Oh no, it wasn't you who said that (or if you did, I didn't take it that way). Whether or not he means it that way, has always given off the vibe of being "so done with this" when it comes to pet related things (it even took yelling at him to fix a leash error that's been broken for so many months I can't remember).

Teamed with "the era of petsites is over and FlightRising is only successful because it has something cool going for it" (I don't know what that cool is, as I've never played, but whatever it is must be cool), it leaves me and many pet people feeling like we're just an old half-dead limb causing the tree more problems than anything.

This is not a new feeling, it's just an old sore that's never been given the opportunity to heal. Instead we got the pet spotlight, which has frankly, made the general pet people more snarky, bitter, and hateful than it has anything. It's one thing to get the vibe of being a burden, and it's an entirely different set of horribly depressing feelings to flat out being told that the reason you came here is so over with and couldn't be a lower priority if it tried. It's disheartening, frankly.

I understand pets don't draw in a great deal of money, because most of their aspects are free (or next to free thanks to sales), but most of the long term users I see leaving are due to either the cap or the total lack of pet-caring when it comes to staff. Yes we get beautiful art, but a few pages back it's specifically stated the pet page lag is bottom lister because it just doesn't effect everyone so it's our problem to deal with. If the wardrobe acted like that, well it would be fixed yesterday. This is where the bitterness and the isolation comes from, and it hurts even more to see it flat out stated publicly.

I want to reiterate that the pet page problem isn't a problem for pet people, it's a problem for a significantly smaller portion of users who have a LOT of pets (again, pretty much you and . There are very few users who have as many pets as you guys, and so the amount of people who have that page lag is very very small)

I love the pet features on the site. I think that the way we released the storm pets was really unique, and not to mention the big "prize" for finishing a plot was the bhakoru which is one of my favorite species on the site. is the creative director on the site, she loves pets, so be assured that a lot more pet related stuff is going to happen (and is already happening behind the scenes)! We have a lot on our plates right now with various parts of the site falling apart, but we are still really excited about some of the pet related stuff coming up.

At least 2, maybe 3 other people on this board have claimed the same issue, I'm pretty sure that number would be a lot higher if a separate board was made on the subject, Andrea has 37 pets, I have 33 and I've only been here coming on 6 years, this is a problem that's going to get worse and rapidly because people don't get less slots. But that said after catching up on this board I'm feeling pretty much done, so puts hands up Adam out I guess unless the lure of my unfinished pets drags me back in.

I know Neopets is sort of taboo, but I think they have a good setup for their pet page, and borrowing the basic idea would probably solve the lag issue here:

Just load one pet at a time, and have buttons for the rest of the pets (image + name) to swap out for another. If you're not loading 30+ pets all at once, the page shouldn't lag so badly and you don't have to scroll to find what you're looking for.

That doesn't seem like it would take too much time or effort to implement.

I don't know about the training center though. I can't think of a better way to set it up displaying all your pets at once actually makes sense there. Hopefully there's something there's something that can be done on the backend to speed it up. 😕

It seems like all I've said on this board is nodding at what others say, so I'm going to continue doing that. :P

I agree with and the others regarding something to mark the 1st year anniversary of a user. I think it says most that this suggestion is coming from long time players, it's not like newbies begging for things when they turn 1 year. It's veteran users who know how hard it is to stay hooked that first year, and who remember being a bit disappointed that your 1 year mark (which was a big deal for us), apparently isn't a big deal for Subeta.

It doesn't have to be a loyalty box, it could be something smaller. Maybe even just an event that pops up, saying congratulations for your first year. Or an automated sMail saying it a little more elaborate how glad Subeta is to have you around. Maybe even give them a 1 week gold account (not the medal they could sell, but the actual 1 week benefits)? The way I see it (don't know if that is correct), only long time users start spending cash on a site. If you give them a week of GA, that might be their first experience with the benefits of a paying member. You might even persuade them to continue the GA membership if they like the extra quests, the autopricer, etc. It might actually be really good for the site to lure paying members!

I've been thinking about this, too. Speaking from experience, I avoided GAs for years until I finally decided to give it a try using my loyalty box, and now I can't imagine playing without one.

If and when the newbie tutorial is revamped, a one week GA might be a good completion prize.

Honestly the lag has started within the past few months, it hasn't been a problem longterm. And I've had 40 pets since before that started. made a board in the pet section about this, and people with even 16 pets experience a slower loading time on that page and during high traffic times, someone said it can take minutes to load.

I have a feeling removing ranks* might help, just like killing the high score table helps the BC. (*they need to go somewhere). Have the ranks (highscore related) changed at all recently? Like, do they update more than once a day now? They used to only update rank at noon, if it's pulling that data more often that could be why.

I remember when I made it through my first year I was bit disappointed not to get anything but then I looked at the achievement and I thought about its title of Longtime Member and the reward being a loyalty box and I ended up thinking "Are you really loyal after a year?". My answer was no. However, especially given the current state of the site, I would say that it deserves more acknowledgement than what it currently gets. Maybe be a smaller token (rather than something as significant as the loyalty box).

