Subeautique: Mimi Moe Pride

September 7, 2018, 7:18 pm by

omg this is so amazing!

September 7, 2018, 12:51 am by

It took me too long to see the trans flag and now I need!!! I love of the inclusiveness this site has for the LGBTQA+ community. I need the pins and that jacket <3 (I do love the line, but hope to see a masculine line (or a npc like we have Jogoh) someday perhaps for us transmen/transmasculine folks too but for now I need these and I need those pins for my pet's TC :D)

September 5, 2018, 8:33 pm by

I love the explicit support from this site, like they have the specific flags and characters, as opposed to some media that just say "be yourself" and "love is love"; Subeta is specific in their support and allowing people to express their identities. x

September 5, 2018, 7:06 pm by

Had this come up in a news mail I get, it's a must watch of a very cool little 7 year old girl putting things into perspective. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gender-whisperers-scott-morrison-criticised-for-hateful-tweet-about-trans-students?cx_cid=edm:newsam:2019

September 5, 2018, 11:37 am by

Such a beautiful set <3 I really love the thicker lineart too!

September 4, 2018, 8:48 pm by

I can't speak for anyone else but my thought process was just THIS IS THE CUTEST THING IN THE WORLD I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE - though there are plenty of rainbow items on Subeta, I really hope they do other types of pride outfits! For me it's not about "Why this one and not this one?" but more "I love this one so I want other ones." Rainbow is so often the only representation available and while I personally love it (I know lesbians can have a complicated relationship with it but, well...I just really like rainbows, so it works out for me; plus the lesbian flags are strongly associated with gender expression and I'm neither femme nor butch so IDK which one I should even use), Subeta is a site I feel like can be counted on to represent more than one group of people at a time and I think they'll take that feedback to mean "There's a market for more of these," not "Shoot, no one wants trans pride items, back to the rainbows!"

I declined to ask if there would be more similar sets for just this reason - I didn't want to seem like I was being I ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN NOT ABOUT ME - but I was wondering/hoping! (I'm also hoping for more quest shop flags at some point!)

September 4, 2018, 8:40 pm by

you're pretty awesome dude

September 4, 2018, 4:48 pm by

most mimi moe lines don't have mouths actually, and two don't even have eyes! yeah idk why either but like. ok.

September 4, 2018, 4:02 pm by

Their posts are all gone... Good riddance, but it's sad that all proof of how awful their are is gone.

September 4, 2018, 2:45 pm by

if anyone likes the owl persons post please give me your username so i can block you thanks ;)

September 4, 2018, 2:44 pm by

Ah, I see. You're a transphobe! ?

September 4, 2018, 1:50 pm by

Preaching compassion and then calling trans folk mentally ill in a post that's meant to celebrate them isn't compassion. Just saying.

September 4, 2018, 10:42 am by

Hoooo boy... This comments section is gonna get interestin' real quick...

September 4, 2018, 10:33 am by

No mouth? That seems a little weird.

September 4, 2018, 10:32 am by

Big Yikes

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September 4, 2018, 7:42 am by

Trans-gender is not a sexuality, it is a mental health issue. Gender Identity Disorder and Gender Dysphoria are mental health issues because they are mental disorders. It is not normal to assume a gender for which you are not and it does create a very bad case of cognitive dissonance within the person. If slitting your wrists deems you mentally ill, why is mutilating your genitals or trying to bypass hormones in an unhealthy way not?

It is great to bring light to these issues and how they can be addressed in a healthy manner, but to accept them as something biologically normal is a very dangerous and unhealthy fallacy.

Enabling people who are suffering with mental health issues does not fix their problem, in fact, it can actually make it worse.

Even studies done for trans-gendered individuals have proven that this acceptance movement and gender reassignment surgeries did not make them happier nor improve their quality of life only a very small percentage saw improvement (which is good for those few). However, many still commit suicide and many still live with their other health issues unaddressed as well. So yes, if it can't physically be fixed, it means it is a mental issue within the person. You can believe however you like, I'll agree to disagree.

It is a bit entitled of you to assume I meant you. I didn’t, just to clarify. You accept yourself, and that is great, I wish you all the best. My message was a general one. I don’t mean to be offensive or rude or however you may think of what I said. If it is how you feel, my sincerest apologies.

