The spousal attitude adjuster was actually originally a staff custom item, a long, long time ago. If I remember correctly it was Luxe's way back when.

That said, it's meant to be a reference to the cartoon rolling pin where the woman shakes the rolling pin at whatever wayward animal is in her way. It was never meant to condone or endorse spousal abuse in any form or fashion as far as I know. It's a tongue in cheek reference to cartoons like Looney Tunes where the unknown owner is usually shown wielding a rolling pin or a spoon in the air when they're angry or want to shoo something, an animal, another person, etc.. away.

The thing about gypsy skirts though is that the actual name of the item. i.e. if you buy those same type of skirts in Forever 21, they're called gypsy skirts. I always just thought of gypsy skirt as being a type of skirt and not really offensive to actual gypsies, but then again.. eh...

Oops, sorry about that, double posted by accident.

As for headdresses, there are Native Americans, in part or full on site, and I think it's up to them as to whether or not they find the item offensive enough that it should be taken down. That said, I personally don't find it offensive though, but then again I'm not Native American so...

The spousal attitude adjuster was actually originally a staff custom item, a long, long time ago. If I remember correctly it was Luxe's way back when.

That said, it's meant to be a reference to the cartoon rolling pin where the woman shakes the rolling pin at whatever wayward animal is in her way. It was never meant to condone or endorse spousal abuse in any form or fashion as far as I know. It's a tongue in cheek reference to cartoons like Looney Tunes where the unknown owner is usually shown wielding a rolling pin or a spoon in the air when they're angry or want to shoo something, an animal, another person, etc.. away.

The thing about gypsy skirts though is that the actual name of the item. i.e. if you buy those same type of skirts in Forever 21, they're called gypsy skirts. I always just thought of gypsy skirt as being a type of skirt and not really offensive to actual gypsies, but then again.. eh...

As for headdresses, there are Native Americans, in part or full on site, and I think it's up to them as to whether or not they find the item offensive enough that it should be taken down. That said, I personally don't find it offensive though, but then again I'm not Native American so...

I just want to pop in here with a couple links as to what the headdress means in Native American culture since the symbolism seems unclear to some. one two three All of these link to educational sites and also give insight to other types of headdresses worn.

I realize that, but they don't give headdresses as an award to those who have fallen in battle, at least not anymore, which I was trying to point out to you with the wikipedia quote. Today, they're worn in ceremonial practices. If someone wants a ceremonial Indian chief avatar, let them have one. If someone wants a war hero avatar, let them have one. Still don't understand why it should be taken off, changed, or otherwise. It's not hurting anyone, and I've seen some /amazing/ avatars that have been using headdresses and similar things that were not offensive at all.

lmao oh no I wasn't being bitchy (sorry if it came across that way), just sarcastic because these kinds of threads are ridic most of the time because where does it end? One thing is labelled as offensive then it starts a chain of other offensive items. It just gets old is all I'm saying.

That doesn't change their cultural significance. And as you're not Native American, you don't get to decide if it's offensive or not, nor do you get to decide if it's hurting anyone. I'm of the 'better safe than sorry' mentality, and believe it should be taken off because I have in fact seen Native Americans elsewhere that dislike white people wearing headdresses, or them being at all seen like a fashion statement.

Maybe that's because our Western culture has deeply ingrained offensive things that we don't realize are offensive because we're a white washed society that ignores all other ethnicities?

That was hella rude. You don't know whether I'm Native American or not, now do you? My avatar is a Viking but that doesn't make me Scottish, does it? Anyways, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I'm 1000% done with this thread, and I've made the point I wanted to make. I'm convinced that these are just made to stir up drama anyways, lol.

Vikings aren't Scottish, dolt. They're Scandinavian. And the way you spoke about the items made it pretty clear that you're not Native American. If I'm wrong, then I apologize, but it sure as hell sounds like you're not.

