ok when i last posted, i didn't realize just how severely misaligned the distribution was. i didn't like it then, but i hate it now.

supporters of the winning team got six exclusive, catered-to-this-band items. six. on what planet is that not overkill? don't get me wrong, i'm fine with there being exclusive "winning band only" items, because hey you won, but i was thinking it was in the ballpark of like, one or two. because that's reasonable. but six. what the fuck, who green lit this?

and i just really would like to know the reasoning behind the distribution. like, every other event subeta has had, prizes have always been awarded on the basis of effort. if you bust your ass, you're the one who deserves compensation. but oh, you picked the wrong band? here's a sticker for those thousands of points you scored. hope you like stickers.

all this says to me is next time we have another one of these events, i just have to pick whichever team is going to win, then do absolutely nothing because i will get inundated with prizes regardless. even on the same team, it's insulting. support the winning team by sending in outrageous scores day after day? get a shitload of prizes, as you damn well should, because you earned it pal. support the winning team and never send in a single score? well you get all the same prizes, because (INSERT VALID REASON HERE). where is the motivation to actually work? oh right, the sticker. nevermind, that changes everything.

and for the record, what's getting me heated here isn't the prizes themselves. if there was anything i wanted so terribly, i'd have bought it by now. but there isn't, so i haven't. it's the sheer principle of the matter that's coming off as a big "fuck you" to me. i'm not okay with that.

Posted this elsewhere, reposting it here to give my opinion..

I kind of hated this event, sadly. Just my opinion of it, I thought it sucked massive whale willy in comparison to most of the other events I've been involved in on here.

That was mainly because a) I felt as though the experience was really distant. Usually you have things to engage in, like plots, and you sometimes have to earn prize items through actually manually clicking every few minutes -> if you want the most expensive thing, you have to really dedicate and engage. I didn't like this one, because this just involved you clicking 'support' and then playing a game once per day.

Which leads me onto b) in addition to this being far less engaging, effort did not positively correlate with reward. Regardless of how much or how little you played the game, you got good prizes as long as you clicked the right support button. The system operated in a way that indiscriminately rewarded all of the following: 1) a person who supported a winner because they liked them, and played the game, or 2) a person who supported a winner cause they liked them, but didn't play the game, 3) a person who supported because everyone else did, and did play the game, 4) a person who supported because everyone else did, and didn't play the game. Obviously, the last set of people (4) may be considered to have not 'earned' their prizes, because they neither liked nor supported their band. It follows, logically, that this will piss off every other person who did not support a winner to varying extents, based on their own participation levels and how much they liked their prize/s. I'll use myself as an example. I am full of sadness and regret because I chose to support the band I thought was awesome, and I played the game (didn't like that either x'D) to support them = so I participated as much as was possible. I was not a high scorer, so I did not expect the coolest prizes based on a superhuman ability to play the game hehe. However, the prizes I /did/ receive were disappointing to me. They were disappointing because they did not measure up to the level of effort I perceived myself to have put into supporting the band I liked. Therefore, I am downright jealous of the '#4' people out there, who got all of the absolutely coolest prizes (the HnR ones) despite putting in less effort than myself, while I got prizes I personally thought were already kind of pooey enough without me comparing them to the best available. I am not annoyed with those people themselves, I'm just openly envious of their material gain compared to my loss of effort. I AM annoyed that this event worked this way. It would be like entering a marathon, struggling your arse off the whole way there, finally getting to the finish line and feeling so proud of yourself just for managing to run it, only for the medal for effort to be given to some guy window-shopping in an adjacent street because he was loosely acquainted to the person who won - while you received a piece of loo roll with your name hastily-scribbled and spelled incorrectly upon it. It would be confusing, and frustrating, because you know you put the effort in; you thought your achievement was worth more than a rubbishy piece of toilet paper, and you feel you achieved more than the guy who just happened to know the right people and didn't participate as much as you. So you're sad, disappointed, and jealous that he got a prize worth more than yours/ closer to your estimations of what you deserved.