I do care a lot about mental health, because I have and still struggle through it, family, friends, and many others I’ve known also struggle with it. I, however, do not separate trans from mental health like you do. They have a serious disorder which I really hope will one day see better treatments to help them heal outside of mutilating themselves.

I hope for better treatments for many disorders. Cause right now they drug ADHD kids with substances one methyl group away from crystal meth or with something close to synthetic morphine or legalized speed, and so on. I was one of those people who were drugged up as a child because society didn’t have time or care enough to help.

People are abandoned for every reason under the sun, not just because they are trans. Many people don’t know how to cope with someone else’s mental illness. Not because they don’t care, not because of religion (some cases yes) or whatever you believe a person who doesn’t comply with your view of the world thinks, it because it is far too much information to take in at once.

Stand in their shoes for a moment, just for a moment outside of your own preferential bias, and see the world from their eyes. I can extend the olive branch and see it from yours. I know how it feels to be tossed away because I didn’t fit their quotas for their acceptance, abandoned by family, not loved or wanted by people who birthed you, not because of anything I did wrong but because they were narcissistic and abusive. but that is because my family is dysfunctional, sadly many families are dysfunctional in today’s world.

This actually goes unaddressed all the time with many mental health cases, how many people have functional families?

I had a friend who identified as trans-male, they grew up in a Christian family. It hurt their mother so much to see their own family member in pain. But what made it worse for the mother was this her child’s friends enabling behaviors instead of helping the person come back to reality. It hurt the mother to see their own child become progressively worse. She didn’t get explanations because she was called a bigot, or not understanding enough, she was made to feel like she wasn’t a good enough parent. How many parents do you think get treated this way by their own trans children?

Love and understanding is a two-way street.

She didn’t throw her child out, she just didn’t believe hormone treatment was going to fix a problem that was mental. She was a very sweet lady by the way, very understanding and loving. How is a person in this woman’s shoes supposed to feel by your definition?

The reality is people are not comfortable with it, the majority of people are not comfortable with it and may never be comfortable with it. This is the risk I hope you understand and can accept because it may never change, I’m sorry, but it is the truth.

Also, some families abandon the person not just because they are trans, maybe that person is also toxic and just so happened to be trans? Could you really fault people for not wanting to deal with a toxic person? Maybe the family is really toxic, and the person is better off without them?

Compassion is a poorly understood concept. Compassion doesn’t mean compliance or even acceptance. It means seeing it from other people’s views and having a willingness to understand something even if you don’t agree with it, it is empathy.

If this item really does help people struggling with internal acceptance, that is great, more power to them and may they get all the love they need. But my question is what about the rest? What about the whole issue that surrounds this one? External acceptance is great, but it is also wishful thinking and perfectionist in nature.

If it can’t fit with the majority mindset, it will be rejected, unless it benefits the survivability of the species as a whole. This is how the world really works. I’m sorry if this offends you, if you could hear me speak I mean this in the most gentle of ways truly, not in sarcasm.

Also, I use quotations because sometimes people get offended for using their terminology. People can use quotation marks and not mean anything ill behind it.

I look at people this way, I may not agree with what they do or say, but I still love the person for who they are underneath unless they are a murderer or a real monster.

Do I agree with the trans movement in all of its entirety? No, because I think it is harming more people, not really addressing the whole scope of the problem, it has been used as a weapon to silence people’s free speech, used as a political point to lie and get votes, and worst of all divide people in the western world. Now you have trans-abled, trans-species, and a whole bunch of others that make zero sense at all. This also affects trans people trying to get mentally healthy.

And probably even worse yet, is this movement has caused a slew of other issues to be treated as a sexuality, since when was pedophila a sexuality and why on earth are people supporting this all of a sudden???

Do I wish the best for trans people? Yes, I’d love to see them get the help and care they need because all mental illnesses deserve that, but it has some serious issues in its community that they really need to address since "outsiders" like me are banned from speaking about it.

September 4, 2018, 1:42 am by

Normal human variations in gender and sexuality shouldn't be equated to mental illnesses. That's messed up.

September 3, 2018, 11:43 pm by

As a trans man, I do not appreciate you feigning concern about trans male representation in order to attack this outfit. I say "feigning" because you don't seem to support trans representation in general. I can speak for myself, and I am thrilled about these clothes (which I already said in this thread). I will not let people use "concern" for me to hurt my trans sisters.