Oh God stop. My Culture Gallery is going to cry if all of these items are removed or changed :(

I could see renaming the feathered headdress and changing the description. The Americas and Thanksgiving don't exist in the Subeta universe. I'm not sure what's considered comparable for the name, the way the Galactic Nomads existed for the gypsy change, as I don't see anything in the Subetapedia that talks about other (or for that matter, any) indigenous peoples in Subeta. But Thanksgiving could certainly become Fireside.

To get back on topic, I do really like idea though. Thanksgiving isn't a thing on Subeta, so it could be changed to "Fireside" or maybe just "Autumn"?

It very explicitly does exactly that.

As someone who's white, I guess my opinion doesn't really matter about the feather headdresses.

But growing up in an area that had a significant population of natives in the Winnebago tribe, we had guest speakers who would come in during grade school and middle school to talk about their ancestors and all that neat stuff. They would discuss different tribes and gave us the talk about how headdresses are sacred items, and if you were female you couldn't touch half of the objects that they passed around to share with us. My perspective has always been based around those interactions so I cringe when I see non-natives sporting anything like that D:

I've always seen the item for exactly what it was meant to be and that was as a joke reference to cartoons. That said, it wouldn't matter to me whether or not the item name was changed as it's not an item I own or have in my inventory in the first place. As for headdresses, headdresses to me are simply items of clothing and while I agree with possibly changing it to fireside to get rid of the real life connotations of I don't necessarily agree with it being removed.

Wow I was really hoping this thread wouldn't explode. Okay, first of all I never said anything should be removed. I'd only like names and descriptions changed. Let's just get that out of the way right now (besides, there are CW headdresses onsite and I never bothered to add those to the OP as they're not offensive the way the is)

My problem with the headdress is partially the name. "Indian" isn't totally PC for Native Americans. More importantly, I don't really dig the whole "Native American > Thanksgiving costume" thing the description has going on. I don't have a problem with it being onsite so much as just, the name and description should be altered.

As for the rolling pin

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That's what I thought and it really confused me reading all these replies xD

The only other item onsite with Indian in its name is and as far as I know that is the regular term for it.

[Edit] +1 forum point woo

I just really, really agree with this. And I want to add that I feel like the pin's item description is pretty ugly. It's really, really ugly, and people explaining that it's some item made for some person for some reason or explaining that it's a reference item to old cartoons doesn't make it less ugly.

??? I don't want to seem rude, and I don't want to seem super sensitive, and I don't even want the item to be totally removed from site. But this description has major issues. It's really harsh and really ugly, and, as someone who's had four immediate family members abused by their SO, it makes me sick. I will never be able to understand how someone could read the description and be like, "Naw, no issues there, bruh. It's a reference to Looney Tunes, not something that has anything to do with spousal abuse!" or whatever. And I don't believe that there aren't better ways than this to reference the old cartoons or WHATEVER it was meant to reference.

Again I really don't want to be rude or come off that way, and I apologize so, so much if I've offended anyone. But it's a gross item description.

fyi this is based off a japanese head dress...

also i don't understand the fuss about these kinds of things. if it's a costume it's a costume.i know plenty of natives that couldn't care less(and yes they are legit, they live on reservations and all that jazz...it's so cheap there...T^T) i will say the name should be changed i agree since it technically isn't indian, it's native american,but eh.... of anything i find it strange that people are so uptight when it's Caucasian people doing things but not so much when it's anyone else. isn't that kind of racist too?

ah well. how about we focus on living on other planets and space travel!!XD

Oops, I must have copied the wrong item... Bc there was definitely a different item & its recolor that was totally 100% NA headdresses /Dies

I just feel like if it were something from my culture, i'd find it a bit disrespectful. I dunoooo

It just happens that you see white people doing it more than any other race. I would most definitely feel the same if it were someone of asian descent, or someone that is black. It's just that in America, you usually see white people doing these things, so we're the ones that are talked about the most.