, I think following the golden rule is one of the most important things a person can do.

I also think if you cannot say anything nice then one should not say anything at all.

Save perhaps the debate forums where people should be able to state an opinion on an issue, but still there is no need to be rude. One can have differing views without resorting to name calling or dismissing someone because they are not as much of an intellectual as one perceives themselves.

I think that Christians and other religious people too should be included in not facing discrimination. Also those who choose not to believe. No one should be called any hate words. No hate words should be allowed at all.

I know people will make mistakes, but instead of getting warnings maybe it could be that a person who breaks a rule should have to spend a week or two of not being able to post on the forums. Then they might think twice the next time they are too harsh with someone.

No one should ever have to feel bullied here at Subeta. It should be as it is for me a place of refuge to have fantasy. I can dress like a princess, go to the balls, have my flock of Festers and my Dickie_Twinkles Kerubi and read them books, train them, have them move up in their jobs and fight battle quests etc.

I think the guidelines are well written. I agree with them.

I have a problem of knowing just where to post things sometimes. It is a lot different than it was when I posted in the forums with the little green user icon. I really appreciate it when the staff does not get onto me. Most of them are just absolutely accommodating.

I do hope I was some help. <3

I don't have time to read all the posts so sorry if I'm just reiterating what's already been said but [li]I definitely agree on the able-ism points on the front page, reading, memory and social problems seem to be an obvious target for the less understanding. [li]Guidelines over rules: some of these honestly scare me, I have a really problem with wording things, and if I was paid for every time I thought I was being friendly and/or polite and was told I was being rude (or outright sworn at) I'd be a lot more wealthy ¬_¬; that's happened to me a number of times on here, and off site, currently the guides make me think that if I step on the wrong toes I'm going to get booted off the forums, simply for having piss poor social skills, and this ties into my first point, it'd be nice to see this encourage establishing that everyone is on the same page, or at least to reassure people that they can talk with staff if they believe it's simply a misunderstanding etc... while I love the idea of this, atm it's putting me off, I have enough issues socializing as it is = for me ignoring or just dealing with negativity is a lot less stressful than worrying that I'm going to be punished for it myself.

I guess what I'm saying is that problems should be addressed, not pushed aside or outright punished and that's the feeling I'm getting from this at the moment.

(The cynical sod in me also wants to point out that most people aren't actually aware of their prejudices, so it's very hard to think 'I won't say this, it's [blank]ist', jokes are one thing, it doesn't take a genius to work out that making a cruel joke at the expense of a demographic is likely to annoy someone, but more ingrained prejudices are harder to avoid or even understand without discussing it with someone.)

I'm really liking these new guidelines! They're easy to read and get right to the point. I also appreciate that it mentions being polite in regards to other people's suggestions/ideas/kittens. Hopefully this'll tone down on some of the appalling behaviour that crops up from time to time in places like the Suggestions forum.

Probably my favorite part right here. I've seen a fair handful of folks around here who think they have the right to say whatever they want to with no consequences because they're "just being honest," when they're only being rude or hurtful. Between this and the Fair Play line, I'm glad to see there's something in place against attitudes like those now.

Also, kinda glad to see the Debate forums might possibly be deleted. I try to avoid it as much as possible anyway.

There are a lot of rude people on this site, unfortunately, users and admins alike. Even though I have found numerous polite and kind users here, the amount of jerks has outnumbered them. Because of that I usually avoid the forums unless it's a simple conversation/ thread. But I think taking this step is a good example of forward progress. I think it's long overdue.

I read the guidelines a couple of times, and they look very good to me!

I think it's a good start. I really like the images next to the guidelines. It helps cheer it up and breaks it into bite-size bits.

Regarding the "Don't Be That Guy" section, though, I've always liked the short and sweet "critique the post/idea, not the poster" concept, and I'm not sure that concept is very clearly articulated (and that seems like the most appropriate section for it).

