She actually very directly said that it was intended to be a reference to an item that was literally used for domestic abuse in a cartoon, she didn't deny anything, only said it was made to be very light-hearted which it obviously was o.O

But domestic abuse shouldn't be made light of. That's kind of the whole point. It's a very serious issue that is still ongoing today, and while jokes between friends may be alright, something on a website with thousands of users from all different sorts of backgrounds isn't the place for it. I know I'm not the only one who this item brings up very, very bad memories for.

, you are the master of whatever our version of subtweeting is here on Subeta, aren't you? Ping me if you are talking to me, please.

And I never said you were ridiculous or "dismissed your struggles," because it is something I knew nothing about. What I said was that I do not understand what sets this item apart from other similarly abusive items except that it is clearly labeled rather than implied in a description… and I find that a little bit hard to get my head around.

But beyond all of that, and I will say it again for what? The third time? I am not opposed to having the item changed, but I expect and I to be given our due diligence so that this item is still a representation of my wedding. I should make clear that I didn't choose for it to be a rolling pin or for it to be a weapon-- I didn't design the item at all. But it is MY item, and just like any new custom item created today, I expect it to stay that way.

Now, you can choose to focus on the fact that I don't understand why it is so offensive given what a popular old trope it is and think I am being dismissive, or you can focus on the fact that I am willing to have it changed. It's up to you.

This.. this reminds me of how I feel when people are like "I'm going to pray for this person who lost their home." or something to that extent... and I'm over here like "Good thing you prayed, or I wouldn't have showed up to actually do something about it." Subeta is a decent place to raise awareness, but if you're just raising awareness are you really contributing or just doing something to make yourself feel like you actually helped?

I personally find the item hilarious, and I think the biggest reason this item is getting any bad rap is because nobody gets older joke references and this generation has to take everything offensively or sexually.. Kind of like how my mother the other day said "He's a tall drink of water!" and all the younger people in the room thought it was inappropriate and sexual instead of just a comment on the man's height. People will find a way to be offended if they can. It's ridiculous, but it's true. =/

Just because its an old trope doesn't make it any less fucked up. And the frying pan is a reference to just being a weapon, as Rapunzel uses it in the movie. Self defense. Its not an item used directly against Flynn. Completely different situations.nnBut since I'm not being heard, or told that I'm being ridiculous for not laughing at domestic abuse, I'm done with this. Its made me physically nauseous. The way people treat actual victims here is astounding in how shitty it is.

If there was a years-old item making a rape joke, would people still think that was okay, as long as it was referencing an old trope? I sure as hell hope not.

At this point, you're just making yourself a victim. If you always let yourself be a victim you let the person who abused you win. I was sexually abused... I still think Family Guy is funny. Because I don't let that make me who I am. You can only be offended by what you let offend you.

Perception is 100% of reality. I could be offended that you have an undead thing in your signature because my dad is dead and I hate thinking that his body resembles something like that right now, but that would probably sound ridiculous to you... but it's as legitimate as your complaints against a pixilated item.

Disclaimer: (I don't legitimately have that problem, and would never ask someone to change something that isn't physically affecting someone in a non-self-induced way.)

Personally I'd rather treat subeta as aside from reality and rather not hear about anyone's real life problems or positives unless I'm specifically talking to them about it. I put this game 100% aside from reality like I do with all games that I play, including ones where I run over prostitutes and shoot cops and steal military jets. They don't give a shit because they're a game and I don't give a shit because I know it's a game and has absolutely NOTHING to do with reality, even though prostitutes do actually get run over and cops do get shot.

That being said, subeta does care more about being progressive obviously, and I think we all have made the specific pros and cons of the items known and it has really just devolved into bickering and personal attacks and defensiveness from their. Stop bickering, make more separate points from the ones already said, or be more succinct about your point if you feel the need, or back out of the conversation, but don't just keep saying the same thing or the person who disagrees with you is going to keep saying the same thing and it's going to keep devolving and most of it has nothing to do with the actual OP.

Maybe we need a new topic where we list items/item names which we don't think fit the fictional Subeta world now. For example,the Argo line names don't fit because there are no Earth military organisations on Subeta. Maybe the names could be changed to something relating to SAI.

I think it's a very good idea to change the Indian Headdress to a clothing item for Omen Islands. After all, Subetans celebrate Fireside, not Thanksgiving.

So, using a household item to beat up anyone whose point you disagree with is okay, as long as it isn't your spouse? Because that's what I am hearing right now. There reached a point where Rapunzel stopped using her frying pan in self defense and more simply because she didn't like what Flynn said (like guessing where his satchel was). I also don't remember what the context of that gif was I posted, but it doesn't look like self defense anymore there either. That almost looks exactly like classic "rolling pin trope" context.

I think it's fucked up if you ACTUALLY beat your spouse with a rolling pin. I think it's fucked up if you ACTUALLY ball and chain your spouse when you get married. I think these old symbols are meant to be lighthearted and not to be taken so seriously. As pointed out, where does it stop? Does bringing a ruffie to the battle coliseum glorify dog fighting? Does bringing your wyllop to a zapper condone animal testing?

I apologize to anyone who has been a victim before for what you have been through, but the world doesn't change because you have been victimized. What does change is now you have triggers and have a struggle with dealing with them. That is your cross to bear, unfortunately. Mind you, I'm not going out of my way to trigger anyone, but neither should you as a victim expect anyone to tiptoe around because you or someone like you might be easily triggered by an innocent statement or action.

The moral of the story is that not everyone is a villain. Just because you were abused, that doesn't mean the rest of the world is also out to abuse you, directly or indirectly.