Most of the clothing on Subeta is feminine anyway. It only makes sense that Subeta's first trans pride clothing set would focus on feminine styles. The first of everything on Subeta is feminine. Besides, there was a clear effort to include some items that trans people of any gender expression can use. Like the shoes.

I see no reason to believe that this is the one and only trans pride outfit that Subeta will ever have, so I think it's a bit early to complain about a lack of masculine clothing. But if you're not trans, it's seriously not your business to begin with.

Besides, not every trans woman is feminine, not every trans man is masculine, and not every non-binary person is androgynous. I have a more feminine expression, both IRL and on my HA. I can use all of these items except the hair and eyes. And the reason I wouldn't use the eyes has nothing to do with gender expression. It's just that I have brown eyes, and since I make HAs to express myself, I don't make HAs with blue eyes.

Also, I have an anxiety disorder and depression (for starters). Mental health issues are very common among trans people, because of how much gender dysphoria sucks, and because of how we're treated by society. It's especially bad if we are rejected by our families. So it's mostly the same reason that mental health issues are more common among non-trans LGB people.

So if you're concerned about mental health issues? This outfit, as well as the overall trans-positive attitude on Subeta, can and will have a positive impact on the mental health of trans people. (Same goes for the LGB representation/acceptance on Subeta and the mental health of LGB people.) Trans issues and LGB issues are not separate from, or in competition with, mental health issues. They're intertwined.

Something like this may seem small, but it's huge to us. Do you know how rare it is to see trans pride stuff? Or how good it feels when we do see it? As I said in my previous comment, I had to hover over six items before it hit me that the "pride" meant "trans pride". And I'm a trans guy. I'm familiar with the trans pride flag and colors. But even on Subeta, a site that does actually have some trans representation, my brain was just going "DOES NOT COMPUTE" until it saw the literal trans pride flag on the pin item.

And when it did compute? It made my day. I almost started to tear up, I just felt so overjoyed to be represented and accepted like that. (That should say something about how we're usually treated or how we expect to be treated. People who aren't starved for acceptance and positive representation aren't going to get this touched by an outfit on a pet site.)

September 3, 2018, 9:28 pm by

!!!!! this is wonderful! I hope we get more lines like this from other designers too, but gods this one is so cute! A great collection of wonderful trans pride themed items and learning about Mimi!

September 3, 2018, 9:10 pm by

I wonder if Mimi and Jogoh would get along well... They could certainly bond over shared experiences, and I'm proud of them both <3

September 3, 2018, 8:15 pm by

not to be dramatic but this is the cutest thing i've ever seen and i'm super excited to have more backstory on mimi. hope you guys plan to give us some insight on all of the subq designers - gotta be some awesome tales behind those designs and i trust the creative team at subeta to be able to tell all of them. <3

also, just a general question but if you see a specific issue being addressed or a marginalized group being honored, why is your first reaction to come to the comments to complain because a different group isn't getting attention? that seems sort of counterintuitive and reductive to the point of something like this - yes, the world is full of different struggles and not everyone is going to share the same ones, but can't we all celebrate small victories without needing to take the spotlight from them? :c

September 3, 2018, 7:34 pm by

Hey, uh, o0SnowyOwl0o? Your whole comment is a mess, but why did you put trans in scare quotes?

September 3, 2018, 2:34 pm by

lfmao the clothes are feminine bc mimi moe is a trans woman and this is a line about her pride as a trans woman!! jfc people...

September 3, 2018, 2:04 pm by

ok... uh a bit messy in design, too much going on with the jacket, hair looks like it needs more line work, and same with the eye design. But the shorts and shoes are cute.

Kind of not really inclusive either since it's for supposedly a "trans" girl?? So guys are just gonna get tossed to the side and not even be considered for masculine "trans" designs? I mean if people are going to play to the rhetoric of supporting everyone's deep inner struggles and so on, at least stick to the rhetoric and actually be inclusive, just saying.

Don't really see much for depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia or anxiety awareness or other major issues in the world... seems odd to me is all that mainly "pride" issues are usually the only main one's brought up... rather disappointing really. :(

September 3, 2018, 12:28 pm by

Sorry, I forgot I need to turn it into a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_flags#Transgender_Pride_Flag

The trans pride flag has been around for almost 20 years, so it's also traditional and established.

