What the Dungarde told you has been on your mind all night, despite your efforts to distract yourself on the internet. Eventually, you settle down and fall into a fitful sleep, full of nightmares and unhappy endings. When you wake, you don’t feel very hungry, but you force down some breakfast before heading to Skelly Manor.
So can someone tell me how to get to the Skelly gravestones? Today is my first chance to start the plot.
reading your comment was delightful and put a lot of what I was thinking into words and made me feel a lot better so thank you for that
internal screaming
Nailed it. Since subeta's player base is mostly American, they really, really, really don't get what it's like to be gay in other countries since we're no longer in as much danger here. Being gay does matter and does affect people, although we wish it didn't. I'm sorry. Good luck.
@ Strange I'm cishet and will be very sad if this story has a tragic ending. I really like Ian and Jaxin
So because this damn plot has been nagging on my mind all day (good job Subeta making me worry about these friggen pet site characters) I've thought of a few different ways that this could be resolved.
Spoiler tags just in case I'm somehow right about one of these:
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We end up finding and using a different heart to free the Dungarde, such as the heart of Jaxon's father - Although possibly he won't give it up willingly, and we'll have a world-boss style event where we all have to tag-team this old man ghost to get his heart before the end of Morostide. (Alternatively, stealing his heart awakens his spirit and turns him into a permanent world boss)
The Dungarde turns out to be Jaxon's father and has just been leading us along in a last ditch effort to do away with his son and return to the living world, and we find this out at the last minute and beat his blobby ectoplasmic ass for lying to us and trying to make us ruin these boy's relationships.
Jaxon and Ian make a deal with the Dungarde - Jaxon can return to a living body, and the Dungarde remains imprisoned... Until Jaxon's new life comes to an end, at which point the Dungarde can have his heart and finally be free - After all, is it really too much to ask for one lifetime in exchange for an eternity of freedom?
A theory many have already suggested: Jaxon's willingness to sacrifice his happiness in exchange for freeing the Dungarde somehow results in the curse on him being lifted, and now Ian's old methods of implanting his spirit into a body can finally work because Jaxon is no longer bound to a single area/timeframe.
Ian dies somehow and becomes a ghost too, which would be... Hard to handle cleanly, but could potentially work? The Dungarde gets a heart to free itself, while Jaxon and Ian can exist together forevermore as ghost boyfriends.
The Dungarde reveals it's been fucking with us the whole time and just wanted to see the looks on our faces, tells us there's a final heart that isn't Jaxon's and we all collectively shake our fists in impotent rage as he laughs his way into the ether. There, 6 ideas. Some of them may not be as elegant as the others, but I'd take any one of them over the current "two options and they both suck" path that the story is currently hinting towards. While I don't subscribe to the "every ending has to be a happy ending" ideal, I do have a very strong sense of morality and if a character is going to suffer something like this, then in my eyes, they ought to deserve it. And let's be real here: Neither Jaxon nor Ian deserve to have an otherwise wonderful relationship ruined in one of the most heartbreaking ways just because of some green blobby guy who we only just met. And no, trying to justify it with "But Jaxon poisoned a bunch of people!!!" based on a flimsy, last-minute backstory that the Dungarde pulled out its ass is not justification for them having an unhappy ending. Even if that story is true down to the letter - Jaxon has spent who-knows-how-long as a wandering ghost who is bound to one area and can't even manifest for most of the year. I'd say he's served his punishment for those crimes tenfold by now.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Dungarde, but not enough to see a couple separated for literally all eternity just so that it can go on vacation. And now with the reveal that it was the Dungarde itself that had been purposely messing with the radio? Does that not strike anybody else as suspicious!? Also, we only have the Dungarde's word on how bad the Skelly family is. Not to mention, it demanded Jaxon's heart when there are undoubtedly other family members who we could dig up is, in my eyes, a bit too convenient. Why Jaxon? What makes his heart more potent than, say, Jaxon's father? Or mother? Or literally any other family member?