I WISH I had been a 4) person - waited, then supported HnR just to get prizes (rather than going for the band I liked most personally). Honestly, I regret my actions. I know I'm an oddball with weird tastes, so logically I should have picked what other people like, because I would have been given better prizes for my time and effort. Just to clarify once more, I have no hate for the people that did that; I wish I had too. Without knowing the motivation behind every single person's choices, I don't personally have any stake in the moral debate "Is it right for to just lie back and let other people carry me to the good prizes?". There's nothing wrong with playing the system; the annoying thing is that the system facilitated and rewarded lack of participation as long as there was an association with the right bands, while basically snubbing the people who participated but just didn't pick the correct association...bummed :(

posting this here as well, lets see what you guys think:

so after some thought and conversations with friends about this here is my feedback since it won't let me submit it:

Prizes should've been given out in a tiered setting ie;

1. Grand Prize Winner
2. Genre Winner
3. Genre Finalists
4. Participation prize for everyone who created or joined a band
5. Supporters

The granny smiths were cute, but they still came in 2nd place. As cute as the items are in real life 2nd place is still "losing". It makes it look like a small fragment of favoritism when only one "2nd" place winner was made items and the rest of the genre first place winners weren't. They were in the same category as HnR so therefore they didn't win their genre. Otherwise all the other genres should've been created a specific item as well. Heck, Make them a simple music CD with their album art. Its literally a 64x64 icon and a nice tribute to the winners of their genres that made things worth their time. Put it for sale in the music shop from time to time as a r99 so that players could eventually earn it. Also give a copy to all the supporters of that specific band. If you didn't win the genre, you don't get a CD. simple as that. Its a nice tribute for their efforts and its fair.

I'm not saying supports should've of gotten anything but I do think that those players who spent time promoting themselves, joining a band, and really trying to get out there and get supports should've been given more than a bowl of candy and a book. Maybe for those who didn't get into the finals could've been given the candy bowl and book as a "thanks for trying" effort prize and then given the 30 finalists something more... worth their time? Supporters should've been on a point system as well. I think everything by points would've been better in the long run over all because of the fact that points can't lie. They can't play favorites (in a sense) and then everyone would be able to be fairly awarded for their effort.

Then there should've been a tiered point system for street team. Give everyone who scored 10 points a poster. Give everyone who scored over 100 a set of wearable buttons and previous item. next level 500 points- give them a plushie. Finally if you scored over 1000 give the players a wearable street team game background.

It literally took me 5 minutes to come up with all of those prize ideas and they still related to the game. They could've been achievements as well since games like spectrum trails has a points system. Also, street team shouldn't of been the ONLY game to play to gain points. It wasn't a game that all players could play. Mobile users were SOL (we had quite a few supporters that were ONLY mobile). I scored in the THOUSANDS of points each round, daily. Maybe put in a point shop like EPICon so I could spend my hard earned points (and eye strain!) on something I wanted.

Also, VIP members... we paid $2.50 for "exclusive items" that were tossed into the donation corner 10 minutes after it was released (by yes, nice users but hear me out) and less wait time to buy food- that was STILL 45 minutes between each purchase. None of the other shops in peka-boo were that way? Why do that? No one waits that long for food unless your Gordan Ramsey in a episode of Kitchen Nightmare! LOL. but in all seriousness I wouldn't spend the extra RL $ for VIP again. There wasn't any incentives to it and I really thought it would be more "VIP" as it was advertised. Lots of hype over it with an extreme let down for us who purchased VIP tickets.

ETA: OMG I FORGOT THE GOAT PETTING. OMG THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE WORTH MY $2.50!

