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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Hey y’all, so I decided to explore Subeta’s ‘free’ sP making methods and try to make as much as possible in 1 month. The challenge started March 5th and ended April 5th. I learned a lot, and instead of making a bunch of long paragraphs I’ll just add spoilers with some of the details and answer any questions.

background So the curiosity stemmed from the “what is actually possible without spending real money?” question nearly every game has to answer now a days. There’s nothing inherently wrong with currency/items/boosts/etc obtained through real world funds (games need to generate an income somehow) I think what turns a lot of people off is when the advantage gained from this is so overwhelmingly large, competing in the game is impossible otherwise.

Subeta needed to be tested

parameters I felt like in order to make this a true ‘from scratch’ challenge there needed to be restrictions set in place. These are the rules I followed:
  • Start with 0 sP. This meant everything was put into the vault. This also included all currencies. Quest points, wizard tokens, raffle tickets, etc. everything was either put to 0 or assumed the number 0.
  • No battling. One of my pets is capable of beating pretty much everything and there’s a lot of wins still left in the table. I could’ve easily made a ton of money farming amulets/crystals. That’s not the point of this (but it’s a great money making method!)
  • No using event currency. So this occurred during survival, I decided to forego selling candy hearts because they’re not always available. In my opinion it wouldn’t be an accurate representation of what’s generally possible if I made money off of a limited currency.
  • No freebies. If I received gifts from a friend or found something in the donation corner etc. it was immediately vaulted and did not count towards my total
Money making methods There were some things I did consistently that added up QUICK. I’m not going to deeply explain every bullet point, just list what I did and if there are any follow on questions I’ll gladly elaborate.
  • [B]Restocking[/b] (this is what made me the most sP)
  • Questing (fastest way to make sP)
  • Dailies
  • Timed games (random, carnival games, crypts, polar ice field, etc.)
  • Major Drills
  • Merching
  • Frags
  • Forum posts
How much sP did I make?! 780,064,556sP
Final thoughts This seems like a lot of sP for a month and it is! but it is not sustainable. Seriously. I spent so much time restocking, questing, playing different games when the timer was up, manually pricing. It kind of took the fun out of Subeta, you never want a game to become work.

It was a fun experience to see what’s possible but I wouldn’t recommend people to play this way. Do your daily quests because it’s fast, you earn quest points, and the possibly of morty cards. Plus you stimulate the Subetab economy. Doing that alone will make you plenty of money.

Additionally, BUY CSC! I know you’re probably thinking “wtf man this is supposed to be a free challenge”. I get it. But if you make $50/hour instead of spending 100+ hours/month doing different money making methods, you can work for 2 hours, and end up with the same amount of sP and 98+ hours to spare.

Expanding on that, Subeta is a small community. It doesn’t generate the amount of money 100,000+ player based games do. Supporting the site with your dollars shows your appreciation for the game and supports the creators, and staff. They’ve done a fantastic job making CSC rewarding but not game breaking. It’s truly something to be applauded.

What’s next? I’m going to take a small break then I want to open the challenge to everyone! Stay tuned for a contest following my same parameters. Each participant will get 100 csc for joining the contest, and the winners (yes multiple), will get much larger prizes. Expect this to run from May 1-June1

If you actually read all of that thank you! I’d love some feedback, maybe ping your friends or something idk :)

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Does no battling include no battle quests?

What does merching mean and how did you earn from forum posts?

I'd be interested in joining a month long contest but I won't expect to make the same amount you did.

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Oh yay, I’ve been waiting for this post!

What an interesting challenge. Congrats on completing it. I’m amazed at how much you made in one month.

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Thanks for the ping!

Wow! Impressive. That's a lot of sP.

The conclusions mesh well with what I've felt about this site all along. Its great to have that confirmed. I've always felt that there are many paths to "success" here, and there are also many ways to define "success."

Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Thanks for sharing the results! I'm definitely interested in trying the challenge myself, though I think not spending during the challenge period will be tough (especially during Vesnali).

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But if you make $50/hour instead of spending 100+ hours/month doing different money making methods, you can work for 2 hours, and end up with the same amount of sP and 98+ hours to spare.
I wish I made $50/hour 😢 But I like your pointing out for users to convert how many hours of IRL work = how many hours of grinding on Subeta.

Out of curiosity - did you sell everything "as-is"? Meaning, did you frag and sell crystals or did you try to buy items from crystal shop and sell those? I assume you did a bit of converting since carnival games cost wizard tokens and you said you played those (rather than just sell the tokens outright).

