Sorry, I got confused xD I just realised that I also use JS for dropdowns, though it's more to make them different on mobile views. Legacy code with MVC? Wow, that's more than I expected! We had to overhaul our whole website-making-system for MVC... I think it took the programmers about half a year to redo the backend (we have a custom CMS that had to be rewritten). Either way, I wish you the best of luck with the rewrite! And lots of coffee :3

Do you like do the books (is that the correct English term?) then ?

We are doing our best. One thing you have to realize is that Subeta's always been largely a labor of love... and we've never had more than a handful of devs working on it at once. Right now we have 4 coders and the other 3 have full-time (non-Subeta) jobs. And this is a pretty large number of coders for us xD

Thank you, I just made more coffee as I'm on a roll with my fixes today :D

I know you're doing your best and I hope you realise that I really appreciate what you all do for us ❤ I can't imagine doing this as an extra job, I don't have enough time for all of my hobbies as it is xD Enjoy your coffee! What fixes are you working on right now? Or is that a secret until the next siteupdate?

Going through the P+B forums!

Plus a couple bonus things that will be mentioned in the next site update, yeah :)

the title of my degree is 'associate in science of computer science,' heh. The focus was definitely programming, though— we touched everything from Java to binary, but we barely covered what a stick of RAM was.

Awesome! Can't wait for the next update ❤

Sounds a bit like mine. My degree was (when you translate it to English) "bachelor in applied computer science" with a major in "application development". Though we did see all those things like hardware, networks, databases, binary, programming, all the different models, ... Economics also played a part, so we got bookkeeping for dummies, fiscal & social law and ethics. And French xD

'translate?' Did you go to college in a non-English speaking country, then? Sounds like you got an awesome education.

If I had decided to keep going to school, my focus would have probably been networking— I wanted to go to cyber security and cryptography at the time. (I like numbers!).

Haha, I live in a non-English speaking country =P I live in Belgium! My native language is Dutch. I speak/write/read fluent French & English (or at least I hope it seems fluent), but my German is utter crap. Also, my parents are Chinese so I understand a smattering of Cantonese and Shanghai dialect.

I didn't know that cryptography was to do with networking! We saw simple encryption during maths (like the really simple stuff you can solve with matrices), but I forgot how that worked. The only thing I remembered from those lessons is that your bank account number is special and is calculated, so that if you mistype it, it'll throw an error.

dude that's rad. Ich kann nur ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen. Your English is absolutely fluent-sounding, I never would've known it was a second/third language!

Networking, databases, programming... cryptography and computers go very well together. I was interested in securing networks, so— networking. There's a few colleges in the US that focus on cyber cryptography/security specifically, so you learn a bit of everything. I took a whole math class on matrices and whatnot, and you can come up with some really interesting codes that way!

I managed to read that and I understood what you were saying, but there's no way I could've typed that xD And thank you, it's better than my French though. I still need to work a bit on that, I don't always understand what our French sales are saying, but then again they tend to chatter very quickly.

I'm not super good at math, which is why I took the applied computer science course and not the theoretical computer science course. They're both bachelors in Belgium, but the first is at college and you can get a job straight after, the second is at uni and you're expected to do your masters' afterwards. Are you planning on going back to school?

I studied German for six years in middle and high schools, and then I refined what I knew by talking to the German professor at my college. I'm far from fluent, but I know enough to get by. If I consistently watched, like, a German news station or a German movie with English subtitles, I could probably become more-or-less fluent.

I sucked at math hard until I got a good professor who explained why math was awesome and why I should learn it. I flunked algebra twice in high school but took all the way up to Calculus III in college with A's and B's. But it's definitely not for everyone.

I'm not sure if I'll go back to school yet! I love my job as a dog washer and would love to go to grooming school. Then I could work on commission, save up, build good credit, and go to school on my own merit (instead of taking out loans under my parents' name). There's got to be a job that's computer AND animal related, right?