Like everything else broken or laggy about the site, the pet page loading problems are a very new issue for me. I've had over 40 pets since the week you released more slots, and I've NEVER had a problem loading that page until the past few months when the rest of the site's lag/crash problems began.

I made a board in the Pets forum regarding this topic, and even users with less than 20 are reporting increased loading times/site crashes when trying to use the pet page. Some have stopped using it altogether because it's so obnoxious. This morning the load times are a nice 3-4 seconds for me, vs last night's 13+.

A friend who is a master genius coder told me that the Pets page "is not indexed" and that is part of the reason this is happening. I don't know anything about coding, so I don't know how hard it is to index something like that. 8D; But that would apparently help the loading issue immensely?

Personally, I think you could also kill those stupid hunger/happiness bars and go back to the old system of text-based indicators. I find them gaudy and obnoxious and I doubt they help the load times at all. |D

This is probably true of most users... but I've been on Subeta for under two months, and I've already spent at least $100 buying CSC for pet slots and CW submissions. (Probably says more about me than anything... ugh. I'm impulsive, lol.) I'm not pointing that out to argue against some sort of little recognition after a year, which I would love... but to show that we newer users DO contribute to the site, at least some of us. Er, and also to point out that pets are important to some of us... While I enjoy the other aspects of Subeta too, I signed up for the pets, and most of my CSC is going towards buying more pet slots.

P.S. I do have 12 pet slots so have bought two... and the only reason I bought a GA was to get those five extra slots. I just have one empty slot atm because I'm hoping to snag a name clearing.

I really don't understand this mentality of "one year isn't good enough."

I was proud of myself for playing a whole year here, it was an accomplishment. Not long after my account turned 1 year old I went out to a real life Subeta Meetup. I met actual staff and other players. So one year isn't being loyal and I have no interest in Subeta? My friend's account wasn't even a year old yet back in 2011 when she bought those real life pet charms that Subeta was selling for a while. True facts, newbies don't buy merchandise and are unable to be loyal.

When a baby turns 1 year old should the parents cancel their birthday and tell them that they deserve nothing because 1 year isn't good enough? They have to wait for their toys for their 2nd birthday? When this site turned 1 year old, the staff didn't feel like they had done something?

I guess it doesn't really matter what I say, this conversation seems pretty much moved on from and it's decided that first years get nothing for choosing to spend a whole year on this website.

While I still don't understand why everyone is so against just giving them a loyalty box, I'm being worn down and I'll just say fine now; then if not a loyalty box, give first years some kind of prize to acknowledge their efforts here.

Note: I'm not bitching or complaining, I really just don't understand how 365 days of coming here is totally undeserving, disregarding if they've spent money on csc and the likes or not, they're not real supporters, not loyal, just totally undeserving. Such is the life of a new player.

I've been thinking about this, too. Speaking from experience, I avoided GAs for years until I finally decided to give it a try using my loyalty box, and now I can't imagine playing without one.

If and when the newbie tutorial is revamped, a one week GA might be a good completion prize.

My first experience with a GA was long, long ago when they were released in the Millionaire Center. I must say it was seductive. I mean, I knew about the benefits, had read about it and while I thought it would be nice to have, it didn't pull me in. I needed to actually experience the perks, then go back to regular membership. The perks don't seem like they would make that much difference when you just read about them, but now I pretty much can't go back. Whenever I do let my GA lapse, it doesn't take long for me to go buy another one.

A non-transferable Gold Account would be an excellent 1 year Subeta anniversary perk for the reasons stated by and.

Warning: long-ass post ahead.

tl;dr - FR does a great job of staying with a theme and working with its lore on building the whole world up. Subeta feels like a lot of its features are tacked onto the standard pet site framework without too much thought behind them.

Far as I'm concerned, Subeta stopped being a pet site the moment human avatars were introduced. I don't even know what to call Subeta at this point, all things taken into consideration. It's been based off of a pet site, but with so many things added to it, I honestly feel like everyone's lost sight of what Subeta is supposed to be.

[Quote=Frost]You get what it says on the tin with FR, but Subeta is more along the lines of: "You ordered a steak, but we also added a poorly made salad which may contain bugs, underdone fries, a really greasy sauce and an incredibly cheap wine that's possibly gone off. Oh, we also overseasoned your steak and the dishes aren't that clean since we don't have enough people to wash them regularly. Your glass is also chipped since we don't have the money to get a new set of glasses. But at least the glasses and tableware have pretty pictures engraved in them! Still, enjoy your meal and we hope you plan to order dessert! Also, make sure you tell your friends about us! Or just tell random kids, whatever works." [/quote] [Img]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/BlakeShock.gif[/img]

That is like hands down the most accurate analogy I've heard in a long time.

That is like hands down the most accurate analogy I've heard in a long time.[/quote]

Best analogy ever!

Also regarding one year achievement reward, I'd argue the first year is the most important and reward worthy. Especially in the last few years. If someone new stays here for a year in the sites condition, they deserve a loyal box too. Because at a year in, you're not as vested in the site as the "lifers", you could pack up and leave without that much loss. Instead they stay, reward them for not giving up.