I have faith that the writers have some clever idea up their sleeves, but goddamn if I ain't feeling anxious as hell about this story. I usually don't care too much about the plots on this site but Jaxon and Ian are characters I genuinely love and feel a connection with (Especially being a gay man myself). I watched their relationship bloom last time we had a Morostide plot, and when I heard we'd see more of them this year, I was ecstatic! So having their relationship be put at risk like this has genuinely got me worried - If that was the intention then bravo.
But just... Just.... Please be very careful about how you finalize this story...
Don't pull a Life is Strange on us, Subeta, you guys are better than that.
Moving away from the deeper, and important issue here, as someone who's been here for 10 years... We NEVER forgave you for Amy, you sure this is how you wanna play this? Are You Sure?
NEVER!
Okay, I wasn't going to join on this whole discourse, but I need to get it out of my chest, so here we go:
Yes, Esther and Emma are married and happy and, god, I don't think I could be happier about them! That being said, they're only one couple, part of one universe, that is part of a lot of other fictional universes most of us get in touch on a daily basis. And, for those of us who are LGBTQ+, at most of those universes, when we can see characters like us, they're either stereotyped or suffering; sometimes both. That really takes a toll on us, in a sense no straight/cis person will ever be able to comprehend fully.
So yeah, forgive us if many of us are feeling worried about the prospect of this couple, that we have known for a couple of years, suffering. One of the... what? Two? Three gay couples on subeta? I'm sorry if we're afraid.
And as I know someone pointed out earlier int he discussion, in real life, my country just elected a man who said he would rather have a dead son than a gay son, and that parents should beat up their gay kids until they're "fixed". And that happened on the same day I came here and saw one of my favourite fictional gay couples might be endangered. And yeah, as I said before, it takes a toll on you.
I'm not going to judge it until the plot is over, but I needed to let out my fears, because at least for now, where I live, I can still do that freely. I would just like to say that, if you're cishet and think people shouldn't complay because they have a single happy gay couple, that is part of a extremely minority in the media, you really have no grasp on your privileges. This is the NORM for straight people. So yeah, forgive me if I'm not content with another tragic story about a gay couple just because there is a single lesbian couple part of the same universe who has found happiness. I swear some people think we should be eating out crumbs and shut up about feelings.
Again, I'm sorry if I come out as rude, but I do personally believe that there is no need for more stories about LGBT characters dying (so yeah, not a fan of Ian dying to be with Jaxon), being killed or separated... not when those stories are the majority of what we have, and what we see on real life. That being said, I do have faith that Subeta Staff is able and willing to do better than that, like they have done in the past <3
I'm also worried about the "bury your gays" trope (which is why I came to check out the comments here at all...) but I have faith in Subeta! There's still another day left of story. I feel like Jaxon being willing to sacrifice himself might "count" without having to actually go through with it. (He's sacrificing his heart...? Something like that?) There could still be a happy ending for everyone, or at least a bittersweet one that doesn't fall into bad tropes.
Subeta. This. is. horrible. :crying:
Look on the bright side.
No matter what happens, Jaxian will always be alive.
In our hearts.
Hearts that haven't been eaten by the Dungarde like Jaxon's is gonna be.
. i made a forum post with all of the dialogue from this plot under the Morostide forum if you want to re-read it. Here: https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/893308/Plot-Dialogue-spoilers
So I've been reading the comments, and I've noticed some people starting to doubt the Dungarde and honestly, I never doubted him, but as soon as he said we had to choose between him or Jaxon I decided Jaxon haha. Partially because the Dungarde isn't entirely imprisoned anymore, he has an amount of freedom, and I'm sure there are ways to work around the rules. A big part however, was his admittance that he's become comfortable/complacent with his imprisonment, that he'd hardly know what to do with his freedom. I mean, it's not like the Dungarde really has any loved ones or anything in particular to look forward to with his freedom. Jaxon does. Jaxon has many loved ones, and plans, and things to look forward to.
But those are just my feelings. I suppose I'll just progress however I'm supposed too.
