.' As much as I'd love people to all get together under the 'adopt-a-pitbull' message, it's not going to happen and it's not an inclusive message because not everyone agrees with my message.

OK, then. The Unliving aren't engineers who have experience of constructing bridges over ravines or rivers etc. so it's not a slogan that they'd think of. Can you suggest a slogan which expresses the same sentiment in an Unliving way because they are trying to build metaphorical bridges with the living and vice versa?

I'd totally support it. It's not offensive, it's simply supporting equal rights. You don't have to get one if you don't like it. :)