for anyone wondering why america legalizing non-heterosexual marriage is so important, esp. if you're not american, consider that america is the cultural superpower of the world. they actually have the power to effectively sanction other countries for not legalizing non-het marriage, so it's a big step for us queer folx not from the us too! not that i agree with cultural imperialism or anything but yknow
No fair, you deleted my "Super win" comment to Sleeb! Now how was that out of line, party-pooper? :p (And since voice inflection doesn't carry over into typed words, I AM just joking here)
Um what. I didn't say anything offensive.
and some other people I forgot to copy/paste the name of
I've deleted your comments. I'd suggest taking a look at the guidelines you agreed to :)
Let's all please remember the Community Guidelines we've all agreed to. Be kind to each other!
God is Love, Love is Love. Love wins.
Congrats to all those who get the happily ever just like everyone else! It's a human right to have the one you love right beside you :)
All those people complaining about this... what do you want to bet they still accepted the free gift? ;)
Finally. Really its a great news. I listen this yesterday and i be joy for the people who was waiting so long for that. In argentina its able to this marriage of same sex. Really is a nice and good goal reached. Nothing wins against love. PD: thanks for the cake :D!
Thank you for the gift! Love Wins!
YAAAAASSS
Beautiful! :) Very happy with this!
Thank you!
As a christian I have my right to my beliefs. That however does not give me the right to break the terms and conditions of this site. To disrespect those who believe differently is actually against my beliefs. I believe in tolerance and love for all God's children irregardless of their orientation. We are asked to use the golden rule on this site and I hope I can do that. This is a wonderful and generous site. Being disabled and almost home bound, I appreciate getting to come here and play. It is a beautiful gift. Great art. Thank you, and the whole Subeta staff.
Y'all know the site you are playing on is owned by a gay man, right?
honestly coming to news posts like this and being reminded that being gay is a sin is so refreshing because i LOVE sinning and am constantly looking for ways to collect more sin points. i'm hoping that once i eventually get gay married i'll have compiled enough to be sent directly to hell!
Matthew 6 passages seem relevant here --
6:1 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven."
6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."
Respect that this discussion is 100% not about Christianity, or even the specific Christian definition of marriage, and let people have their moment.
After some clarification (thanks to PhoenixRose) I became aware of the fact. The original news post (not on Subeta) I read was worded a bit oddly and made it seem as though a law had been made. That's why I asked for an explanation. Thank you for you help. :)
I think people confuse strong friendships of males with being gay... Do they even do that with females???
Such a beautiful item. Brought tears to my eyes. Once again, congratulations to all the happy couples!
Oh no! My poor greedy gourmand pet is just salivating to get her teeth into that cake...but I can't...just can't feed it to her, because then it will be gone and its so pretty!
Congratulations to all the Americans for living in a country which is now a little bit more fair and equal!
vacuums up confetti from the floor XD
Congrats to the LGBT, I am very happy for you!!
(I posted this in the other news thing, wanted to post it here, oops.)
I think it's time to cast some of this crew off your ship. eyes the guidelines
Wow, it's been a full day and the Earth is still spinning. Who would've guessed?! This item is freaking adorable I love it ouo
Lmao Christians didn't invent marriage bruh, it's changed a hundred times before and it'll change a hundred times more in the future. Saying you believe in traditional marriage is kind of ignorant, it's just picking a set of ideals you believe are right and forcing it on other people - your traditional marriage is not the same as anyone elses, there are other religions that practice marriage and far older ones than Christianity. Or do you believe in marriage so traditional that you have to cut out the heart of a mammoth to propose to your cave wife or something in which case godspeed man.
Oh and Congrats to the US and thank you for the free gift. :)
For those worried that they may be forced to do business with the LGBT community most states have or are trying to implement the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Clinton put it into place in 1993 but States seem to want to implement their own act.
Yeah, most people I've heard were really supportive, and it is a great step forward. But, there are these people who are pretty much just
Thanks for that extra information! I don't think anyone sees him as a role model though. I only brought it up to say "See, the bible does include us without us being struck down or being ordered to death by Christians" because the number one argument is always "Well the bible says it's a sin!" Well so is eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabric clothing..
