Impatient to train up my third-highest battler, I've started using tomes on her. Unfortunately, though she's now at a higher level (and therefore more costly) than my T6 battler, she's still at T5.

I'm annoyed that her ability has not gone up in tandem with her cost, and I'm concerned about continuing to use tomes (on her and other pets). Are they really a smart move?

It's all preference again and really comes down to time. Do you want to go up X stats TODAY or....are you fine paying a fraction of that and waiting Y years.

I see value in using tomes on a T5 because I want to battle with them for current events TODAY and have them move up as quickly as possible to get ready for the next event. If your not...there's not really much value in tomes.

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Training is only 45sP per level. Amulets have been at ~ 350k - 400k and Tomes have been hovering at about the 3m to 3.25m range. Use this and the table to determine where you stop having value.

Yeah that’s the downside with tomes is it boosts level too. I personally found it better to auto train/bqs to T7 then boost.

Think you get like 19 then 14 sessions at T6. We’re talking about +200-250 stats per week (about 50-65 tomes or 150-200m)

It eventually gets to the point where training level doesn’t matter anymore, like I said earlier for me it was T7. Then use tomes because the difference in training times is minimal.

Benefit of tomes is they boost intel also, and it’s the cheapest booster all things considered. But once you start with tomes the training center loses its efficacy.

if it makes a positive difference to you, maybe yes. like if it help you to beat a particular opponent that you barely able to beat, to bring it to the same training time as other pet for convenience, to bring it up a tier to get access to better weapon, etc.

it's all come down to your goal out of it and how much are you willing to spend on toming at t5.

Everyone told me "Don't sell your mage amulets - you'll regret it! Tomes are so important to training!" and yet I feel like they have not helped me reach my goals and instead have hindered me in some respects.

Hmm, that's a good point about the intel. You can never have enough AP, it seems.

I think I might hoard my stuff until I get to that point. I do have a T7 but I want the others to catch up to them first. Meanwhile I'll keep hitting that exp.

Thanks for the advice!

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That's part of the reason why I've been pushing it - I want my T5 to be able to defeat the Effigy 10x too like my T6 and T7 have, and thus far I've only managed 2 victories. I think having my T6 weapons would help.

It's not so much the time that's a problem as the money - training 70-80 pets at once is already expensive, and it's frustrating that I now have one that costs more than it should. It may be only 45 sP per level, but that adds up fast.

Plus, I'm not sure how tomes will mess up my builds. I want one to be focused on strength, one on HP, and one on defense, and the rest will be pretty even.

Tomes are used to train faster, but stats from tomes are about 300k each. This means going from T5 to T6 (1800 stats to 2600 stats) will run you 240 million. T6 to T7 is another 240 million. Is that worth it to you? If yes, go ahead, if not, sell and buy something else that will be more useful to you.

Beating Effigy 10x is nice, but is it 240m nice, or can you wait a couple months? How much is your time worth?

Using just a few tomes here and there may not be that beneficial early on. It’s more noticeable if you’re using enough to boost past an entire tier.

If you want to focus on a couple stats, use boosters that boost only those stats instead and you’ll get more bang for your buck. You can’t really mess up a build this early on as all stats ultimately matter, but you certainly can allocate ressources in a way that will make you progress faster

Don’t just listen to our tips though - focus on YOUR goals and decide which route is better based on your budget and constraints

Thanks . In your opinion/experience, when do tomes make more sense monetary-wise?

Again - this is entirely based on YOUR budget. Whatever cost you sink into a pet is lost and you won’t make that much back from loot if you are only using tomes, but that doesn’t mean they are not good value.

I recently tomed a pet from T1 to T11 in one day because I valued that bit of fun higher than what the tomes cost. There’s no right or wrong way to use them, it all depends on what you’re trying to do.

Tomes do become more valuable when your training times increase to only a few sessions per day. I wouldn’t use them on your T5-6-7 because you may regret the cheap and short training lessons. At T10/11+ you’re barely getting a couple training sessions every day, so they will help you more than now - unless you just don’t mind the cost.

Using tomes will forever fuck up your levels though - rendering the training center less useful, which imo is a shame at Tier 5 when your stats cost 10-15k a pop. Tomes are 30x that cost. Is there value in paying this much for you? This is a real question, not rhetorical. If you're in no sort of hurry, just use the training center and battle quests. Tomes are expensive.

