D'awww, my Pink Kumos girl got so cute! <3
darko: the frontlegs seem a little... stiff? and the hidden hindleg a little... long? well, the stiff pose of the frontlegs is my main matter, besides that i realy like the darko-revamp (yay, a first for me? XD) LOVE the tails! - liked the 'fluff adding' idea by HoleWeet too, but not the muzzle/nose, it's great the way it is. ------------- hm, i intend to turn Ramah from Twilight to Galactic since the anatomy on those got fixed, so i don't care for the fading colors... otherwise i'd be peeved about how the eyes became dull. XD but yeah, the (shading/redraw) update is great.
I really love this new revamp, but there are a couple things that bother me about it. Even though it looks like I wrote OMG A LOT it really is just a bunch of minor tweaks except for the one about the leg pose. It's pose does seem really awkward, but I don't think it's an anatomy issue. From what I can see, it looks like the hind leg on the right is bent too much. It looks like it's stepping down from or onto something besides the flat plane the rest of its legs are on. Usually that works in an action pose, but for the darkonite's standing pose it simply looks awkward. It does appear in the old darkonite as well, and it's actually one of the things I disliked about it. The second thing is the face. While this is a HUGE improvement on both the old darkonite and the first revamp suggestion, there's still a couple things that I think many people agree need to be tweaked just a little. One of those things is the muzzle, yes the old darkonite has a round muzzle, but so did a lot of other old pets that got revamps without it.(I believe the ontra and feli could be examples of a less round nose now than before). The new darkonite looks like its muzzle is nearly detatched from the face. I believe this could be fixed with a simple move of a line. I think the line that defines the muzzle is too long. Even on the old darkonite it wasn't as long. End the line earlier and the muzzle won't be so defined. The other thing on the face that could use some tweaking is the eye area. Most people are saying the iris/pupil is too small, and I think most of that has to do with how large the highlight is. The eyes themselves look very nice, but I think making the iris/pupil just slightly larger and decreasing the size of the highlight would go a long way toward making the eyes look larger. The area where the brow meets the skull helmet is a little odd too. The transition is very sudden and jarring. While the old darkonite has that too, the lines on the new one are much more defined making it just that much more obvious. I can't think of anything to fix it other than thinning those lines though. There's just two more tiny things that could be changed: please add the eye-scar back! It gave so much character to the darkonite. The other thing is the shading on the side of the belly near the front leg. Why is there a spike in the shadow there? It simply doesn't make sense because the arm pit doesn't reach up that far and the shading isn't smooth enough to pull off that odd transition. The leg shadow should end lower than the belly shadow starts.
Tl:dr, I voted for the new one despite it's many mini flaws. The art is too much of an over-all improvement to discard. C:
Love the new Kumos! It definitely needed a revamp but I feared it will look completely different. Glad the artist had still kept its original look!
The Darkonite is a lot better but it still seems a little odd. The anatomy's great but I feel its muzzle is looking odd and possibly needs to be smaller. I'm personally not keen on the Darkonite at the beginnings but its looking good already! :)
I also voted for the old. The art for the Darkonite is a lot better than the old art, but idk, the head really needs to be worked on more. The older one it looks like the artist pretty much, the new one looks too small and smushed together for me.
Seconding 's notes on the darkonite. I love it like ten times as much with those edits... @;;
Everything that could been said has already been said, plus put more eloquently then me... But I still prefer the old Darkonite since he really looks like he put the DARK in Darkonite!
I... Still vote for the old darko.
I like the new darkonite, but something seems..off, about it. I think it's the position the head is in. My vote goes for the old one, though I don't really mind the new one.
I second Mayonaka's post about the proposed revamp's pose. Like Mayo said, it looks like it's leaning away from the viewer (and could possibly be tipped over if you prodded its shoulder). I agree that the chest plate and the angle of the head might have something to do with it. I would like to add my two cents, as well, that the issue also lies with the neck-claw on its right, not ours--I'm not sure the viewer should be able to see it. There are some other things that many people have pointed out, but enough people have stated their case that I feel I would just be exhausting those particular topics. The leaning posture, though... I felt like some more attention should be called to it.
That said, I also agree with those who pointed out that the new Darkonite is sleek and it has a great sneer. This pet looks like it's on the prowl. I like the tails and how they have life to them, like a pair of scorpion stingers. I like that there are two face spikes instead of three.