There's a trope in media called "bury your gays" where gay relationships are characterised by having sad or tragic endings. It's a hold-over from the past where LGBTQ folk were far less accepted, and any non-hetro relationship portrayed in media "had" to end badly, because the characters were being punished for being gay.
Needless to say, people don't take too kindly to that sort of thing these days.
Hi, LGBT person here. I'm kind of failing to see what Jaxon and Ian being gay has jack shit to do with the plot??? As far as I see it, this is a sad story about two lovers who JUST HAPPEN to be gay men. Like. Sure, it's an important detail, but like..... why do I feel like everyone is reading WAAAAAY too much into it???? There isn't some deep metaphorical meaning. Calm the hell down.
That point aside, back to the plot, I feel like there's GOT to be more hearts for them to choose from??? What happened to Jaxon's father or mother?? Surely Jaxon's heart is not the only suitable one left to free the Dungarde, right?? D8 PLEASE??? I'm not crying, you're crying..... TT~TT
Not reading the comments because spoilers, but this spider puzzle isn’t working on my iPad. I can put down the first piece, then nothing else works. :(
This is so sad, alexa play despacito
Okay but seriously though, this really hurts my heart, man. I've seen so man Sad Things tonight im just worn out emotionally lol. I really appreciate everything Dungarde has done and how kind it is but.. I just can't give up on Jaxon. I'm hoping against hope that there's a way to save both of them. And poor Ian too... Jaxon's talking about him living forever and whatnot but with Ian's science and the magic in subeta there has to be a way around that.
ugh i just want these guys to be happy and get a chance to live their lives.
i'm not crying, everyone else is, this is just from washing my face, honestly. this writing is so good, the story progression has been fantastic, and i've enjoyed watching the dungarde's sprite change each day!
(i skimmed the other comments because apparently people are being dreadful in a lot of them)
I really don't give a fuck if they're gay or straight. They have both been part of Subeta lore forever and now that we've gotten so close to them emotionally (me at least) I just think it's cruel to not give them (and us) some peace and love in their story. They can be happy together (with each other AND with us) without getting all lovey-dovey squishy pukey about it. What i like best is that they aren't openly overly affectionate to each other. They keep their lives together private. They have the kind of relationship I'd like to have. I'm not a physical person - It's a lot harder to find characters who can have close emotional relationships without physical sexuality (gay or straight) being the focus. Some of us CAN'T have relationships with others for the sole reason that the physicality always seems expected, and it isn't something we can make ourselves emotionally vulnerable enough to give. The constant thoughts of "i'm not good enough. I'm not attractive enough. Are they repulsed/ revolted/ disgusted? will they just start insulting me/ laughing at me behind my back? To my face?" I'm not capable of trusting someone that much with the fear and anxiety that could cause me. I just... can't be touched. I just want to see someone similar to me get what I'll never find. Not tragic, not fairy tale happy endings, just peacefulness and contentment. Sorry - again, don't really have someone to open up to - but
I mean, let's face it - for most of us sites like Subeta are a pleasant escape from reality. If i wanted to experience drama, tragedy and unbearable heartache I'd stay in the real world.
reading the comments more i'm actually pretty depressed at how people are so quick to point out that just because lgbt people are people they need to have sadness and hard times. no we don't. we get that literally every day of our lives. literally anything we watch has the worst endings, barring like... maybe five or ten things. and the fact people have to keep bringing up "there aren't lots of HETEROSEXUAL STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN SUBETA IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE"
no it doesnt my mans. ya'll are being incredibly rude and not caring about the fact that, you know, people Are Hurt that this is technically bury your gays. just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't here
maybe one day the userbase will be more open minded but so far, no luck
That... I... How... HOW DARE...........!!! TAT
ahhh... gotta sniff some times during the conversation, I think these are one of my favorite characters/plot and I just want the new plotpart to be revealed so we can safe them! I really just want to make them happy again. ^^;
Maybe we can't use Jaxon's father's heart because the Dungarde is actually his father. Makes sense why he keeps sitting on that throne, and why he deliberately blocked communication from Jaxon, and why he knows literally the entire family history. If it's not already Jaxon, that is.