What not to put in the post is well explained, but there's a lot of very personal attacking that goes on in all sorts of threads that don't cross any of the "bad topic" lines and I'm not sure that's addressed clearly enough, since it's one of the things that definitely changes the tone of a thread/forum.

Edit: I guess it's kind of addressed in a broad way through the whole set of guidelines, although I kind of wish it was more clearly explicated. :)

I think it's pretty good. I feel like maybe the sticky/rule topics of each forum are a better place to be more detailed about certain rules. 99% of the time, the various forums in Chit Chat and Debate are going to be where people are encountering hate speech, so I think it's better to remain concise on a blanketed rule guide. Does Subeta still have some sort of pop-up notification when forum rules are updated? I could have sworn it did a long time ago. Even if I'm thinking of another site, maybe it would be a good thing to use for certain forums?

The help forums are great and I feel like they should be the first step anyone takes to getting their questions answered, but it might also be good to add something about encouraging users to utilize the ticket system rather than offering answers that they're uncertain about. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some influx of that for a little while after this from those hoping to get the Helper achievement.

I think this new set of guidelines are great. They are well written, easy to understand and takes most everything in to account that are concerns here. They have a pleasant feel and look to them and I really like that you made mention of us older users who for whatever reason may not know all the ins and outs of the site and still need a little bit of help. Good job guys, I really like this.

So basically my first post was very wordy, but the bottom line is that:

YES, I think these are great guidelines and I'm glad to see so many people responding and many have mentioned how there are people here who are rude and unkind and I agree with what others are saying about those rude folks.

I hope these new guidelines will make a difference and people will think before they speak in the future, cause subeta is a great site and it's sad when people don't feel safe talking in public.

It's a wonderful guideline, but it's a pity that being kind to people has to be pointed out. :( (just think it should be a given, but I guess I'm old lol) Unfortunately with the computer era, people tend to act differently sometimes when they're behind a monitor than they would if they were out in public. I understand though that it needs to be stated along with what consequences not following them would bring. It's really nice that you're also giving recognition to those that do help out around the site. :)

I like that these rules are a good general reminder for people to treat each other with a little respect, and they're pretty entertaining at times too. :) I've been on the forums more often than not since joining Subeta a little over two years ago, and I honestly don't see many issues with users being disrespectful toward one another. I know this happens, but it seems like onsite bullying is pretty much specific to a handful of the same users. The forums overall have been a nice place to voice an opinion in my experience (even if the shared opinion is not a popular one, I don't see many people cross the line from debating a point to being blatantly rude). I do think that if users are going to be banned for violations of these specific rules though, they should probably be hammered out in a bit more detail considering how much real life money goes into some people's accounts. I hate to say that since really, how many people don't genuinely know what it means to treat another person with respect? Out of the interest of protecting Subeta from naysayers down the road when people who've paid good money into their accounts do get a ban though, that would be my one suggestion.

It might also be beneficial to emphasize that people are not to abuse the ticket system either by reporting matters simply because they don't like what someone else has to say. I'd like to believe people wouldn't start reporting users who simply disagree with their perspectives, but unfortunately we all know that's a possibility as well. I'm not sure how much it may be necessary to address that possibility, but it may be worth considering.

I like the draft of the guidelines you've come up with especially where it pertains to how we treat each other on this site.

I love these rules! Short, sweet, to the point, and all great rules that I agree with.

I was also nervous about posting in the forums, but I'm lucky enough to only have had good experiences so far (although I've only posted in about 3 sections, so I guess my exposure has been limited).

I would like to request that people not be allowed to give their shops crude and vulgar names either - there are 2 shops in particular that I'm thinking of. I understand that Subeta is for older players, and I appreciate the freedom given to us here - but that's no reason to be needlessly vulgar, especially with something like a shop name that shows up in the shop search, where people who don't like it can't avoid seeing it. I was questing once when a family member came to speak to me, and after they left I realized one of those shops was open in another tab, and the name was visible at the top. No idea if the family member saw it and what they thought I was looking at if they did -_-;

The guidelines look good to me. Clear and straightforward.