The rainbow pride flag is a good umbrella flag that can represent all LGBTQ+ people, but it's definitely more associated with LGB people, just like how people say "LGBT" when they don't really mean to include the T. I like the rainbow flag too, although I'm also pansexual, so I might feel differently if I was straight.

But even though I like it, it still doesn't represent trans pride to me the way the trans pride flag does. Being trans and being LGB are not the same thing, even if a lot of trans people are also LGB. It's important to have a flag that's specifically for trans pride.

September 3, 2018, 12:17 pm by

The rainbow flag is the gay or LGBTQ+ pride flag. It's not the only pride flag that exists. The trans flag, which is used in this outfit, is also a pride flag. Pink, blue, and white are trans pride colors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_flags#Transgender_Pride_Flag

September 3, 2018, 8:55 am by

I only meant that the pride flag is traditionally a rainbow, and this 'tique line has pride in the title.

September 3, 2018, 8:50 am by

Not all trans people are gay, so why would it have rainbows?

September 3, 2018, 7:21 am by

I really love the icon art. This set is so cute. And, hasn't the lineart always been that thickness? >_> Anyway, that pastel hair is just gorgeous. Thanks!

September 3, 2018, 6:27 am by

What happened with that line art? Mostly the shirt and the jacket got super thick line art.

September 3, 2018, 5:19 am by

I agree that the line art is too thick. Also I expected actual rainbows. Do we even have a rainbow 'tique line?

September 3, 2018, 4:56 am by

i concede that i didn't notice that feminine pronouns were used but it's only on one item so im sorry

September 3, 2018, 3:48 am by

for those complaining i think the point is mimi moe is. a transgirl..................................... if im reading the descriptions right. why wouldnt it be femme coded for. a transgirl?

September 3, 2018, 2:15 am by

I agree with , the theme behind this is great, but it's super geared towards feminin-coded characters. Which, honestly, is hardly new from the mimi moe line. Would have made more sense if there was a second, masculine-coded set to go with this one and people could mix and match.

September 3, 2018, 1:11 am by

Will there be other sets for other pride flags?

September 3, 2018, 1:05 am by

good™ concept, weird execution w/ it being mostly fem stuff tho, but thats just my Opinion

September 3, 2018, 12:11 am by

yes yes yes !!!! yes !!!!!!!!!!

September 3, 2018, 12:03 am by

Loving the thicker line art <3<3

September 3, 2018, 12:03 am by

Love the concept, not particularly impressed with the art. The thick lines and shading make it look a little outdated.

September 2, 2018, 11:44 pm by

i will agree that i wish the lapel pins were bigger and more visible. the item art is gorgeous, but on the actual HA they just look like blurry little blobs :(

September 2, 2018, 9:46 pm by

This is so lovely! I appreciate the throwback to thicker lineart. I have poor vision, and some of the newer items with the thinner, more subtle outlining loses a lot of the gorgeous detail for me. Rock the hell on, trans sibs <3

September 2, 2018, 9:19 pm by

such a thick lineart D:

September 2, 2018, 8:12 pm by

Pity the pin is so small and doesn't look like the actual flag when worn...

September 2, 2018, 8:06 pm by

As they said in The Simpsons: Happiness is just a Mimi Moe away

September 2, 2018, 8:02 pm by

As a trans person I love these!! I hope to get those eyes and jacket. Only complaint is that the line art is a little too thick imo but it doesent really matter since a lot of the older wears have thick line art anyway

September 2, 2018, 7:41 pm by

I love this so much, and the meaning behind the set is wonderful. <3

September 2, 2018, 7:36 pm by

It's really heartwarming to see a trans pride clothing set, it's a rare rare thing.

September 2, 2018, 7:25 pm by

The meaning to the items great, the items meh. They seem heavily lined more like the old art styles of Subeta's younger days than what we've seen of late. Don't hate me for saying this it's just an opinion and they are still lovely in their own right just not as good as what has been on offer.

September 2, 2018, 5:58 pm by

This set is SO cute, I don't know if I want to wear it, or put it into Moogenta's treasure chest!

September 2, 2018, 5:56 pm by

that hair! i must have it

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