GASP Drama at the Skelly Manor! Also plz don't kill off Jaxon. Hes such a sweet old grump. :c
Ooooohhh Right... Well, that sounds awful convenient.
I'm suddenly reconsidering just how much I trust this big armoured ghost blob thing.
i screencapped today's dialogue and put it on imgur... this should hopefully be visible? https://imgur.com/a/y9sxf we're not going after old man skelly (who deserves his tomb being desecrated tbqh) literally only because the dungarde said "i need jaxon's heart, you have to decide if you're going to free me or jaxon"
gay couples dont deserve suffering and sadness and if you think otherwise you're blind
So... Wait just a second...
Forgive me if I'm forgetting something crucial about the backstory here (can't find a transcript log anywhere so I can't check) but... What about Jaxon's father?
Why can't we just dig up that guy and use his heart to free the Dungarde? My memory ain't the best but from what I understand our current list of hearts has been two uncles, an aunt, and a grandmother, right? So... Why can't we just go and raid father Skelly's tomb instead of potentially ruining the relationships/freedoms of characters who don't deserve it?
Correct me if I'm missing some detail here.
i wanna save jaxon i wanna save the dungarde i wanna save jaxon i wanna save the dungarde he called him 'my love'
I know this reveal has stirred a lot of discussion already, but I just wanted to put a bit of my own two scents here - Just because there are other happy lgbtq+ couples featured on the site, doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be upset over a tragic ending to another - as much as i have my doubts it'll end in tragedy, I too was moved by today's events because of how attached I am to Jaxon, Ian and their relationship. As much as I adore Esther and Emma(god, I shipped them before they where even confirmed) and loved their wedding, I don't feel as connected with them. As a gay man myself, Jaxon and Ian scratch an itch and just click with me in a way the other two can't, and that's become even more clear to me after getting all this new interaction content, and seeing what dorks they are to each other. It's the kind of love I hope to find with someone some day, so yeah that smarts when it looks like they might have to break this amazing thing they've got going off. I wouldn't call it "bury your gays" because obviously, Jax is already dead. If anything, this plotline has been trying to UNBURY our gay, but as it stands this could easily end with two gay men who love each other being split apart, and honestly very suddenly because of how much information the Dunguard was hiding from us. It's definitely more than enough to make anyone invested sad, and that has nothing to do with how much representation is featured in Subeta.
But aside that, like I said, I really don't see this ending in that tragedy. I'm fairly certain the Dunguard is going to turn out to be the Skedhu, mirroring Jaxon's change of heart and allowing him to live. Though I am curious if we're going to get another world boss with this event, and how that'll pan out if we do. (I've been training up my battle pet specifically for world bosses and one hasn't hit yet, lmfao)
I'm thoroughly enjoying this plot and how it's gone so far. How casually a lot of it has come off up until this part lends well to making the impact of what happens a lot more emotional. Almost got me cryin'. I love it. I don't really mind whatever the ending might be, happy or tragic, I'd just love to see how it comes out whichever way!
Small brain: Plot discourse Big brain: Hehe dungarde is naked
I have nothing to add re: discourse but LIKE IN MY TINY SHRIVELED HEART I DO HOPE THAT THIS STORY HAS A HAPPY ENDING CUZ I REALLY SHIP THEM NO LIE BUT I ALSO WANT DUNGARDE TO BE HAPPY?!?
I'll always be hoping for a Hallmark Movie type of ending. :)
We're very fortunate to have a healthy amount of LGBT+ representation on Subeta. That said, and I'm glad someone pointed it out, Emma and Esther just got married, and are very happy in their little human life. This plot contains quite a few supernatural and historical aspects. I'm really not surprised that we've reached this kind of climax, given who the characters are as PEOPLE, and never once thought that this was a glaring nod to "bury your gays." The drama makes contextual sense and contributes to an engaging story. As part of the LGBT+ community who is rarely ever represented honestly, I'm really put off by this mindset that characters like this shouldn't star in such stories. Even if that's not the argument being made by some people here, it's certainly coming across that way.