OH ALSO ! The way they are presented is very nice. It flows well and is very easy to read and comprehend, which is SUPER important, I think !

I support this! I love how the guidelines are written too :D

Hahahaha I saw a ping and thought WHAT DID I DO I'M NICE AND HELPFUL SHUT UP WHY YOU HATE ME Q__Q...

I feel like if anything I'm a good example of even if you never shut up and have a lot to say about nothingeverything that even if you can sometimesoften be really sarcastic and bitter about things, as long as you can still be constructive you'll not only not be banned but you won't (usually...) be ignored either :'D... or y'know the squeaky wheel and all that -cough-

Anyways! Since I'm lazy, I'ma offer the same bit-o-feedback that I originally did.

I still feel like 's second golden rule (silver?) should be if you have nothing nice to say, just maybe it's best if you don't say anything. We've all been there, and super upset about something and that is what it is BUT I think everyone would live a bit longer and sit a bit better if we all just sometimes walk away from things.... hence why I've been trying really hard to keep my thoughts on the cap few and far between n___n because I have a lot I could say about that, far more than I have... but most of it isn't constructive so I don't.

I still feel that's a bit vague, especially when teamed with the "Fair Play" note. Some people have thicker skin than others, and some can be more heated than other people and what I find crude and uncalled for is probably a lot different than what some others would consider it to be. I can easily see it taken as "if someone's rude to you in your opinion, make a ticket and get them banned for being a jerk" while in all reality it could just be that someone didn't agree with them.

A lot of people are also trigger happy when it comes to reporting (and blocking lol) and it makes me rather uncomfortable to see it look like they've been given a golden ticket to report away for anything that isn't rainbows and unicorns. It's also a waste of time for UAs to deal with endless reports for petty stuff like someone calling me she instead of they (yes I know, that's rude however I don't in any way shape or form believe that should constitute a warning when it could have been a case of looking at a HA and assuming) or for not agreeing with them on a board. I really want to see the bit about reporting either removed, or explained more (ie: a literal verbal attack on your person like I'ma hunt you down and shoot you if you talk to me again, or people named Andrea are so disgusting you make me sick just being on the same site as me). I WOULD ALSO REALLY LIKE TO SEE A FOOT NOTE ABOUT CRYING WOLF-- MAKING SEVERAL TICKETS ABOUT USERS WHO'VE ACTUALLY DONE NOTHING WRONG CAN RESULT IN A WARNING FOR TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN TROUBLE FOR NOTHING + WASTING UAs TIME.

I'd like to see, I dunno.. some foot note about not everyone will agree with you.. and not everyone has to (and visa versa). Friendly discussions are always encouraged because people see things differently and that's what makes a community flourish (if everyone had the same frame of mind, we'd never move from a single path y'know) and it's good to ask questions and offer insight as long as you're being respectful to the PERSON even if you're mean to an IDEA-- ie: I see what you're getting at, but there's so many loopholes that could be exploited (list some) that I really don't' want to see this happen verses this idea is stupid and you're stupid for making it. Big difference, and depending on the person either might be hurtful. I like that its noted that staff are included (because y'all are people too xD).

Andddd also, this might just be me speaking but I'd like a note about blocking everyone who doesn't think like you isn't much better than verbally attacking/talking down to anyone who didn't (thanks to the people who agree with me, shame on everyone else for being awful) (yes sometimes people are awful and sometimes people just aren't agreeing). Because I see a lot of that, with both not so great ideas and ideas that have potential but the OP just seems to ignore everyone who isn't agreeing which isn't very productive either.

There needs to be a note about the debate forum being offlimits too, because that is like the number one spot things can get heated and thicker skin is a must (number two being the suggestion forum haha).

Have fun reading all that hahaha see what you get for pinging me

Sounds great! I like how they are precise and not a long thing no one would read. Great job! =D Peace and love for a better place!