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Sep 2, 2023 2 years ago
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I think the biggest problem with the fixed healing on RiWOD is that I think the main role for RiWOD wasn&;t that it was a T6 attacker/healer, but that it was a gateway weapon into battling.
THIS! I'm seeing more viable cheap options in the lower tiers so far. I think that part of the revamp is to have that happen with all the tiers by the end. So you may not need to buy RiWOD at tier 6 because there are lots of alternatives for decent tier 6 weapons.

I'm not sure this is going to make battling more appealing overall if you "have" to buy a new weapon set for every tier as your pet grows. It may end up being infinity cheaper to buy a ton of cheapo tier specific weapons but if people feel like it costs more because they "have" to buy weapons more often then that's counter productive. It also sounds like a pain in the ass and will make the learning curve even higher as people have to figure out or be told what to buy for every tier. Given that people already feel like battling is too expensive and hard to learn I'm not sure this is the best route.

It's early days and it's hard to judge only part way through a huge revamp. Hope by the end my assessment is wrong.

Rocketlauncher He said the challengers would be tweaked as needed once the weapon revamp is finished. This may all be clearered up once the challengers are made to match the weapons. Guess time will tell.


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Sep 3, 2023 2 years ago
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Here are the next CC ones! I still have a few more to look at, but I wanted to get his weapons back :P

Melody Flute (when paired with Melody Tam-tam) :block:magma:17 or 25 :block🧊17 or 25 :block:dark:17 or 25 :heal: 35 HP

Melody Tam-tam (when paired with Melody Flute) :block:light:17 or 25 :block:earth:17 or 25 :block🔥17 or 25 :heal: 35 HP


Conch Shell This weapon looks like it has two separate attacks with equal chance of either happening :dmg:earth:10 :dmg:light:8-10 :dmg:water:8-10 :block:dark:15 or :dmg:dark:10 :dmg🔥8-10 :dmg:magma:8-10 :block:light:15


Goose-a-pult Mother Goose (Curse | 10 rounds) :dmg:physical:1 :dmg:earth:3 :dmg:wind:1


Recycled Shield (when paired with Recycled Sword) :block:physical:4-9 :block🔥5-10 :block:dark:5 or 7-9 :block:earth:3 or 9 :block🧊7-11 :block:light:2 or 11 :block:magma:8 :block:water:0-22 :block:wind:0 or 9 or 11

Recycled Sword (when paired with Recycled Shield) :dmg:physical:4 :dmg🔥4-5 :dmg:dark:4 :dmg:earth:4-5 :dmg🧊4 :dmg:light:4 :dmg:magma:4-5 :dmg:water:4 :dmg:wind:4-5


Slythe and Dice (when paired with Dark Matter Dice) :dmg:dark:38 :block:light:11 Note: I'm not sure if the coding here might be slightly broken. When I pair it with a Dark Matter Dice in my set before battle, I get the :dmg:dark:38. But when I use it with one of the generated dice, I get :dmg:dark:27 or 30. That doesn't seem like it's supposed to happen, but IDK. Also, it seems to always generate three Dark Matter Dice now.

Dark Matter Dice (when paired with Slythe and Dice) :dmg🔥5-7 :dmg:dark:7 :dmg🧊7 :dmg:light:7 :dmg:wind:5-7 :heal: 40 HP Note: This coding does not appear to be broken :P If the dice is equipped beforehand or generated, it still has the enhanced stats.


Forj Tempered Hauberk (when paired with Forj Tempered Pauldron, Forj Tempered Tassets, and Forj Tempered Vambraces) :block🧊8-9 :block:earth:7-8 :block:wind:8-9 :block:dark:8-9 :block🔥6-7 :block:magma:6-7 :heal: 65 HP

Sep 3, 2023 2 years ago
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Thank you - we didn't have the Life Arrowhead listed as taking the healer on SL but I did double-check to be sure!

Thank you for those updates! I started with those for fixing the stats on SL haha!

I see the * next to Malerias Clawed Glove and also the note after so I'm assuming there's no additional custom coding?

Also Frost Quill seems like it's stats didn't change? I have blocking of 50 fire and attacks of 10 each for wind and water and 15 for ice which is what I had before.