That said, I'm cryin', well done.
Considering I never shipped this pairing in the first place, I'm okay with whatever happens. But y'all know that there's no way THIS site would ever separate those two, right? Before everyone starts calling the WAAAAAAmbulance about all the LBGTQWERTYIOP pairings never ending well and everyone hating on the gays, need I remind you that I believe this site's lore has remarkably few heterosexual couples.
Dips in The melodrama continues runs pinky along gum line good stuff.
sobbing uncontrollably
The Dungarde isn't the only one who's been isolated from the world for centuries. Clearly, the only acceptable resolution to this plot is for Jaxon and the Dungarde to both be freed, and then go vacationing around the world together with Ian. That would make for an awesome Instagram (Subetagram?).
Come on, staff, don't let me down now.
HOW DARE i'm literally crying rn i love these two dorks so much and i'm afraid they'll not be together anymore. i want them together forever
I'mma clear up a few things from my first comment just in case I've caused anything:
Also, there is literally no such thing as media without representation.""media representation" characters" is literally every character, ever.
Oh. My heart. I cry. Please don't hurt me (or Jaxian) this way ;; But really, it makes me wonder if Ian MIGHT have possibly died from his wounds without us (or him) knowing it. Remember the way the Dungarde initially reacted to his presence? He seemed put off in some way, and we don't know why. Maybe it wasn't just the Dungarde sensing Ian was weak when it came to Jaxon. Maybe he recognized a fellow "spirit" as it were, and didn't know why you were hanging out with him. Either way, you would've thought Jaxon would've sensed something... but maybe being in the spirit realm blocks his ability to detect spirit activity in the human world. Then again, he DID almost panic thinking Ian was in danger..... Anyway! I'm rambling now. Just hoping for a good outcome for these two. I love them so much, and I'd hate to think they'd have to spend an eternity apart. My little heart can't handle it ;; (Also I love the theory that the Dungarde is in some way a part of Jaxon, and freeing him means freeing them both... oh please oh please oh please let it be true!)
Maybe it's the writer in me but...Halloween involves joys and scares; Subeta Staff is just playing this up to include both. It makes sense, at least to me.
((Y'know though...with all the talk of suffering nightmares and dark dreams and spirits and whatnot...thiiiiiiiis would prolly be THE MOST PERFECT TIME for a Nightmare Zentu...I'm jus' sayin'...))
Thank you! That's exactly what I was trying to express earlier. I agree with you. Good example from LOTR.
Skhedu means mirror, Jaxon is freeing the Dungaurde from his curse which keeps it trap in a semi alive state, ?????, Profit.
This is alittle off topic, BUT, are we gonna get any new nightmare or dark matter colors this year? Maybe a blob of darkness....? :D
is it possible for us to keep the Reliquaries once this plot is over they are so beautiful!
I guess maybe I'm just really sick of discussion for stories around queer characters being turned up to 11. It's not "I hope it doesn't turn out this way" with this, it's "this is problematic and shitty 5ever if it turns out this way" and it is just peak exhausting...especially when the plot really is something I see happen with other couples in literature and there isn't nearly the kind of intense discourse about it.
It's kinda bugging me that there is Discourse around this plot given that...this is...literally the kind of plot certain het couples see. For instance, Aragon and Arwen in LotR, not only does Arwen outlive him but they don't even get to go to the same afterlife either, until the world is remade. Also, I dunno what to tell you, if the idea of the Third Act Conflict in every written plot ever is apparently Too Taboo for a gay plot... Like, yes, you're supposed to worry about how it'll turn out, that is literally the point of the buildup to the climax, that is literally how writing outside of some slow burn 200k word coffee shop AU works...
I swear to fuck, y'all, you better not ruin the only damn ship on this website that I care about.
THANKS I HATE IT