lol, i'd love if i even knew what my background was!XD i think it would be awesome that a bunch of people would enjoy my cultural back ground, sure they may not totally understand the stuff behind it(but really, when stories get passed down through generations, you can't tell whats legit anyways all the time.X3) i mean look at all the people that love japanese items, is it offensive to wear one if you're not japanese? the native head dress isn't always the same thing in each tribe. some wear them as a status symbol, some wear them to show that they hunted this, etc. etc. every tribe is different. so when people claim it's offensive in some way, with out looking at every aspect i find it silly. though i do agree about changing the names. they really could have just said "Feather Headdress" "Everyone has a different reason for wearing one, i don't really know what they are, but they sure are COOL looking!"

well thats because in the U.S. it's mostly white people!XD

Not really, lol. Most CITIZENS may be white people, but that doesn't at all account for people living here on visas and those that might not be here legally.

But anyway, that's why you see it against white people more than anyone else.

Yeah I was always under the impression that Native American Headdresses were something sacred/cerimonial/something that had to be earned-- a fact that made me dislike hipster kids even more than I already did for starting that whole horrible trend.

I 110% agree that the Indian Headdress item needs to be renamed to "Native American" and that description could in turn be made more educational-- something involving how much it means to them, etc. OR, even better because this is subeta, and not IRL, it could be renamed to a race whom lives somewhere in Subeta and revamped to match the feathers of an animal species we have here (fester?). It should definitely be changed to be less derogatory and more informative and if we can severe the real world ties too that's a bonus.

that is an awesome idea!subeta is all about making it's own back story, we have nordic, middle eastern and space people, that would be cool to make a native people of some where on subeta!hopefully with a past not filled with giving plague blankets to them though.X3

i didn't mean you as an individual. i'm just saying that i have been seeing more and more of this kind of stuff going around about the native amercan thing, it gets kind of old. i'm not saying it shouldn't be fixed!don't get me wrong! but every one needs to understand just like there are/were different tribes in africa, japan, china, and europe a long time ago the same goes for native america.different things have different meanings to different tribes. it's kinda hard to lump them all in the same category. so i just kind of think that people should be able to do as they please so long as they aren't hurting any one.

also who knows the future of fashion, maybe it will be a giant amalgamation of different cultures garb.XD

native american head dress with cat ears, a kimono with plaid print, and suspenders holding up the obi(lol, hipster geisha sounds like a hilarious halloween costume!XD) and greek sandles.

I agree, but there's a difference between having a wearable Native American headdress onsite, and making a joke about it being a Thanksgiving costume.

they have had more headdresses other then this one on site though. if the problem is really the description i'm sure you can simply contact/open a ticket. or something to say hey, the joke is kinda bad, so maybe writing something else. the easiest way to get a problem fixed is giving a solution.(yeah i know it seems dumb in some instances but in this one it would probably work well.)

side note i don't even know if the natives the pilgrims came across even really wore feather haeddresses, either way its inaccurate. but i don't really think it hurts anyone.

the rolling pin one though i'd say is kinda bad...thats kinda traumatizing actually, but then again if you are some one who used it to defend your self from abuse....i don't know... there are a few things on this site that make sex jokes so i think that everyone kinda gets that this site is more older teens and adults then little kids.

Regarding the headdress, I am also in agreement that it should be altered. Perhaps if Subeta could integrate something similar into their lore it would be better fitting ? There are similar things around the world that it could be based off of, that have less spiritual ties (I believe the Somba headdresses are more for costume and fun ? Please correct me if I am wrong). The site could do something less offensive and make it their own. And, yes, it is offensive. I recall the Argo Purple Heart items coming out and some users throwing a fucking FIT over them because it's based off of the military Purple Heart (and not just a random alert/code word/etc). Because the Purple Heart is a very high honor and basically demands respect. The bonnets are on the same level. I wonder how many users look down their noses at that line, but would scoff/have scoffed at the suggestion with changing the headdress ?