And testing help to anyone please:

Dragon Soul - I don't have one to test CC. SL shows 4 tiers of attack/defense:

dragon soul custom coding current info needs updating Attack 1: Attack: 4-6 ice, 4-6 water, 3-5 earth, 3-5 wind, 2 magma (16-24 icons) Defense: 5-7 fire, 5-7 magma

Attack 2: Attack: 4-6 fire, 6-8 magma, 3-5 earth, 3-5 wind (16-22 icons) Defense: 5-7 ice, 5-7 water Other: Heal: 5-9%

Attack 3: Attack: 4-6 ice, 6 water, 3-4 earth, 3 wind, 2 magma (18-21 icons) Defense: 5 fire, 7 magma Other: Freezes Opponent

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Sep 3, 2023 2 years ago
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After many years on Subeta I&;m still not familiar with the battle system but I have tried to figure it out a few times and at tier one there don&;t seem to be many good weapon options or opponents. It seems like I will be stuck battling the opponents with common less interesting rewards until I&;ve spent however many months training a pet to the top tier and searched Subeta far and wide for &;decent&; weapons before I have a chance at defeating the enemies that drop rewards that feel rewarding.</p>
<p>But that is just my impression from the lowly tier 1. Not sure if any of this is in your control but overall I&;m looking forward to any change. I really hope there will be at least some kind of advice from Jim or someone else at the training center to help people who are new. Especially since when this is complete we will all be a little new to it. Just some text would be great. I don&;t think I would enjoy having to work through a tutorial.

so this is old and kinda off topic but I don't see any answers to this.

Use the training centre, spend CSC and Autotrain. My battle pet started out at T3 just because she did all the auto-training necessary to become a SAI Deputy Director, she's a Director now. Obviously the billions of books you must read to get in SAI don't help that much but training your pet to the strength, level, etc, to advance in those high-powered jobs will get you there to T3 without having to have too many boring fights.


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Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago Official
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The * simply means a weapon has custom coding, doesn't mean I made any changes to it! If changes are made, you will see that in the notes for the weapon.

Hmm. Weird. I swore I changed Frost Quill. Minor updates: Frost Quill - +50% freeze chance The Oracles Magic Potion - +75 heal *Reborn Icewand of Doom - Now has CC! Some small scaling for tiers 7 and 8!

And the rest of T6! Pylot War Hammer - D ↑ Outback Kukri - D ↑ *Frozen Ocean Curl - CC chance ↑, freeze chance ↓ Legendary Luchador Cape and Mask - D ↑ Crescent Fishtail Blades - D ↑ Lightbulb Nunchucks - D ↑ *Shards of Space and Time - D ↑, CC chance ↑ BeeBee Gun - +D, Curse chance ↑ *Cherry Blossom Scythe - D ↑ Broodmother Talon - D ↑, heal ↔ Savage Skull Splitter - D ↑ *Flayed Lord Breastplate - Bad CC removed, good part stays! *Hard Earth Battle Hammer - D ↑ Ytivan Harpoon Gun - A ↔? Mallarchy Tooth Katar - D ↑ Shadow Fists - A, ↑, D ↑, +heal Butcherbeak - D ↑ Pandoras Box - D ↑, + blessing, + curse

Tier changes (This will be very infrequent!): Malerias Amulet - A ↑, D ↑, Heal ↔, tier ↑ T8 Omen Stone Bow - D ↑, tier ↑ T7 (Did I mis-tier this innitially? Oops)

Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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Sorry, I missed that one since it didn't have an asterisk :P

Dragon Soul After playing around with this one I think it actually has just two attacks that have an equal chance of occuring. At least, I couldn't find any meaningful difference between the freezing and nonfreezing turns, which leads me to believe they're both part of the same attack.