I voted old because enough about the revamp bothers me, but I do think you guys are on the right track.
Also, the Kumos looks lovely, in my humble opinion. So soft and fluffy and is that a hint of a mouth I see there?
Yay for the Kumos but I'm still a bigger fan of the original artwork for the Darkonite. The new stuff just makes him look too friendly, the whole reason I got one was for that almost sinister look. The new revamp is like, "Oh look how kawaii" to me. Not a fan. Bummed that it seems to be going that way though :( bye bye sinister looking pet clings I know mine has an overlay but I don't like that solution from people. When I go to look him up it's still going to show the default photo.
Plus, the darkonite looks nothing like any of its other color variants so all those would eventually get re-done too.
Just a personal edit. The muzzle looks awkward to me. I made it more cat-like because I felt like the original darkonite was supposed to resemble a cat; but that's just my interpretation.
I added some fluff to his elbows/ankles because his legs look a bit smooth/plain to me, and I edited the paws and added claw slits; again because of the plain...ness.
But again this is just my own personal take on it. :3
Loving the kumos! And the darkonite looks muuuuch better than the old update. I do prefer the eyes on the previous one, though.
I've always thought the Kumos' right war was a bit too small, and it's been corrected on the new version. alo, the shading looks way more natural, more convincing now... though the old one was good enough as it was. look at some Hippotus or Swampies- these are the pets that could REALLY use an update. won't complain, though.
and about the Darkonite- I never liked it's derpy muzzle, now it looks much better. I think the grey in the eyes should be darker, because the other one was nearly black, and it would bring out the red much better. I don't really like the horns though, especially the left one- looks like an ice cream cone to me. the anatomy is obviously much better, though, and I really adore these tails <3 a good revamp, imo.
I like the old Darkonite better because it looks more badass 8D
Lovely new Kumos. :3
Voted for the old Darkonite again, I really like them the way they are and apart from an update in coloring/shading I don't think that they need a revamp. The current proposals' pose also looks kinda stiff, the eyes are too small and the face is still too chibi looking and friendly (the grumpy face of the current Darkonite is what I like the most about it).
I kinda like the proposed darkonite revamp. Well someone has to, over 2100 of us have voted for it xD What really gets me is the shading at the top of its left hind leg, you see how the light and the shadow kinda makes it look like there's a big sausage-shaped patch down the top of the leg rather than the light/shadow fitting to the contour of the leg? Anyone else see that? It just- I can't unsee and its bugging me x.x
I actually like the new eyes. It looks more nice, yet somewhat darkish. Beautiful revamp!
I like the updated shading and pose of the Darkonite, but I still voted for the old one; I love its expression. The brain of the new one also looks a little strange to me.
To SemeSam: I'm neither "ignorant" nor "lazy" simply because i don't want to use overlays...the fact is, i don't even like the whole idea of overlays. If i wanted to use my own artwork, i wouldn't bother with a pet site; i'd draw my own creatures and create my own pet page on webs.com or something. What you are failing to realize is that there are more places than just pet lookups where we see and interact with our pets. When i take my pets into the battle arena or read them books or feed them or whatever, i have no choice but to see the original Subeta artwork and that is what i WANT to see. I use the sidebar widget that shows me my active pet just because i like to look at him and "bring him with me" everywhere i go on the site. There is no overlay option for that, nor would i want there to be. You have stated your opinion that the revamp is fine as far as you're concerned and that's great - now leave it at that. There's no reason to get all obnoxious and stir up drama about it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...even people who disagree with you, believe it or not!
To Xiria: Hmm, you're right, that is a more drastic change than i realized they had made to the Kumos. I think the new one's eyes are prettier, but it is a shame the markings are so washed-out looking. I prefer the old one's shinier nose too...healthy dogs do tend to have wet, shiny noses. I don't own a Kumos, but i would be disappointed about those changes too, if i did.
The hind leg's connection to the body is better on the older Darkonite revamp. The helmet shape over the eyes is also somewhat awkward looking in this new revamp. I think too much is missing over the right eye. Otherwise, I really like the new revamp. The eyes are much brighter than the first revamp without being as cartoony as the original. The paws and hooves are a great improvement as well.