David definitely wasn't gay. At most, he was bisexual. After Jonathan's death, David had multiple wives and concubines as King, by which he had many different children, and thus slept with regularly.
Also in II Samuel, David was strongly attracted to Bathsheba, a woman, whom he got pregnant and even ordered the slaying of her husband, Uriah, so he could marry her. According to Wikipedia, "He immediately desired her [Bathsheba] and later made her pregnant." David not only caused Bathsheba to be unfaithful to her own husband, but tried to trick Uriah into sleeping with Bathsheba to then get Uriah into thinking Bathsheba's child was his. This "displeased the Lord", quite obviously. David was not a good person. He went out of his way to murder and trick an innocent man who would die for him, and I don't understand why any people, much less gay people, would look up to David as a role model.
The true nature of David and Jonathan's relationship is also still very divisive among modern day scholars. On the Wikipedia page, there are arguments both for and against the romantic interpretation of their relationship.
Just so y'all know. Not all heterosexuals claim marginalization because of equal marriage rights ;) Married heterosexual male here who doesn't feel like his marriage is invalidated because other people who love each other can marry each other XD. I mean seriously how can you look at something like this and not think it's a great accomplishment (regardless of the future steps that need to come). Religious or not, if you don't support equal rights, you need to think about your own life more-so than worrying about anyone else's. It's completely and utterly ridiculous and absolutely not okay to base an opinion solely on one part of a book that contradicts that very same view time and time again (and many branches of religions have addressed that by addressing the hatefulness and fixing it for the good, as someone has already pointed out). It's completely and utterly ridiculous to base an opinion on sheer ignorance as well, they're different so you shouldn't have to treat them like humans? Not taking in to account that any person you meet could be different from you in any number of different ways and you'd never have a clue? /end rant
Anyways, in closing <---- Proud to be a heterosexual man, and proud of my country for making a step in the right direction, and befuddled at anyone who thinks its a bad think, regardless of basis.
This is a really nice item! Very cute!
Concerning the topic: I'm happy for every bit of freedom any kind of people gain if I'm concerned or not. So for that I'm happy for all LGBwhatever people in the USA which can have a relationship legalized now how it should be for every consenting couple.
To those who feel disagreement about laws like this: I can't understand in which way this could diminish my heterosexual relationship in anyway and I just don't understand how anyone else can feel that way.
To be honest, I really don't understand why it should matter for me or anyone else if consent adult people want to marry and are allowed to do so. It's their thing what they do or not and not mine.
As long as no one forces me to divorce my husband and marry a woman (and honestly, who would want that?) do whatever pleases you.
As far as I'm concerned: every lesbian is a girl less to worry about so go on girls! Be happy with each other and leave my man alone ;) . Any other sexual orientation just is no concern of mine so be what you are, do what you want and be happy with it. As long no one is hurt or forced I'll be dammed if I care.
Heterosexual cis people ALREADY HAD THE RIGHT TO MARRY, so they shouldn't silence people who are not cis straight.
Going and saying "I don't want the site to go all gay" is an attempt at silencing people who are beaten up, forced in convertion therapy, and are considered subhuman still in many parts of the world.
What baffles me is how players really believe they can take something that means so much to a LOT of other players and either make it all about themselves and how they worry about their world-wide accepted sexuality being threatened (you know who you are) or push their own personal beliefs into it and try to ruin it (you also know who you are) based on a religion that was literally founded on incest and marriages based on slavery and the exchanging of money/land/livestock for a bride (or brides since a lot of Biblical men had MANY wives). Also, fyi, there was a gay couple in the Bible and God blessed their union. Just saying. (David and Jonathan, in the book of I Samuel and II Samuel)
We've been in the closet long enough, okay? If you have reason to speak out against this decision for ANY reason, how about you just go give that closet a try and keep it to yourself and your little like-minded friends through sMail? Yeah, don't think no one noticed the heart counter going up on certain posts and people leaving comments on the author's profile asking to friend because they share similar views. We noticed.
Congratulations to the usa for finally catching up! And big congratulations to all those who can get married now!