:dmg🧊4-6 :dmg:water:4-6 :dmg:earth:3-5 :dmg:wind:3-5
:block🔥9-10 :block:magma:9-10
Chance to freeze: 33%
or :dmg🔥4-6 :dmg:magma:4-6 :dmg:earth:3-5 :dmg:wind:3-5
:block🧊9-10 :block:water:9-10
:heal: 55 HP 75 HP

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Cursed Bow

Tier 6
Tier 7
Tier 8+
:dmg:dark:18-22 :dmg:wind:9
:block:earth:13
:dmg:dark:22-26 :dmg:wind:12
:block:earth:20
:dmg:dark:17-21 :dmg:wind:12
:block:earth:30


Reborn Icewand of Doom

Tier 7
Tier 8
:block🔥7-8 :block🧊7-8 :block:magma:7-8 :block:water:7-8
:heal: 95 HP
:block🔥8 :block🧊8 :block:magma:8 :block:water:8
:heal: 120 HP


Shards of Space and Time Second attack (20% chance of occurring) :dmg:dark:3 :dmg🧊3 :dmg:wind:3 :block🧊40 :block:dark:40 100% chance to freeze

(The first attack appears to have a very low chance to freeze as well)


Pandoras Box

Hope (Blessing | 2 rounds)
:block:dark:12
:heal: 35 HP

20% activation rate
Death (Curse | 3 rounds)
:dmg:dark:20

5% activation rate

Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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Wow the healing on that sucks. Who is in charge of these changes?! (I bumped the heal a bit)

Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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😂

I had to re-borrow it to find the new heal 😭

Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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Ooh, so flayed Breastplate no longer has the chance to block nothing? Nice. Thank you for changing up the RIWOD! Now it can continue to survive in my set for my T7s! Love the boost to Shards, it's one of my favorites.

i hope we'll see Omen Stone Bow RS in the Crystal Shop soon so we can play with it! It's been MIA since 2018. ;)

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Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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Okay cool, than you for the clarification about the * haha. I thought that's what it meant but my brain has been extra tired lately! Question about the Cherry Blossom Scythe - the custom coding has a % heal (or did) - is that still a percent or was it changed to a fixed number?

Thank you for those updates for the custom coding! The cursed bow is so funny - T7 is clearly the best tier for that weapon haha. I have made all of the updates to SL so far.

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Still 33% and full block

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Sep 4, 2023 2 years ago
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Oh perfect, thank you for checking!

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Sep 5, 2023 2 years ago Official
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Fixed the cursed bow, Tiers got mixed up!

T7 is complete! Minus the legendary combos. Still gotta come up with something cool for them.

*Forest Blade - A ↑, D ↑, CC ↑ Reflection Blade - A ↑, D ↑ *Turkey Quill - D ↑, +healing cap *Recycled Sword - A ↑, CC ↑ Ultra Star Rod - A ↑, D ↑ Turbo Heater 2000 - A ↑, D ↑, +1 mod slot Light Sword of Justice - D ↑, D boost ↑ *Ignitious - A ↑, CC ↑ *Pandemonium - A ↑, CC ↑ Dark Staff of Chaos - D ↑ Whapping Stick - A ↔, +D, +1 mod slot Battle Crow - D ↑ Black Runeblade - A ↑, D ↑ Pirate Cutlass - A ↑, D ↑, CC removed, Curse chance ↑ Helm of Six Fangs - A ↑, D ↑, CC removed, Curse chance ↑ Lightly Feathered Blowgun - A ↑, D ↑, +1 mod slot Pale Floral Hand Cannon - A ↑, D ↑, +1 mod slot Wyrmgears Horns - D ↑ Shinwas Hand Mirror - D ↑, Heal ↑ *Steel Throwing Darts - +D, CC ↑ Plasma Rifle - D ↑ *Holy Rosary - CC ↑ Hope I didn't break it :x Music Note Axe - D ↑ Twisted Rift Blade - D ↑, Heal ↑ *Thorny Rose Dagger - D ↑, CC ↑, Heal ↔, ignores heal Ultra Keen Eye Drops - D ↑, Heal ↔, ignores heal Fruit Bone Dagger - +D Recovered Relic Hammer - +D *Arrow Harpoon - +D, CC ↑ *Bloodied Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun with Machete - A ↑, CC ↑ *Featherweight Axe of Gusts - D ↑, CC ↑ *Comet Flash - D ↑, CC ↑ *Beanstalk Whip - D ↑, CC ↑ *Little Chopper - D ↑, CC ↑ Shengui Guo Legeica Horn - D ↑ *Panzer Hydra Blade - D ↑, CC ↑ Flintlock Sword - A ↔, D ↑ Coda Crystal Axe - D ↑ *Scythe of the Widow - A ↑, D ↑, CC ↑ *Golden Brooch - CC ↑