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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I was wondering if this was a group thing like the billionaire SP sprint when I saw you post about it on the forums. Thank you for posting your experience! I am very interested in seeing how it turns out with a group ^-^

Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Does no battling include no battle quests?</p>
<p>What does merching mean and how did you earn from forum posts?
-Yeah no battle quests! I still did them for exp but I vaulted all of the items I got. -Merching is buying and item and reselling it. That’s what I call it anyway. You have to be careful with this, one it can run some people the wrong way, two, you can either drive the price up or down depending on what you’re doing. I just bought potions/csc that people needed a quicksale on and let it sit in the shop for its actual sale price. -you can get raffle tickets by posting on the forums, so I posted my results from random, carnival games, bathhouse etc every time I did those things.

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hough I think not spending during the challenge period will be tough (especially during Vesnali).</p>
<p>Out of curiosity - did you sell everything &quot;as-is&quot;? Meaning, did you frag and sell crystals or did you try to buy items from crystal shop and sell those? I assume you did a bit of converting since carnival games cost wizard tokens and you said you played those (rather than just sell the tokens outright).
So I did spend on stuff but I calculated how much it was and took it from the sP in my vault. And I sold the crystals as is, The tokens I usually sold as is but I set some aside for TS restocks and carnival games :)

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Did you do 15 quests a day, or just 10? If it was 'free' you'd have to assume no GA, and therefore only 10 of each quest. 15 quests a day is a 50% increase on rewards, pretty significant.

If you were to run this as a challenge, would you consider battling with a completely untrained newly adopted pet using only weapons obtained through questing/RSing as an extra means of generating income? I've always been curious to see how high you could level up a pet from scratch in a short amount of time these days.


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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Wow, that is a lot of sP in a month! Thanks for doing this experiment, it's interesting to see just how much income you can generate on Subeta for free!

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Did you do 15 quests a day, or just 10? If it was &;free&; you&;d have to assume no GA, and therefore only 10 of each quest. 15 quests a day is a 50% increase on rewards, pretty significant.</p>
<p>If you were to run this as a challenge, would you consider battling with a completely untrained newly adopted pet using only weapons obtained through questing/RSing as an extra means of generating income? I&;ve always been curious to see how high you could level up a pet from scratch in a short amount of time these days.

I did 15 quests. I meant ‘free’ as in not purchasing csc. I think GAs are pretty easy to come by now with the buddy GA system.

And actually I kind of have a pet like that! Haha take a look at him

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Cool! Thanks for running the experiment. Not sure most of us would have the patience 😆

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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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- That is true, buddy GAs make it pretty easy... but someone still had to pay RL $$ for it. Though, I still have a bunch of 1wk medals that I got for free at some point, so it's still possible to have a free GA.

Neat. You can make some pretty decent sets off of only opponent loot drops. most of my weapons are loot drops cus I'm cheap too.


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Apr 6, 2021 4 years ago
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Congrats on making so much! This sounds like a fun idea!

Apr 8, 2021 4 years ago
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This was an interest read! Thank you! But what are frags?

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Apr 8, 2021 4 years ago
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Oh actually I do have a question about this, in terms of dailies, did you include/use pet jobs?

Jul 2, 2021 4 years ago
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Wow! I need to try this!

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Aug 9, 2021 4 years ago
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I can't believe how much you made! This is so impressive

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Sep 9, 2021 4 years ago
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I enjoyed this read, also that is crazy like that's how much pure I probably made in a decade of playing LOL.

Never tried RSing for $$, other than buying up quest items I find that are in NPC shops for a lot below shop prices. What do you think was the rough sP breakdown by each thing? Like, was RSing half of what you made? More?


Sep 17, 2021 4 years ago
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I know this is kind of old now, but as a new user this is super interesting! Where did you find it most profitable to restock? Did you vend at all?

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Sep 17, 2021 4 years ago
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Yeah sorry y’all I kind of took a long break after I did this and am just getting back.

RSing was definitely a huge portion. I can’t say exactly how much but I would gauge between 33%-50% of my profits

The most profitable places for me were places that aren’t super popular because there wasn’t a ton of competition grabbing higher end items. Icy goods Beach shack Minions market Weapons warehouse

There’s also shops that essentially guarantee profit. Anything you can restock for under 2k will give you profit. Spells galore Lost skeleton Rathskeller inn

And I did not vend, I just sold the tokens. I’m actually working on a “is vending worth it” trial right now.

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