Since I forgot to say this before, I LOVE that Subeta is 'so gay'. I was thrilled with the Jaxon + Ian outcome of the Morostide plot, and about Esther and Emma too. It's WONDERFUL that this site, unlike so, so many others, has a representation of GLBT people. I love all the rainbow clothes (look at my HA lol!) And the cake was brilliant! Go gay, Subeta! Go gay!
carries a giant paint can full of rainbow paint
America is finally going the right way in equality for all people of all pursuits. LGBT rights are no longer snuffed out by congress or the states.
That said, the cake looks amazing. Perfect for this occasion.
This is a small step, but for once, our justice system has done s/thing right. <3
I wish I had the energy to comment to EVERY one of you who is so brilliant in standing up to attempt to communicate why this is so important to those who don't get it--and who are apparently feeling SO threatened--which is interesting because two gay men can't hold hands in public in most places in the world w/out fearing for their lives, and this is a very small privilege that many people who are blind to those of us who are LGBT take for granted.
And I remembered the other thing I wanted to say: "Hate is NOT a family value" that was one of my fave T-shirt slogans in the 90's. I'm NOT saying that people here are being hateful, that comment (and slogan) is directed at the religious right who think it's NOT a family value to support gay rights.
THANK YOU! I like that one better, it rhymes, and Happy Birthday fellow Cancer (mine was last weekend).
Thank you and I must say that's a brilliant comment about the regularly schedule programming continuing soon enough.
so glad you're here making a difference, educating others, and hugging people (and being brilliant).
Thank YOU for your brilliance and for sticking your neck out and saying a LOT of important things. I'm very tired (and old) and if I had the energy I'd be more specific.
I can't comment to everyone who's saying the great things here, but I am very happy to see so many people working at communicating with the unfortunate souls who just don't "get" how important this is.
As far as people being murdered for NO reason, for those of you who are willing to expand your horizons and try to understand why equal rights for all are so important please google Matthew Shepard. He was brutally murdered in the 90's by two young men who picked him up at a gay bar and feigned interest.
Also . . . I can't remember what I was going to say, but hours ago someone said they were going to pay attention to who was saying what so they could avoid those who were being NOT gay friendly, good thought. I wonder if there's a cult here for LGBT--and others, maybe, since being exclusive would be like everyone else, right? Not sure if that makes sense, too tired . . .
If either of you are making your comments from a Christian standpoint, let me tell you, you're failing hard. core. at Christianity. Like, SERIOUSLY hard. And running afoul of a number of rules laid down by JC Himself in the process, which you'll kiiiiiind of have to answer for on the day of judgment. Just sayin'. I can provide chapter and verse for each and every one, too, if you don't believe me.
Also, LOLing at the "BAWWW TEHY'RE GONA FORCE CHURCHES TWO MARRY TEH GHEYS" and "But what about ME, a STRAIGHT person?!?!?!?!" posts. Keep it classy, guys.
I don't understand how anyone could be opposed to other human beings lacking basic human rights. It doesn't affect you, yet you're making it about you anyway. Fun fact: you can support something on a political level that you personally disagree with. Because it's the right thing to do. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you have to have anything at all to do with it.
If you don't support gay marriage, don't have a gay wedding.
super happy for all my fellow queer friends in america! <3333 hopefully australia is next :D
bless this gay site
How anyone could stand for legal inequality is beyond me. A long, long time ago, it was illegal in many states for black people and white people to marry, too. In a very wise decision, that injustice was also corrected (by being made illegal,) by the Court. The rights of LGBT people are not lesser than the rights of hetero people, regardless of how you perceive us, or how the religion(s) of some view us. To deny gay (and all the other non-hetero and/or non-binary) human beings a fundamental human right, marriage, is to deny us equal justice under the law. It is to support state-sanctioned bigotry. As a nation, we have just lived through one terrible and tragic example of what bigotry can lead to. LGBT people have also been murdered for nothing more than ignorance and prejudice. All lives matter. Equally.
hey you (hug)
I am excited for this! Two people in love should be allowed to be legally married, no matter what gender.
joins the cheer Good for you, America! ^_^V
Three cheers for equality!
I'm so glad and proud that this decision was finally made. It was frankly long overdue. And this is such a lovely item too and I enjoy seeing the LGBT being represented here on Subeta.
Love is love.