I should not have to pay someone to make me an overlay to fix pupils that are way too small too begin with.
The only trait I dislike on the new darkonite is the eye size, aside from that it looks pretty good, definitely an improvement on the other redraw some referenced here! ^^ I suppose he does seem kind of stiff when compared with the 'special' colors but that's kind of expected. I agree with the twilight kumos owner that the purple seems drained out there. :/ I do, however, like the higher contrast between the light and dark grey fur patches. ^^ You can't tell as much with the coloring on the common kumos but that helps highlight the differences in how the fur tufts are lined and I really love the subtle changes there. :)
Love the kumos shading, its so much less flat. Even the slight shade changes seem to work well.
And with the darkonite I think the smile is the only thing that keeps it from feeling the same. I love everything else about it, but for some reason that grin seems odd when you look at the pout/frown on the old guy. Otherwise I love it and would consider owning one.
The new Darkonite looks mostly good. The upper part of the back leg looks too thin, I'd prefer a bigger iris (and possibly bigger nose) to look more like the original, and I think it might look better with three spikes on its cheeks like the original instead of just two. Otherwise I think it's great.
As for the Kumos, I thought it looked great on the front page when I saw the new shading. Then I saw my own Twilight Kumos. He looks like all the purple was sucked out of his eyes and markings and injected into his nose and ears instead, and he's noticeably lighter grey than he was before the revamp, too. I may be able to get used to this change, but right now I'm really not liking how washed out his colors look all of a sudden. Does anyone else here own a commonpose Kumos, and if you do, how do you feel about the color changes on yours (good, bad, or about the same)?
To the user who reiterated the point about putting in an overlay. You are soooooooo annoying. With your reasoning, Subeta need never bother to update any pets at all. This is a poll requesting opinions. We comprehended your opinion in your first post. Your second post was overkill.
I still prefer the current Darkonite by far, its look/expression/pose etc is what originally drew me to the pet when I first joined the site 3 years ago. The Kumos looks lovely but I wish that the Darkonite could receive the same treatment that it did and rather than totally changing the art just update the current version to fit more with the style of newer pets. Voted for the old Darkonite and unless things change likely will continue to do so. :P
The whole point was to offer constructive criticism. If people just stepped back and let it happen then what's the point on having a voice? Some people can't afford to commission overlays and/or don't have the time to draw them or whatever. If that's the case, I, for one, would want a pet I'm at least 50% or more happy with looking at, wouldn't you? I'm personally one that doesn't like offering constructive criticism, especially for a pet without offering positive feedback at the same time, which is why I did what I did in that massive, storybook-like post of mine lol! There should be good, positive feedback with constructive feedback at the same time...when the situation calls for it. In this case, it did :)
I know I said somewhere in a recent news post that if a pet's color was changed all you'd need is a pet overlay, but my own comment started bothering me and is why I'm fixing that comment I made now. People should be partially happy at least with a pet revamp and not so angry with a change that they want to get rid of their pet(s)'(s) specie altogether :)
the ears STILL look like shit and the eyes do not look like the old darkonite (and the one before thats) eyes. for me the eyes have always been a huge selling point. make another pet if you want to use a retarded dog, but leave the darkonite please.
Go ahead and say that they are a big deal but honestly I think they look fine. People are just being picky. All i'm seeing here is negative negative negative. Everyone is going to be upset with a revamp, so if your upset with it use an overlay. Don't complain about something that can be fixed that easily. Subeta allowed the use of overlays for a reason, to make your pet look like how you want it to. And if you don't like it then use an Overlay. I'm sorry but its a simple solution that will make everyone happy and again you're just either ignorant or lazy if you're not going to use a simple overlay.
A couple of people made comments that pretty much nailed the feeling i get from the revamped Darkonite's eyes/brows but i couldn't quite figure out how to explain. They do make me think of glasses or goggles. It looks like it's wearing some kind of vintage granny glasses from the 1950s. That seriously does not work for this pet...lol
the new one looks too cutesy
I am in the minority voting for the old Darkonite. All I thought needed tweaking was the elephant feet. I don't like the twisted muzzle and long legs. Seems that the majority of people like it though, so I suppose my opinon is not particularly relevant to anyone but me.
See - the kumos touchup/revamp/whatever you call it is fabulous. It updated the art, without fucking up the pet.
