I don't know if this has been mentioned already or if it is even a concern, but I'd make it a point to emphasize that heated debate (as in intense debate over something or another, not necessarily anything serious) is okay so long as it doesn't cross the line into any rude territory such as namecalling, any of the -ists or -isms, etc.

I hope that made sense. I just see a lot of heated debate on another site I'm on and sometimes the admins can be quite unclear with their TOS when it comes to forum behavior. It's kinda scary to say much of anything on those forums, tbh. â—‹wâ—‹;;

I really like the idea of a poke. Idk how that works on facebook (I don't partake) but in relation to subeta I think that's a really good idea-- especially for MMs. Even more especially when it comes to Feedback, Suggestions, B&C, and Debate (assuming it stays, which I think it should.. it serves it's purpose very well) boards where it's pretty common to get at least one "Hey guys this is a post to remind you to calm down and breath", if not several before the entire board is shut down.

It might be more effective that way, and it might help to let people know their actions are being taken rudely too, even if they don't mean it that way.

Everyplace I have played at and most games have a code of conduct to follow. I don't see any difference from your guidelines then I did others except you reward those that stick to the guidelines where a lot of games won't. They simply call it a rule breaker to go against and it will be a ban after a certain amount of trolling.

They seem fair to me. It would be nice to know however what someone can do that would disagree if told they are not following the code of conduct. Is there a committee to look upon request if this happens? I would hate to see some griefer not liking another and using this code.

I guess I live in a blissfully ignorant little bubble because I totally thought Subeta's members were intelligent to take these a given, assuming they're familiar with the actual set in stone rules of the site. But then, I pretty much stay out of the areas where there's drama...

AND, I don't see the necessity of rewarding good behavior. But if it helps cut down on some of the BS then I'm all for it.

A quote my high school EMT teacher was fond of: "Common Sense isn't so common." The guidelines are, more or less, common sense things.

The vagueness of these guidelines can (maybe will) make or break them. On one hand, they can cover a wider range of things while still being short, sweet, and to the point. On the other, they're very open to interpretation which I'm sure will cause the fur to fly so to speak. Like the "Don't Be That Guy" could really be taken as 'don't be sarcastic' or 'make sure to fluff up the truth' (though I have several shining examples of this rule irl I try not to be like).

I wish I could explain this better. :/ I can never seem to actually convey my thoughts/understanding properly. Which is part of the reason I don't really frequent the forums (forums anywhere tbh) or the SB as much as I use to. Between being sarcastic and an inability to efficiently explain or convey an idea/thought, it just wasn't worth the frustration or worry that someone would take it the wrong way.

...I hope this made sense. I'm tired and 50 minutes overdue for bedtime, but wanted to try to be helpful.

now that the link to the guidelines actually works, it seems to be a perfectly reasonable set of guidelines. Thanks very much for the continued work trying to build a great community!

"These guidelines for conduct apply to not only your interactions with other users, but also to your interactions with members of staff. " I especially agree with this point, because sometime the level of rudeness towards the staff in general and Keith in particular is awful. When giving a feedback on something you don't appreciate on the site there is NO reason to be a jerk! I don't understand why it's so difficult for some folks to say "I don't like this feature, I would like for Keith/programmers to concentrate on this and this" instead of "Yo Keith, you suck big time, learn to do your job!". Seriously people, not cool -___-''

I support this. I think it will help with a lot of the problems.

It is simple and to the point.

Not too wordy.

I like it :)

Heya! I know this one's already been bought up, but the first guideline could definitely use some extra clarification. "Negative attitude" seems too big a blanket term. What does that entail, exactly?

I do like the Golden Rule, though, I'm always of a mindset that feedback doesn't have to be "positive" so long as it doesn't outright spit in the face of the person getting it. And I've seen a few examples of... shall we say "harsh" critiques that have been a little too much on the "harsh" side without so much the "critique" side. Never been on the receiving end of it, myself, but I suspect it doesn't feel nice.

Beyond that, everything seems to have already been covered from my perspective, outside of the "negative attitude" vagueness. That whole first section looks incredibly small compared to the rest.

These guidlelines are clear and straightforward. Users of any age will be able to comprehend their meaning.

I haven't found my place on any particular forum here, but participating in forums on other sites, I like these rules. They can be referenced in needed for someone who needs a reminder, and worse offenders can be reported as well. I have noticed there are many helpful people here already.

How do I sign up for a ping group? I guess I forgot. I searched for siteupdate in groups but the search isn't working at all. Nothing happens.

The guidelines are clear and wonderful simply worded, so someone who doesn't have English as a first language can understand and that's a great thing! Also rewards for following the guidelines is a great thing, now you have a reason to follow them, other than "just breaking them, there's no other option". Badly worded, but I hope you understand.

I really like the community guidelines thing. Only issue I see is getting some people to actually follow it. I can think of a few people who will not be able to follow this very well. I am still apprehensive about using the forums on this site because most of my interactions in the forums has been negative. If this does help, then I may be more inclined to chat in the forums.

Seems like a pretty good set of guidelines to me! Like others, I'm really not one to use the forums out of unease (and generally not being that social a person), so I can't say much on that, but it seems like this should be helpful to those who do use them.

Oh boy. Here we go. Gonna become the land of sugar coating "Don't hurt the feels!" soon! LOL

And, by "other phobias" you're opening a pretty large door, unless you seriously mean that I could report someone who tells me about the giant snake they killed/the only good snake is a dead snake (as I view that akin to telling someone how much they love to kill dogs or cats). Its a phobia. Ophidiophobia. Somehow, I doubt that is what you mean there, though.

Looks good to me, a reminder to be kind and positive is something everyone needs once in a while.

First of all, these are very sensible guidelines, and, as a statement of general Subeta policy, they work well. Still, I've had a chance now to read over most of the comments, and I find myself agreeing in some degree with several posters.

is totally right on most of it, especially for those of us who did run with that baggage, and one of the most refreshing and enduring assets of Subeta is that this site has never resembled the other.

Which sends me to the other side of this, as beautifully expressed by , in that these could quickly lead not only to misunderstandings, but also to abuse and UAs with an added burden. Not everyone has the same degree of social skills, and even those with very good skills can always find those who find them offensive in some way as well.

It's a bit of a slippery slope here. and maybe a step too close to the "other place" for me to feel comfortable with the vagueness. Consideration and common sense shouldn't have to need codification, but unfortunately they often do. To me and for me, though, most of the Subetans here are beyond nice, and I have never, and I repeat never, been badly treated by any staff member. (And I've made a couple of off-the-wall tickets due to my own errors.)

Overall, though, I can't find fault with the idea or the concept behind it, so it's a good start in my opinion.

the link to the guidelines actually works, it seems to be a perfectly reasonable set of guidelines.I feel that they are more than fair and very thoughtful. The link is working fine for me . Thank you for always being vigilant on keeping the site up. I Love Subeta ,it is a ton of fun and I have met some Wonderful people through here that are great friends now!

There was some question a few pages ago concerning the appropriateness of the word "gross"

I think it is actually perfect. Yes, gross can and does have sophomoric implications e.g. nose-picking, or butt yodeling. But it also implies the largeness of the unwelcome behavior i.e "gross understatement" or "gross miscarriage of justice"

To me, this usage implies that this code is not intended to nitpick every two-cent little thing, but to control glaring acts harmful to the community in general.