For reference, this is what a tomed up T11 looks like. It has as much level as a pet that should be near T13, but isn't even halfway there. It will never be able to be trained as efficiently as pets in its range of stats, which in my case doesn't matter, but in your case with 77 pets may be a problem. Don't follow anyone's example, figure out what matters to you and we will more adequately guide you to that. It feels like you're actively trying to use a solution to a problem you don't have. People in the Battle Chat will often have a decade of experience, very strong pets and different goals than yours.

is right. It feels like you are trying to train your pets by looking at what seasoned battlers do, but not necessarily with their same goals in mind and that's why doing things like using tomes doesn't make sense to you. Tomes are the quickest way to get all stats, including intel and level. Quickest also means more expensive. If having high level bothers you or you don't care about really high intel, then don't use tomes. How to train multiple pets, whether or not use tomes, when to use boosters in general all comes down to what are your goals for battle. If you want to spend the least amount of money battling, then stick with the training center as long as possible, do battle quests every day for exp to boost, and either sell the tomes you have to buy cheaper boosters or save them until your pet is at a higher tier where the training center only gives you 4-5 stats a day. Battling is a money sink. To win the best things requires a strong pet with strong weapons, both of which can cost billions of sP.

With my first pet, my goal was to cap him so I trained him steady with experience and gave him every single booster I bought or got. My second pet I want to be smarter than my first pet so now he gets only tomes and my other pets I slowly train and give them other boosters. Intel is the most expensive stat to train. I don't use the training center at all anymore. I prefer to battle and use the experience to train stats and boosters because battling is how I choose to spend my sP.

Thanks for the insight. You guys are totally right - I was following what others do and then being frustrated when it didn't work for me. I guess I figured as it is a game, there's one "right" way to do things, but of course that doesn't make sense in reality because people have different goals.

I finally got Catricia up to T6 by battling a lot of the challengers she hadn't faced before and using exp. I'm in the progress of evening out her stats. I think I might do this in spurts: use the tomes to get her closer to the next level, and then battling to even it out again.

Someone mentioned on a different post of mine that since I like to have all my pets even, I could use tomes in a trickle-down effect, which seems like something I could combine with this tome-exp-tome method pretty easily. It may be more expensive to use tomes on lower level pets, but to paraphrase InSaNe, sometimes you just gotta do what makes you happy.

I don't know if you saw 's pet that only used tomes from T1-T11 but the distribution of stats is pretty even. You see this more when you use a lot of tomes at one time. You could also just use other stat boosters and get the same effect. The only reason I use tomes is because they give intel. There are stat boosters that give you intel, but those cost anywhere from 1.3mil - 3.3 mil. If I'm already spending that much for intel I may as well use tomes since that gives me other stats as well. More bang for my buck. Books give you AP so if you run out of buyable books you can't get more AP. However, if you don't care about how much AP you have or only care about x Intel, then you may not need tomes at all. Sell them to buy the cheaper boosters that will give you more regular stats for your money

Bottom line is you don't need to use tomes. There are other methods depending on what you want.

Yeah I looked at InSaNe's pet's stats. I guess they are pretty even, but I imagine it takes a lot of tomes to get to that point.

That intel boost is a sweet bonus. I think Catricia had ~750 before I used the tomes and now she's at 971, and I know that didn't all come from the books I got during Black Friday.

I knew that only books give AP, but it never occurred to me that some day I might run out books and then be...stuck. (Although they're always releasing new books, so I guess that might not necessarily be a problem.)

Just to add, I feel like tomes value comes in a mass boost rather than a few at a time every now and then because of the level increase (which in turn results in higher training time) and actually delays the progress since they’re not getting as much training per day at the training center.

If you look at my pet Krux I recently used 2,000 tomes on him, but not before using the training center and exp from battle quests. It only took a few months (as you can see from birth/adopt date) to get to a point where a mass boost just made sense.

But if I used a tome every time I got one his stats would be lower because the training times at the training center would have increased. Instead of 19 sessions (roughly 38 stats) per day I’d be getting 4-9 sessions (roughly 8-18 stats) per day.

That would’ve delayed his progress substantially.

I would recommend hoarding tomes specifically, then use them when training at the training center becomes pointless. (For me it was 9 sessions) then use 100-500 tomes in a mass boost.

Even AP is subjective to your needs. You may only need 100 AP because all of the scrolls you want fit in 100 AP. There's also a hard cap limit on the number of scrolls you can equip. I think that limit is 50, but again depending on your battle goals you won't need anywhere near that many scrolls. Depending on book costs and where you want to be at with intel and AP, tomes still might not be worth using.

The more you battle the more you get a feel for what it is you need to win. it's all trial and error.

In case it's not obvious...I'm not a fan of trial and error. XD