Lets talk about the wishing shrub. Price cap it. Limit it to how many people can wish for the same item. Things got super greedy and instead of wishing for cheaper items that ALL players could afford, things were in the MILLIONS everyday hogging it all up. There are lots of newer/less wealthy users here who don't have the time to sit and quest all day long. I know people will disagree with this but it wasn't really "wishing" it was "greed hoarding". People would nab the "cheap" wishes and then ask for something that was 20mil and whine about it in the SB or on the forums when no one granted their wish. It was a good concept, but I really wish it was done differently. Maybe wishing shrub should've been random. Put a price cap (lets say 5 mil) then when you want to ask for an item you click on 'Grant a wish" and an item is randomly shown to you. if you can't grant it, then no wish (as was with this version). One wish, One grant a day. No greed, no picking and choosing. You have the whole day to grant the wish and if not it resets at the end of the night or you can cancel it, but not continue to gift all day. Its more like blind trading... wishing shrub had good intentions but bad usage- I hope it returns, but as a good way not a bad one.

The event itself would've been really cute and wonderfully done if it was more like Omen Island days of plots. This just was a strange way to end the points?

Seeing as the thread has diverged to talking generally about the event I just want to put in that I genuinely enjoyed Peka-Boo as an event (not trying to tell anyone else their feelings are wrong, or anything, just stating mine). I was lucky with the shrub, had fun helping put the band together and delighted we got into the finals, liked the items, liked the wearable contest, etc. It wasn't perfect but it did draw me back in after nearly a year of on-off hiatusing, and I'm back to playing daily even a month after it's over. I'm looking forward to hearing some staff input on this last-hurdle faceplant because I think it's not too late to fix.

I'm also curious about this. The BOTB- What did you get? thread has a few people going 'yay I got stuff! EDIT: WTF I got loads more stuff suddenly?!', which suggests some very last minute decision making.

You forget that the genre winners apparently didn't excite as much as The Granny Smiths did to merit one measly item. I mean Tempest Sky got a saheric colored grand piano and a cymbals playing ghostly plushie. Totally accurate. Who could possibly complain about that? No one. /cough I love your Gordon Ramsey reference omg your post is so perfect

Actually, I think that's because of error during distribution (like with every prize distribution here there are some errors to work out, right? xD it wouldn't be subeta if it wasn't). I'd like to give staff a bit more credit than very very last minute planning.

You're almost certainly right and I hope so too! But the scheme they came up with seems so obviously like a drama bomb waiting to happen that I'm completely baffled it went through. I'd almost rather believe it was a last minute 'what the hell, lets chuck out a few more prizes over here' fubar than an actual plan that was discussed and agreed in advance.

They should have given everyone else a complementary so at least we had a minion we could cope with haha. xD You're totally right - it would have been better if it was very, very last minute planning. Otherwise, it's just plain scary.

Don't worry, I've still got my from the good old days. Ah, they take me back...

omg what did we do to get those as a free gift?! ;O Ahahaha. Well whatever it was, I'm gonna bet this time beats out that time. Lemme tell you, I had the most sour thing EVER last week and those were fresh blackberries. Oh, the pain. .__. Maybe we'll get a sour grapes v2.0 soon? ;p

"Bottle of Red Whine"

"Bottle of Rosé Whine"

"Bottle of White Whine"

Do I win?

:O :O oh pffs amazing hurry up and tm it faaaast

How does a lifetime of whine sound like? Satisfaction nor safety not guaranteed.

let's not dredge up the painful, fateful day when me and the rest of Europe spoiled giveaways forever. It's all water under the bridge now tearful gaze into the middle distance

These days Subeta is usually so, so much better at handling this kind of thing. It's just a shame it's happened at the weekend, rather than during the week when there's more on-duty staff.

OKAY, so I just went back to the prize truck after reading the most recent posts in this thread, and I got the cancelled concert book and record player suddenly (instead of nothing), yay! It sucks we had to complain, but I'm hoping this means things are getting resolved for everyone else as well.

those were intended prizes to begin with. The prize feature was just broken, made a thread about it and staff was able to push a fix c:

I can't even begin to express my disappointment in every single aspect of this thing.