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Mwhuahaha, I saw what you were doing Purge. :p

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Sep 5, 2023 2 years ago
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Cursed Bow ( fixed)

Tier 6
Tier 7
Tier 8+
:dmg:dark:18-22 :dmg:wind:9
:block:earth:13
:dmg:dark:17-21 :dmg:wind:12
:block:earth:20
:dmg:dark:22-26 :dmg:wind:12
:block:earth:30

Forest Blade (when paired with Forest Armor and Forest Shield) :dmg:physical:12-15 :dmg:earth:13-15 :dmg:water:12-13


Recycled Sword (when paired with Recycled Shield) :dmg:physical:8 :dmg🔥4-5 :dmg:dark:4 :dmg:earth:4-5 :dmg🧊4 :dmg:light:6 :dmg:magma:4-5 :dmg:water:4 :dmg:wind:6


Ignitious (when paired with Pandemonium) :dmg:physical:10 :dmg:wind:7 :dmg:water:7 :dmg:dark:10 :block🧊75

Pandemonium (when paired with Ignitious) :dmg:physical:10 :dmg:earth:7 :dmg🔥7 :dmg:dark:10 :block:magma:75


Steel Throwing Darts

:dmg🔥1 :dmg:dark:1 :dmg:light:1 :dmg:wind:30
:block:magma:15
or
:dmg:wind:25 :dmg🔥7 :dmg:light:7
:block:magma:15
or
:dmg:wind:25 :dmg:light:9 :dmg🔥9
:block:magma:40

Holy Rosary (Blessing and healing [no cap] are the same) Rotates through three different defenses:

:block🔥100 :block:dark:25 :block🧊25 or :block:dark:100 :block🔥25 :block🧊25 or :block🧊100 :block🔥25 :block:dark:25

Thorny Rose Dagger (when paired with Sunset Rose Shield) :dmg:physical:10 :dmg:earth:10 :dmg🔥8 :dmg:dark:8 :block:light:30 :heal: 80 HP


Arrow Harpoon

< 1,500 Speed
1,500-1,999 Speed
AND Speed > Defense
2,000-2,999 Speed
AND Speed > Defense
3,000+ Speed
AND Speed > Defense
Poke!
Stab!
POWER STAB!
Base stats
:dmg:earth:10-11 :dmg:water:12 :dmg🧊9
:block:magma:12
:heal: 150 HP
:dmg:earth:11-12 :dmg:water:16 :dmg🧊10
:block:magma:12
:heal: 250 HP
:dmg:earth:12 :dmg:water:18 :dmg🧊12
:block:magma:12
:heal: 350 HP


Bloodied Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun with Machete Second attack: :dmg:physical:25 :dmg:dark:10 :dmg🔥10 :block:physical:50

Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun with Machete Second attack: :dmg:physical:20 :dmg:dark:10 :dmg🔥10 :block:physical:17


Featherweight Axe of Gusts

< 1,500 Speed
1,500-1,999 Speed
2,000-2,499 Speed
2,500+ Speed
Base stats
:dmg:wind:30-32 :dmg:physical:3
:block:wind:50
:heal: 150 HP
:dmg:wind:31-34 :dmg:physical:5
:block:wind:60
:heal: 200 HP
:dmg:wind:34-39 :dmg:physical:7
:block:wind:80
:heal: 300 HP

Comet Flash

< 1,600 Defense
1,600-1,999 Defense
2,000-2,499 Defense
2,500+ Defense
Base stats
:dmg:physical:10-13 :dmg:light:14-22
:block:dark:55

:dmg:physical:12-18 :dmg:light:17-24
:block:dark:65

:dmg:physical:13-18 :dmg:light:18-25
:block:dark:70
:heal: 125 HP

Beanstalk Whip

Tier 7
Tier 8
Tier 9+
Base stats
:dmg:physical:10-15 :dmg:dark:6-7 :dmg:earth:12-13
:block:physical:15 :block:earth:20
:heal: 70 HP
:dmg:physical:12-16 :dmg:dark:9 :dmg:earth:15
:block:physical:15 :block:earth:20
:heal: 70 HP
(The blessing is actually three turns) said on Discord that it has like a 90% chance to do the scaled stats above and then a 10% chance to revert back to the base stats. I never was able to get the rare attack to activate 😦