I like math, and science, but sadly enough I never had good teachers or professors. I did art school during my last two years of high school and most math classes consisted of our teacher going "we'll skip over this, cuz ur all too dumb". Not very motivating. Silly things like the Big Bang Theory show and my boyfriend have gotten me interested in it though! Alas, I don't have the time to learn more about it. It always comes down to time, or my lack thereof =(

Where are you from? I get the impression that most non-EU schools charge an arm and a leg for education. I got a scholarship and did some summer jobs to pay for my education, but in no way did I have to take out a loan for it. The only thing I've ever taken a loan out for, is for buying our house xD You could set up systems for vets + animal shelters maybe? That's computer AND animal related!

that's a shame. My high school teachers were about as awful as that, though, so I get it. If you ever have the time to learn, I'd recommend doing it through Khan Academy— you can learn a bunch of subjects for free, and their math videos are awesome. I used to work as a math tutor, and I recommended KA to my students all the time.

The US! I'm on the east coast, too, which has a lot of great expensive schools. I loaned from a family member instead of the government, but it was still a lot, and I definitely couldn't do it if I was going to a 4-year university. I've thought about that, or else making a new booking system for our salon! The one we use now is terrible, haha.

I've heard of KA before, but I've never actually tried it. I'll add it to my endless list of things to do, though!

It sounds horrible to me that you should have to take out a loan to pay for your education. I've heard of people having to take out loans, getting their education and then having to work 2 jobs just to be able to pay of their debt, never mind being able to pay for their own house.

You should totally do that! And then sell it to all the other salons :3 Definitely add a function where people can make appointments online, that way you don't get swamped with calls for appointments.

KA is the only way I passed physics, to be honest.

Sounds like half the people I graduated with. That also assumes that you're able to get a job out of school— plenty people can't. It's a major reason why I stopped after my associate's; college is a big financial risk, and I was burnt out, so I didn't want to take out a loan on something I wasn't sure I wanted anymore.

Our online booking is soooo broken. It ignores blocked time slots and books dogs with the wrong people (groom dogs to bathers and bath dogs to groomers). It also occasionally loses important information, like a pet's rabies exp. date (which we need to have an animal in our facility, let alone do a service on them).

That really sucks. At least here in Belgium, most of us are able to find jobs right out of school. At least those from my class did. I know that those with a more social-oriented degree (like social worker, teacher, ...) have a harder time of it, because the government did cutbacks for the social sector, but other than that most people can relatively easy get a job once they have their bachelor's degree. Most of my class, myself included, got our jobs before we even graduated, because there's a large demand for IT people.

omg, that sounds awful! You'd almost be better off just doing it the traditional way and note it down in an appointment book. Now you really should make a new booking system :P

well, even in America, job prospects for IT people are looking good! It probably wouldn't have been too hard to get a job at, say, a college's IT department and work my way through school that way. I just decided I was staring at computer screens too much and that I needed a more, eh, handsy job?

There's this really interesting documentary on why college is so expensive in the US, and alternatives people are looking for, if you're interested. It's called Ivory Tower.

The thing is that I work at one of those big-box pet stores. Our booking system is connected to well over 1,000 locations— the theory is that it'll be convenient if someone moves or is on vacation and needs their dog or cat groomed, and convenience is the point of these chain stores. It's definitely not convenient for us, though!

This thread is BUMPIN'.

That device width solution is interesting. I like that you have a good rationale for it!
Indesign is great. I've actually made wireframes in it before, back when I was faster at it than sketch! haha Also, I was considering learning Dutch...

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I actually didn't know that device-width was being depreciated... interesting!

Same! I use the desktop version on mobile, especially for checking my notifications. It shows in reverse order for me on the mobile version. And the news updates show every item on a unique line, rather than next to one another.

The prototype.js and Bootstrap incompatibilities are interesting. Is prototype.js old now? Also, why are you pursuing bootstrap specifically? Just curious. There's so many CSS frameworks, so it can be hard to pick.

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Having a background in cryptography seems to be a really great formula for being a billionaire developer.... ooooor a whistleblower, a la Snowden. Haha

The choice to use Bootstrap wasn't mine, so I'm not qualified to answer that. My boss made that decision - Keith! But he's a pretty amazing coder and knows way more about web dev than I do tbh, so I trust his choice completely. Bootstrap definitely seems like a solid choice moving forward, it's got a lively community, is widely in use, is actively being updated and developed, and it just works well :) Personally I never even heard of Prototype until I joined Subeta, so I'm guessing Prototype is a more dated technology as well.

Yep, Keith knows his stuff! And I agree, Bootstrap seems like a fine choice. Just curious! It does have a lot of stuff that needs to be tweaked, in my experience, but overall it helps you get somewhere quick. I've used it for many quick projects.