I'm with here: I too support the idea of new kitty hats just for getting new kitty hats. And why not use a description like the one from ? If it's "feli" instead of "kitty" or "pussy" who has claws and is willing to defend herself (especially if there are more colors than pink), it won't offend the users who aren't interested in US politics and/or have different opinions ... maybe?

it is in reference to donald's statement, and i'm aware of that, but that doesn't stop "this pussy grabs back" from being cis-centric in the name of this cause, a women's march - a march with women, all kinds of women, not just cis. the whole pussy-centric approach is nauseating, frustrating, to say the least. it's hella exclusionary. you mention trans men but in this whole thing they're irrelevant - they're not women. don't assume on their behalf. this was a women's march. a lot of (pre-bottom surgery) trans guys already have issues with their junk, and experience problems with what to refer to it without experiencing severe dysphoria - especially as loaded a word as pussy - and having a cause that's melting into a feminist thing be this exclusionary and, i'll say it again, cis-centric is problematic. point of the matter is that This Pussy Grabs Back and the so-called pussy hats are not the only symbols of this march. a lot of non-cishet people partook as well, aside from the allying men (cis and trans alike), and this whole cis-centrism is toxic. i understand wanting an item made, such as a pussy hat, to honour the women's marches, but in the same vein there has to be something else that includes the rest of the women whose lives are also, particularly, on the line in this presidency.

Overly political? This would be way political. I vote no. It would be showing political bias. :s

You can probably layer under or over or just use the latter because everyone who knows about the hat irl would get what you're referring to. (or just use the pink cat hat one too)

I get wanting to show how strongly you feel about politics on subeta, but subeta isn't really the best platform for that. If you want change, go out there and contact your local government / officials and pressure them en masse. Even protesting, lovely as it is, does not have a good track record of getting change done. More must be done. /end rant

I think if subeta put out something to support women's rights I'd be for that. An item directly referencing a reminder of something that makes me want to punch someone in the face, not gonna support that.

Hmm, good points. I guess I sort of bullheadedly wanted to ignore the grossness in the "I don't think that way, therefore, I will ignore it" way. Which is wrong.

Also, I've never heard men referring to their stuff as anything else and didn't realize that it was more singular -them being alright with it-. I need to learn more appropriate things to think when speaking of transmen. I'm sorry for that ignorance, but thank you for pointing it out.

I am going to edit my post on the first page now.

The real question is whether the item is suitable for Subeta. If there was a range of Feli hats in different colours, a very subtle reference could be OK but do we really need one?

The Women's March covered a number of issues including the environment and the rights of LGBT people. The site supports the rights of LGBT people because they are represented by NPC characters. One of them is Emma who ran the Centropolis Green Project which can be classed as an environmental issue.

Racial/ethnic minority rights have been represented through the history of Survival. From the subetapedia -

There's no land in the fictional world of Subeta where females, whether human or non-human are regarded as second class citizens. Women's rights can be represented by showing that Subeta females are equal in every way so people can draw their own conclusions about certain issues which aren't appropriate for the site if they wish to draw these conclusions.

We got a bunch of free gifts that were related to real world tragedies and deaths, despite being irrelevant to Subeta.

And not like 29473020 years ago. We got a bunch in 2016.

Having tribute items for deceased celebrities is nice, but the only reason that people have to deny the pink cat hat is "it's not related to subeta" well, it's a pretty weak reason.

Either the real world has its place here, or it doesn't

Another "yes" vote we need this hat:

I personally can't stand the association that just because something is pink means it is feminine. But, even though I personally dislike that, I was extremely impressed when I looked out at the marches around the world I saw not only a crowd of people protesting, but they were united under pink hats. The color ceased being a negative for me, and while I think the hats can be tacky...they are MORE than just hats. They MEAN something. Women will not stand idly by and be groped, harassed, called names, or listen to false narratives of the way the world is, anymore. They became an easily accessible symbol for people to march with, to signify that they are together and not divided.

The pink cat eared hats were a global show of support for all types of people. So, having them on the site in a more recognizable form (than our current knit hats) would be awesome. I think the term p***y could be changed, as that is still a term some find offensive, or inappropriate (particularly if they have been name-called, or mocked using that term). But, as others mentioned, using Feli, or another cat-based pet in the description would be a nice middle ground.

The more I hear about the women's march, the more I don't want this hat. One of their speakers, Donna Hylton was sent to jail as an accessory in the torture and murder of a 62 year old allegedly gay man. She claims she just watched the man and guarded him when he was a prisoner of her and her friends, but I really wouldn't feel comfortable with the site supporting a movement who invites someone like that to speak while also claiming to be pro-lgbt.

Edit: I won't post the link here, but if you google 'Crime and Punishment? Describes the participation of Donna Hylton in the kidnap and murder of real estate broker, Thomas Vigliarole. Background of Hylton; Description of the crime; Life in the prison.' You should find an article about what she did published in 1995. If anyone googles it, just brace yourself. What this speaker did really wasn't pretty, and the article talks about the nitty gritty, and a lot of what it talks about is VERY unpleasant and triggering.

Really though? To try and throw a global movement under the bus because of one speaker whose story you've totally misconstrued, and has been misconstrued by the conservative media repeatedly to fit this narrative is... something. And lol @ this sudden right-wing compassion for the lgbt+, thanks?

I'd recommend you'd read this article and re-evaluate what you've attempted to portray: http://www.inquisitr.com/3925979/torturer-and-murderer-donna-hylton-womens-march-speech-infuriates-conservatives-over-so-called-liberal-hypocrisy/

I don't understand how wearing a downright ugly pink hat supports anybody, and I don't think Subeta is the place to debate women's issues (if they actually have any issues that need debating. I still can't get a clear answer from any of my friends as to what exactly "women's issues" are. Aren't you just reducing women to their anatomies with a "pussy hat" anyway???

@ Thomas I am a bisexual transgender man. Why wouldn't I have compassion for other lgbt people and their rights? Thanks for assuming I'm a cis straight guy, though? I think I have every right to be leery of a movement that invites someone involved with that sort of crime, given what she participated in and what everyone says the movement stands for. Also, did you not read the end of the article you sent me, where it says why- in her own words- she thought the guy was homosexual? And did you miss the part in the other article where Spurling- one of the people she helped kill this guy- said "He was a homo anyway." in regards to what they did to him? Those might not have been her words, but she helped someone who thought it was okay to do horrible things to a person because they assumed he was gay.

I'm sorry, but the second article you linked me to did little to convince me that this is a movement I want to see supported on subeta.

I have a question; how are we supposed to talk about this item without talking about the political movement and symbolism behind it? The 'pussy hat' was designed specifically for the women's march and is inherently going to symbolise it.

This should be a cw item and not a site item. That way people who really want the hat can buy it and the people raging about its because of what it represents can be at bay.

so i hate politics lbr but as a wearable and a RL hat, i really love these kinds of hats. and esp if you have them in a bunch of colors, then it's not about politics? it's just a hat. with ears is stupid af and i would never wear it (like dear god look at that old art)

make a cute ACTUALLY WEARABLE KNIT HAT call it "knitted COLOR feli hat" and have the descriptions have nothing to do with politics.

yall getting uppity about a hat that grandma would make for her 7 year old g-child.

This would be appropriate if you replaced 'pussy' with 'kitty'. I've never brought my political views into my HA, though, so I would probably only use it if it came in a range of colors that happened to go with one of my outfits. At that point, it is a lot of work for a set of items that I may never even use. I would rather our wonderful artists spend their time on something else.