Whyyy can't the darkonite have the same thing? :| Just trace over it and keep the same pose and art, just update it a bit... Its been done before, don't know why its being pushed for such a drastic change lol.
Especially when the kumos shows how just some shading updates can really make a pet look nice. IDK
Not a fan of the new one at all.
Kumos colors are looking spiffy though!
I like how the original one looks like it's looking right at you, and I like the added detail of the new one (such as texture to the head). Squish those two together if you ask me. lol
Love the new Kumos. I dislike the darkonite though. It looks like it's stuffed as in taxidermy stuffed. Very, very stiff looking.
I think those colors will get revamped down the line anyway because they were drawn with the Darkonites first revamp in mind.
Both revamp proposals don't look like any of its special colours. If it looked closer to them then I think it would be alright. Right now he looks a little stiff and awkward and doesn't quite fit in or look consistent.
I'm glad to see the Kumos get updated, hope that means the chibi will sometime in the coming year or so.
Kumos update = fabulous in every single way.
However I'm not a huge fan of the Darkonite. Others who have posted lists pretty much summed up how I feel- this one is nowhere near as "fierce" as the older Darkonite. I love the feet but I wish they were more "planted" to the ground so to speak. The old Darkonite looked very sturdy, like it was angry and was holding it's ground, but with this one I feel like the way the feet are posed more delicately it looks less strong and sturdy. It looks too "smooth" and gives off a less grungy feel than the other one as well. I much prefer revamp . The artwork in this one itself is great as usual but I feel like this is almost another pet entirely, not a true Darkonite. This one looks too clean, if that makes sense.
Love the kumos!
But the darkonite's left eye looks definitely off. It looks uneven and odd. :(
Can we get a redo on this revamp? It's kinda... merp
I do not like the eyes to helmet transition. The part above the right eye has no helmet and goes straight from eye to brain. Please fix.
PROS: The paws, hooves and tails LOOK GREAT, I like the bonier, more chiseled look of the bone helm and the muzzle is an acceptable mix of round'n'square but unfortunately, the cons seriously outweigh the pros here. (I know, I know when aren't they? Check out my review of the Rreign revamp, if you guys still have it, and the Harvester. :P Bang on jobs there.)
CONS:
You guys got the formulas to make this great. You just have to take what was awesome about revamp one and meld them with revamp two to make this right. I also sort of like the tails of revamp one, over revamp two but that's minor thing.
I hope to god you guys listen to this list and others like it below because I really love this species, I can't picture Johari as any other race and I can't afford to get overlays and honestly, I don't want to overlay him. He's my adopted child, my second pet and even though the art is dated, I'd much rather have it on my profile than either revamp as they are right now.
The new Kumos looks great! I really like how it was just a shading change; I can't picture the Kumos looking much different. xD
The revamped Darkonite's face seems a little off- I think it's the right (on your left) eye. It seems a little small... The ridge-y rings (not sure about wording) are a bit too bulgy, as well, and the hoof is a shade too light for my tastes. Other than that, it looks good! I love Darkonites, and they do kind of need a revamp. :'3 Just... Don't change the nightmare Darkonite, please. ;3;
I like the body of the new Darkonite over the original, but this new version is still too happy looking for me--I like the expression of the original much better, it is less of a smirk and more of a grimace. I also wish the eyes were a bit brighter so they are more visible and I wish the spikes were closer in color to the hooves and chest area. I love my Glade Darkonite just the way he is, so I hope these changes only pertain to the "basic" colors if the switch is made. :(
CRAAAP I voted for the wrong Darkonite ><; I like the new version. It sticks pretty close to the old Darkonite, though my only quirk is that his mouth doesn't make him look as severe - like Wolf_Spirit said, the Darkonite looks disgusted at something. I really like his "I don't approve of this" mouth.
I like the new revamp for the Darkonite aside from the eyes. It kinda looks like it's almost wearing glasses or something? I think it would look better without those extra curled lines between the eyes... the brow lines (I guess they are?) should finish where the helmet does. But that's just my opinion. I like this one a lot more than the first proposed revamp :) The Kumos update looks great!
Love the kumos updates! :)
I didn't eve see the tilt XD Personally I'm -hoping- they get to the other pets soon the really need it
On the Darkonite, keep the current head and put it on the new body.