Little Chopper

< 1,250 Strength
1,250-1,499 Strength
1,500-1,999 Strength
2,000+ Strength
Base stats
:dmg:dark:10 :dmg🔥10 :dmg🧊14
:block:earth:35
:dmg:dark:11 :dmg🔥11 :dmg🧊16
:block:earth:55
:dmg:dark:13 :dmg🔥13 :dmg🧊16
:block:earth:75

Panzer Hydra Blade

Tier 7
Tier 8
Tier 9
Tier 10+
Base stats
:dmg:physical:7-9 :dmg:earth:7-9 :dmg🔥7-9
:block:light:30
:heal: 100 HP
:dmg:physical:9-11 :dmg:earth:9-11 :dmg🔥9-11
:block:light:45
:heal: 125 HP
:dmg:physical:11-12 :dmg:earth:11-12 :dmg🔥11-12
:block:light:75
:heal: 150 HP

Scythe of the Widow (Second attack is activated after speed is boosted by a total of 50 points or more) :dmg:dark:15 :dmg🔥10 :dmg:physical:6-12 :block🔥50 :heal: 60-90 HP


Golden Brooch

(when paired with Golden Goddess Shield) (when paired with Golden Goddess Shield
+ Corrupted Shadow Sword)
:dmg:light:35
:block🔥15 :block:dark:15 :block:earth:15
:dmg:light:40
:block🔥40 :block:dark:40 :block:earth:40

Sep 6, 2023 2 years ago
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Thank you so much for that info so far! is also working on sorting out the Arrow Harpoon and has provided me with info on some of the others though they seem to be a bit difficult to track what their scaling. Ones that need more info: Beanstalk Whip, Panzer Hydra Blade (no T9 pet to test with, have T8 and T10 & up), and Little Chopper (no T9 pet to test with - believe it scales by tier).

Thanks for the fix to the Cursed Bow! That one really is living up to it's name haha. Annoying questions: - I don't understand what healing cap means for Turkey Quill. It has the same healing stats as before (3-27%) as far as I can tell. I'm also not sure what you mean by "ignores heal" for the Thorny Rose Dagger & Ultra Keen Eye Drops Lightly Feathered Blowgun says it had it's attack raised but it looks the same to me as before (showing 13-20 Wind, 10 Earth, 7-10 Light).


Does anyone know what the adjusted Defense Boost is for the Light Sword of Justice?

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Sep 6, 2023 2 years ago
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Thank you for your reply! :) I do occasionally use the Autotrain but I try to only use CSC I found in the bathhouse. Since my primary goal is a specific job title for each pet I'm trying to level multiple pets not just one 'battle' pet it just adds up. If the battle system didn't seem like some kind of esoteric knowledge and I cared about the rewards from lower level bosses I would be more motivated. But so far as I can tell you need to be really high tier to defeat the bosses that drop nice books, HA items or anything else of value. I know that isn't what is currently being worked on but knowing progress is being made is makes me hopeful that there will be more good options to choose from in the future. Especially affordable ones.

Thank you all for working to improve the battle system!

🌟YAY!!! I finally reached 5000 food items! My ultimate goal is 9000. 🌟
My first Gourmand pet would appreciate anything from this list that looks yummy.
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Sep 6, 2023 2 years ago
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From your list I just need:

Beanstalk Whip (no idea how this scales or if there are more than the two alternate attacks we have listed but I have the updated info I do have on SL already if that helps) Little Chopper with Tier 9 pet Panzer Hydra Blade with Tier 9 pet Golden Brooch with Golden Goddess Shield and Corrupted Shadow Sword (I have the shield but not the sword so I could test the one CC but not the one with all 3 in the lineup)

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Sep 6, 2023 2 years ago
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Sorry, I posted early because I didn't want to accidentally lose my work. Everything should be up in the post now <3

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Brooch blocks 40 earth, 40 fire and 40 dark, attack is 40 light, when used with sword and shield.

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