EDIT I have been corrected, the medal of honor is a better comparison as it's seen as a higher honor to get. So, basically, people threw a bigger fit over something that is, in comparison, not as high of an honor. (This is not meant to undermine any of these, I promise)

Have to agree about changing the headdress. People can argue over whether it's offensive or not, it probably is, I don't know, but the reason I think it should be changed is this is Subeta

1. America doesn't exist in subeta
2. nor do native americans / "indians"
3. nor does thanksgiving.

Not even sure why this item exists haha. I agree with what Andrea said about the feathers being recolored to a fester's or something. It could be called "Native Vetan headdress" or something I don't know. I chose Veta because that's where Fireside primarily occurs- and replace the word Thanksgiving with Fireside in the description.

About the rolling pin- it's been repeatedly said that this item will not be changed because it was an old staff item. Fine. But to outright say "this item has nothing to do with spousal abuse" when it literally says spouse in the description blows my mind. It's about scaring off cartoon animals? Seriously? That's not what I got from the description, in which case, the description may need to be re-worded.

I absolutely agree that they should be altered!

It was previously said in this post that the purple heart isn't a good comparison, as that is earned by being injured. It was said to be more comparable to a medal of honor. Not saying I agree, just putting it out there that some people view it as an even higher honor.

Thank you for the correction ! Which actually makes my argument a bit more potent. People threw a fit over the purple heart reference, but scoff at an item that disrespects something even more honorable.

agrees to me, it's almost irrelevant if it's offensive or not - "Indian" doesn't exist within the Subetan universe, nor does Thanksgiving, so that would be as good a reason as any, to change it to something that would fit Subeta better :)

If the item was changed to be a Fireside themed headdress, with Fester feathers (as suggested earlier), then it would fit the site a lot better :)

sigh don't call the item offensive, the only argument I've seen is that someone of native american decent MIGHT find it offensive, none have stepped up and said so. I would THINK most logical people realize this is a pet site with dress up avatars and don't give a shit what we choose to dress them as. I'm not going to see someone who I know has said they're white with a black avatar and exclaim BLACK FACE, BLACK FACE. Sure maybe there's no spiritual significance there but the point remains the same, it's a fricken dress up site where you can dress up as whatever the hell you want.

All that aside, the item does have some merit to be changed, specifically the word indian, because we all know it's a native american reference not an indian reference, and maybe we could just suffice to call it some sort of feathered headdress. The thanksgiving reference has precedence, there are plenty of other RL holiday items on the site such as Kwanzaa plushies, july 4th items etc etc. The site has a history of letting us celebrate real life holidays even when they have subeta counterparts, and unless someone from the UK wants to step up and say they find offensive because it's celebrating americas revolt against their rightful ruler, then I just don't think it ought to be changed. (and before you ask I'm well aware that was absolutely ridiculous)

Also, instead of just running around saying OFFENSIVE OFFENSIVE, a suggestion on how to change something in a more positive way ought to be given, not just that they ought to be changed perhaps.

I'd like to point out that the Misplaced Feather and Beads mentioned on the first page is AeriaLure's work (I kind of skimmed through this topic and didn't see anyone mention that)... and for once, I have to agree entirely with .

Basically what said, especially this. I find it ironic how people are saying it is for the Native Americans to decide, but then go around and say it is offensive when they're not Native American themselves.

It's a dress-up site. I agree with either it all goes or doesn't (medals of honor come to mind; look at how many more we have: + all its colors). And if those don't go, maybe we should examine what it is exactly that triggers us being upset over headdresses v. medals of honor if they exist on subeta?

I'm not against renaming it to something generic though if we're to avoid associating it with Native Americans (and getting rid of that Indian term to boot).

I am of Native American ancestry. Here is one article that has multiple people that are in tribes commenting on how it is wrong But, you know, I am sure that's not enough.

Editing the OP to add my clearer explanations of why I dislike these items since everyone seems to think this thread is just another "omgf this is offensive delete it!!!!!!!!!" 😒

Disregarding the item name or description, does that item offend you? A real tangible headdress being worn by someone who has not earned the right to wear it in REAL LIFE would probably be offensive to you, I'm sure, but do you honestly think that some random HA sporting one is offensive? This is not real life, this is a fantasy website and if someone wants to cosplay on a fantasy website as... anything.. well this is probably the best place for it. Sure the argument could be used that it's based on a culture that presumably, doesn't exist in subeta, but honestly all that needs to be done is say, well these subetans wear headdresses so now it is. Again this is disregarding the name and description which I don't think a single person has actually been against changing.