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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago Official
Keith
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happy luminaire, everyone! 🎁

we’re about to relaunch the mysterious melody feature, where users can team up and send gifts throughout the day. we tested it last week with gold account users (just one of the perks of going gold!) and i’m wrapping up the final copy rn. but i want to break down one specific feature (and a bug i causedβ€”and fixed) in more detail.

NPC Agents

a big issue with the subeta economy is how npcs typically just conjure items out of thin air. it’s convenient for new features with fresh item pools, but it floods the market, removing incentives to keep your shop stocked.

with mysterious melody, i wanted to bring in an npc to join your group without making it feel shady or fake. so: melody joins each group and buys items from user shops throughout the day, prioritizing wishlist items from group members.

this is the first time we’ve had an npc act like a real userβ€”melody uses the same system players do to make purchases. we added safeguards to keep her in check: 1. rarity limits: melody won’t buy retired or custom wearables, but she’s not locked to r1-99 like most site features. she’ll grab event items or game prizes if they’re listed cheap enough. 2. sp limits: like everyone else, melody has a budget. if she runs out of sp, we get an alert in staff chat to investigate. if her account hasn’t been exploited, we can top her up as needed.

yes, her programming is very basic right now!

Item Prices

to support melody’s buying behavior, we needed a better way to track item prices over time. right now, items have a static userPrice property that only updates monthly via cron. that’s not ideal for real-time pricing decisions or historical tracking.

melody now evaluates whether an item in a shop is a β€œdeal” and can snag it quickly. this upgrade will eventually be available to everyoneβ€”just need to optimize the queries first.

coming soon: price tracking for all!

πŸ› Bugs Introduced

testing new systems is always… fun. on friday, melody bought 645 items for ~15 million sp. most of the time she paid the right price, but sometimes she didn’tβ€”she overpaid, putting 2-3x the item price into your till (and sales history). πŸ˜…

97% of the overpayments came from her using historical data to buy at the high end of an item’s price range. on the flip side, there were three cases where melody bought a cw for its csc price in sp. all three transactions have been reversed, and the users were notified (and directed to this thread).

as for the overpayments? we’re not reversing those. enjoy the extra sp. πŸ˜‰

What Next?

i’m hyped to see how mysterious melody shakes things up, especially with melody acting as a πŸ€– all month. here’s what i’m hoping for:

  1. more activity in user shopsβ€”not just melody snagging items for gifts, but players pricing items to attract that sweet melody money.
  2. a wider variety of sourced items. since melody isn’t limited to r1-99, she can pull in event prizes, special items, etc., making the end-of-day gifts more exciting.

let’s see how it goes! stay tuned for the relaunch of mysterious melody.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Flowery

Can’t wait for this tbh!


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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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SapphireSeasGoddess

Great! Looking forward to participating next time. I also am in favour of the return of price tracking!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago Official
Keith
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This is not a mysterious melody feedback thread - we'll be launching it live later today. You can use the GA testing thread for any questions or feedback until then.

From the GA testing thread:

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Testing Details</p>
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<li>The code that makes the group is running every minute instead of 5 minutes</li>
<li>The code that completes the day and closes all the groups is running every 30 minutes</li>
<li>This is a test. Don&;t put in items worth millions of sP.

So I suspect you were paired with people who were following those details from the first post.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Ant

The testing was fun, excited to try using this when it comes out!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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ACME

I am SO EXCITED for this feature!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Lou Sullivan

this is awesome! i can't wait to see how it plays out, thanks so much for putting time into this and getting it running! MM was always one of my favorite parts of lumi!!

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Looking forward to trying this out!

Thank you anonymous!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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this is great, thanks keith!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago Official
Keith
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πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ I forgot the whole section about what I'm excited about these agents being able to do in the future!

with Melody buying from user shops, she is prioritizing items from wishlists. the next phase of that might look like prioritizing books that a pet hasn't read yet, or food that a pet hasn't had before. lots of really exciting opportunities to use what we know about the user to make sure that items are more personalized than just a wild spray of r1-99 items.

this kind of πŸ‘οΈ mind reading πŸ‘οΈ can be used in non-agent ways as well - we can have quests ask for things using those same parameters. i'm excited to see where we're able to take it!

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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You are so sweet . Thank you for always thinking about making the game better. Hugs!! Happy Holidays and Merry Luminaire to you!!

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago Official
Keith
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i hear you! i directed you to the other thread because that’s where i’m actively collecting feedback and answering questions about that specific feature. it helps me keep everything organized and ensures that nothing gets missed. i might not be actively posting, but it's where i've specifically asked for this kind of question so that i can include it in my work.

your question absolutely counts as valuable input, and i want to make sure it’s part of that conversation. this topic is about NPC agents. if there’s something i’m misunderstanding about what you’re looking for, let me know.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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This seems like a very smart and creative way to not just re-tool MM but to open up variability in future activities and NPC interactions. Excited to see how this goes and what it brings to the site moving forward.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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OK I am legitimately confused. What does random Melody buying things from user shops have to do with Mysterious melody?

The reason I do not participate in Mysterious Melody is I will throw in something worth 20 il and be gifted back something that is work 8k. So for me, in the past, it was never a good trade.

So how are these two features connected? Sorry but I am really confused. lol

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Looking forward to Melody wilding out soon! XP

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago Official
Keith
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no worries at all, this is a precursor post! there is a Gold Account Testing Thread that outlines the functionality of the new MM (spoiler: you get put into a group of multiple users, and melody, to try and balance it out).

we noticed that she made some mistakes purchasing items during that test and i wanted to get a thread explaining why you might see melody in your shop logs out asap.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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Starshadow Tasha

I've never tried this because I've heard in the past that a user either didn't get anything from their partner or only cheap stuff. The group I'm in will be having a secret santa so guess I will stick with that. Thanks for all the info. :)

Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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This is essentially going to be a completely different MM from what we are used too. They are adding the NPC into the mix to ensure everyone receives an item of interest BUT it sounds like the NPC is limited by sP constraints. So you would enter and if noone put anything in you would still at least get whatever the NPC gives you back. The NPC will be shopping from user shops increasing revenue of users around the site.

I'm interested to play the game but it does make me sad that the MM we used to know will be gone.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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OHH I see - if she is in shop logs that it is due to the testing. But normally she would not be buying from user shops? Thanks for the link, that did help make more sense of it. :-)

[edit] "quote from : "...the next phase of that might look like prioritizing books that a pet hasn't read yet, or food that a pet hasn't had before. lots of really exciting opportunities to use what we know about the user to make sure that items are more personalized than just a wild spray of r1-99 items."

OK so I will LOVE this feature with missing food or books -- but how can we show Melody (or another NPC) which pet of ours is the one we care about books/food?

So basically, she will try to gift an items from a users WL instead of just something totally random? If that is true then I could get behind this.

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Dec 9, 2024 1 year ago
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I am so excited for the new MM! & honestly also excited to possibly see Melody in my shop log. It may seem silly but it adds a bit of immersion to the site that I find fun to see NPCs out and about!

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