Edited first post with some interesting quotes made, so hopefully it'll be easier for users and staff to know what we've been talking about.

So, since the winning two bands' supporters were listed, let's calculate how much time people put in this game in average, shall we?

HnR: 251 members - 350,161p = 1395p/member = 93p per game (1 min, 31 seconds per game) Grannies: 344 members - 345,064p = 1003p/member = 67p per game (1 min, 11 seconds per game) Average of both: 80p per game (1 min, 23 seconds)

Dreadnought's winning game: 17.560p(estimated solid game time: 5h, 51 min = 254 times the average) Assiejj_x's winning game: 10.085p (time est: 3h, 24 min = 144 x average) Walrus' winning game: 9.584p (time est: 3h, 11 min = 132 x the average)

Food for thought.

Quoted that. If that was the "average" score, and some people claim to have put a lot of effort, imagine the amount of people that did nothing. And now they have 18 prizes sitting in their inventories.

I hated this event from start to finish, let alone the month long wait for prizes.

Why the fuck wasn't there a prize shop. I thought Subeta was moving toward prize shop only events, but no. I would have happily spent every prize point I had earned on books, and instead I'm going to have to shell out millions for that fucking pamphlet.

Not cool, Subeta.

This sounds like tiers to me and I don't see that. Where was the prize if you were in a band, the prize for the bands that got into the finals and the prize for the bands that won? I for sure know my team didn't get a prize for winning, unless they meant the plushie but the fans of the group got that too so that's not a prize for the band winning. I'm hella glad they did get a prize and oh-so-grateful to them! Don't get me wrong there. But at the same time it was a competition and I think the people who got through the gauntlet of eliminations should have something exclusive to show for it especially since every news post about it basically said you would.

The second quote towards the end of the event says they don't know how they are going to do prizes after all. Looking back that is kind of weird. At the time I didn't think much of it after all they'd already said in the fist quote how they were going to do it. But now looking back it's like they were changing their minds or waffling maybe? If they only meant the grand prize winner to get the prizes then why word it that way. It says prizes for winning the genre. And even a second place band got more exclusive prizes then first place bands. Now I do see where it says that supporters would get prizes for being with the grand champs and that's cool. But I still don't understand why fans would get more prizes then people actually in bands that won their genre. Like, what? o.O

I expected exactly what they said. Here is what I see and thought it was going to roll out as- Everyone that entered a band would get a prize. If you entered and moved on you got the one for entering and the one for progressing. If you won the genre then you got one for entering, progressing and winning. (i'm really mad this didn't happen.)

Including the fans- I expected prizes for supporting a team depending on points/participation. Just because you happen to pick the right band doesn't mean you should get a bunch of shit if you didn't help them win. The person who worked harder should get rewarded. The high scorers of HnR should have gotten more prizes and those that didn't should have gotten less imo. (I'm sure some people would disagree.) Not saying they shouldn't have exclusive prizes just that they were thrown out to everyone regardless of how hard they worked or not. This way it wouldn't have been just an overabundance of prizes for getting lucky. (If the person who did this thought that it would make items too limited well then go ahead and have more tiers/prizes in general for everyone.) Personally, I would have thought it totally fair for high-scorers to get a special prize that was rare, after all they earned it. I also wouldn't expect a team who placed second to get more prizes then fans/band members of first place bands. But that happened. To me this feels unbalanced, it's not how I would have done it. People with limited participation made out way better the people who tried really hard. I would have expected more tiers and prizes I guess.

Honestly I don't even really care about Stuff! I just want what they said was going to happen, to happen. I feel like we were duped. I seriously can't believe this hasn't been responded to by a single staff member yet. Don't tell people you're going to award an event one way and do it another and then just pretend like it's not happening.

can you get someone to respond? I mean I think we are all so up in arms about this because this site is amazing and really gave us such high expectations and the reality is so different and conflicts with what we are used to in the past and also what was said or even inferred by the NPCs..