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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
SCIENCE
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Personally, I would appreciate updates once in a while during downtime. Even a "Nobody knows what's going on, we're tearing our hair out trying to fix it!" would be better than no word. People love the site, and they get worried when the site stops talking to them. They start asking questions like "Doesn't subeta love me any more??" or "Is subeta in trouble?!" Updating twitter and facebook during downtime would only take a couple of seconds - even if those updates didn't contain much info - a simple "we're on it" would reassure everyone I think.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Like always, us Europeans, are left in the dark. I've been trying to access site from early morning and it was down, it was ok for the first few hours, so I went to check facebook or twitter and there was nothing there only few comments on facebook asking why it was down and no official statement about what was happing which made me think noone was even aware of the problems. It wasn't till this afternoon that site got back, that leaves most of europeans with almost no time to do daily things and enjoy Morostide. I know it sucks but I guess this is Subeta, been here for more than 7 years and it's always same things.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago Official
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We were sleeping, literally.

When we woke up this morning and were made aware of the site being down - we took to fixing it. There was no one on staff who could post on the twitter or facebook (not everyone has those permissions, or should have those permissions) or could actually comment on the status of the servers.

When we have information for you, you'll get it. Posting "The site is down!" on twitter is just as useful as the site actually, and obviously, being down.

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And, this wasn't a DDoS attack. Battling overnight killed the cache server (battling is the most resource intensive thing we have on the site) which in turn makes the site run REALLY SLOW because everything has to go through the database instead of hitting cache. Unfortunately the cache server still showed itself as up (a green dot on our dashboard) and because the web servers were technically still able to make calls to the database, they were considered to be running. That means that no alert was sent to my phone to let me know that the servers were offline at 4AM, or whatever.

I'm going to look into how we can solve that particular problem going forward. Other than that, and the DDoS attack the other day ( related) we've had pretty good uptime during this event, and very little lag.

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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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I don't think I will ever understand how people come to the conclusion that the staff "doesn't care about Subeta" when something goes wrong. It sucks the site was down - and for quite a while - but in no way has it made me believe they don't care. It's obvious they do care about Subeta for all the work they put forth into it. I guess I'll just never understand the logic of people around here x.x

I agree more communication would've been great, an explanation of the issue (which I have no doubts will come, like it always does along with extra time to complete x tasks) but to say they don't care? bullshit lol. such a ridiculous statement x10000

cuz you know, the staff loves when shit messes up and the backlash because of it. they thrive off it amirite?

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
JESSYTA
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I find it hard to believe that every member of Subeta's upper management is on the same sleep schedule. However, if that is in fact the case, it should change, and someone that is willing and able to be on during the night hours should be hired or promoted.

The 'staff is American' excuse just does not work for me. Many businesses in America operate 24/7, because they have management that utilizes schedules to ensure there are always employees around.

That said... any chance we can get shorter wait times for ToTing and the patch due to the lengthy downtime?

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Hyacinthe

Don't spend money on the site if you're not satisfied, the end.

I've been buying all of my cash shop items with SP because there is too much I'm not satisfied about.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Quote by keith

When we have information for you, you&;ll get it. Posting "The site is down!" on twitter is just as useful as the site actually, and obviously, being down.

I respectfully disagree. Yes, it might not be useful in the sense that it gives a lot of information, but it will let us know that staff is aware of it (and working on it). I think just a small note would have taken away a lot of the worry and frustration of your user base, even if it didn't give a lot of information.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
JESSYTA
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Appreciate the shortened times!

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Okay, I have to ask: do you even know what Gamergate is supposed to be about?

Before you use it to lay blame on the recent DDoS attack, Gamergate is for gender equality in gaming. I would be more inclined to believe that it was an attack lead by those opposed to Gamergate but not the creators of Gamergate themselves.

I also don't believe that no one on the East Coast or otherwise wasn't up at some point during the outage today. I can believe that there would have been other real life matters needing tended to but when I was trying to get on, it was 9 AM EST and it lasted until noon.

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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Yeah, posting elsewhere would acknowledge that the staff is aware that this is happening. Given the generic Calvin Blackmoon error message, we had no idea during the whole downtime at which point the staff noticed the problem and was trying to work on it. I was surprised it took this long.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
Tris
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I too agree that a simple "we know the site is down." message would be nice. It at least lets us know that SOMEONE knows, and even if they're not the ones who can fix the problem, they can at least alert someone who can.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Quote by Keith
this wasn&;t a DDoS attack. Battling overnight killed the cache server (battling is the most resource intensive thing we have on the site) which in turn makes the site run REALLY SLOW because everything has to go through the database instead of hitting cache.
Proud to be a battler, killing the site like a boss yeaahh! Sadly, I kunda saw that coming subeta has never handled mass battling well xD;

Anyways, simple enough solution seems like having a scheduled shift during events/events with battling where a different staffer who can either fix the database/has the phone number of a person who can fix it... checks on subeta every two hours? Just wake up, check the site, and yeah?

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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Why would gamergate go after a site like subeta and where's the proof they did? I've never seen subeta mentioned in any of the sites I go on related to gamergate. x: Gamergate's about game's media and the corruption therein, not about petsites like subeta.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Hellboy

Whoops, site spazzed out and double post'd my reply.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Breck

Yeah, saying the DDoS attack was "gamergate related" is pretty vague, especially for an attack that happened days ago and as yet has not been talked about.

Does Subeta have staff all across the states? Or just on one coast or something? From end to end, there's a three hour difference, I find it really hard to swallow that every staff member was asleep for the same 8 hour period. And even if all the PROGRAMMERS were asleep, aren't there admins and such to at least keep us updated?

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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I absolutely agree that the "gamergate related" idea sounds quite a bit like mainstream media blaming everything on "a hacker called 4chan".

I'm not suggesting that whatever happened should've been fixed immediately, but at least letting everyone know what's going on would be nice since I know lots of people spend lots of money on the site.


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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Piety

I think just a post saying something like "We know the sites down, we're working on it" makes a WORLD of difference and shouldnt take more than a few seconds. that's really all it needs to be, by all means save the explanation until after it's fixxed, but letting users know its being worked on is very reassuring and transparency is always best and just makes the site look better even at a bad time like that.

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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I completely agree with everything said. An update, just letting us know you're aware of the problem would be wonderful Or hey, we're working on it or "this is what happened that we're down"

And I would love to know what the downtime has to do with gamergate? I'm just really curious cus I'm nosey :3

Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Were there ANY staff that were aware of the downtime? Couldn't someone have called Keith or one of the programmers to let them know??

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Oct 23, 2014 11 years ago
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Quote by JESSYTA
I understand timezones and all, but I fail to see why a business like Subeta would not have a person or people that were responsible to ensuring that the site was up every few hours. During an event. Shortly after the site was supposedly under attack.</p>
<p>To me, it&;s just screams &quot;We don&;t really care&quot;

this. 100% agree.

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