I was talking with a friend of mine today who really likes Bhakorus and I realized that it's been nine years since the Steele Excavation plot that unlocked them for players who participated. When they first joined a year ago I was shocked that they weren't able to make a Bhakoru because I'd thought for sure Subeta would have relaxed access to these pets between 2011 and then, so I made one for them and it's kind of been on my mind ever since. I feel like it is long overdue to allow newer players the ability to create these pets, since I imagine the number of players that are able to create them and give them out to others are fewer now than in 2011 as people may have lost interest over time, gotten frozen, etc and no longer play. I realize you can get around this by using the Nostalgic kit on one of your existing pets but a new player wouldn't know that and feel bummed out that they're locked out of being able to get a cool dinosaur pet because of an event that took place nearly a decade ago.

Hell, you can still have it so anyone that wants one has to visit the shrine for it (and/or possibly pay a fee in SP or wizard tokens or do a small quest chain or something). I just think new players should be able to access Bhakoru creation without having to go about the process of making a Nostalgic pet or finding someone with an eligible account that can make one for them and transfer it to them. In this new era of Subeta modernizing itself and making things more accessible to players new and old I think this would be a good change to implement. :)

We already have that via the , like you mentioned, so I don't see this as being necessary.

Yes, it's inconvenient, but it's a plot reward that...actually makes sense?

We have an alternative with the kits, which is the same as Aeanoids (to avoid using the gardens three days in a row) or Bumbus (if you don't actually have blue building access) Bhakorus don't have Steamwork yet (Bumbus and Aeanoid do), which could be another option in the future.

If we didn't have the kits, I'd be 100% behind this because Bhakorus aren't worth a Miracle Potion, but...we do. And, they're cheap.

As a user that was there for the plot and has access to the shrine I am 100% behind this.

With how long ago that plot happened some of the site's current younger users were toddlers when it happened and had absolutely no chance to get that prize. Besides the Aeanoids or bumbus being just as exclusive is just plain wrong, at least anyone can still earn those trough their original methods. I actually see Bhakorus only being available trough roundabout ways as a argument to just unlock the temple for everyone.

But hell, throw a money or quest gate in front of it and maybe give users that were there for the plot free acces or something.

You can also zap a pet into a Bhakoru (can confirm, have done it more than once), but that is a bit of a crapshoot.

I think I would be supportive of this happening if it was to happen as part of a plot - a sequel to the plot that made them exist in the first place. I wasn't around for the first one, so it would be cool to participate in something like that and feel connected to the earlier lore of the site. Plus plots in general are fun things.

I would imagine the result would be not to have them as one of the pets you can make on the creation page, but it would open up wherever it is you can create bhakorus more permanently and people could go there whenever they wanted, like the place to create zentus.

The key difference here is that Aeanoids and Bumbuses weren't only made available during 2011, you can still restock an Aeanoid seed or get it as a quest reward in 2020 and you can still do the stuff to unlock the Blue Building in 2020 (Aeanoid seeds are also cheap and don't require a 4 million SP investment in an Essence of Melody, which is required to make Nostalgic pets). You can't go back in time to unlock the Bhakoru shrine.

That's why I suggested that if Staff still wants Bhakorus to be special, they could require players do a small questline or pay in wizard tokens or something to acquire the pet. As someone who did the event and can create them, I'd... really like for new players to be able to make them more readily too? Why should I be able to make them freely but a new player is expected to pay 4 mil for one? That doesn't seem right to me. It's not like having more dinosaurs around would be taking away your other event prizes or achievements for participating. It's a pet. Telenines and Antlephores used to be limited creation many years ago and now anyone can make one at any time. I don't personally see the harm in it.

No support.

While some people enjoy "having all the pets they want easily all the time" others enjoy "having a pet that is not easily gotten". As far as some users having certain privileges that others don't: Blue Building, Omen Islands, and Gold Accounts. Subeta is not and never has been an everyone is exactly the same kind of place. All of those things can be earned, and Bhakoru are no exception.

There aren't a whole lot of hard-to-get pets. Subeta is a big site and it doesn't have to be all one way or another. Getting a Bhakoru now is less effort that going through the whole plot. Heck, you could probably just ask a long-time user to make one for you.

Honesltly, the only solution I could tolerate is releasing bhakoru elixirs in the basic colors. That, I could live with, because everyone would actually have to pay for it.

Retire the crystal, and shift to elixirs.

Support. I like the lore behind the crystal and think it'd be awesome if a new plot allowed people to have access to Bhakorus.

That's why I support a second chance in the form of another plot. As said, there are users now that were barely out of diapers when the plot occurred. And there are plenty more that just didn't get a chance to participate.

earning the WT to zap a Bhakoru, and investing the time to do the zaps =earning a Bhakoru. Earning the sP to buy Nostalgic ingredients (or restocking them and visiting Melody every day, more labor intensive perhaps but cheaper) =earning a Bhakoru. Making (enough of a) friends with an older user and asking for one to be made =earning a Bhakoru. Is it exactly the same method of earning a Bhakoru that happened years ago? No it is very literally not exactly the same method. Ya got me there. ...

Why should it be?

This isn't the only Site Event new folks didn't get to participate in. Is it the true intention of this Suggestion that they all get done over again? I don't object to that, but it's not really the same Suggestion as stated.

Most of Subeta's users now are older than users were back then. Maybe the diaperfolks can talk to some of the old fogeys and along the way make new friends while they ask for a Bhakoru to be created for them. Is this a high price to pay?

Honestly... I forgot they existed... and I have access to the creation site. I'd not be opposed to Blake or someone finding a way to make Elixirs of them to sell.

The plan was always to eventually have bhakorus available to everyone. I don’t recall when exactly it was going to happen, but I do remember discussing it post-Steele plot (the one where Merana was freed, not the one where they were introduced.)

I personally wouldn’t want to do elixirs, though. Feels like going against the spirit of them, idk.

wow, i didn't realize you can just make one with that kit for like 70k sp... now i feel silly for holding onto the one i got from zapping for no reason. i think i might actually be able to make one though? i did that plot so probably but i can't remember.

anyway, i would agree with this if said kit didn't exist. i feel like it shouldn't? and then there could be a new way to earn making the pet again. cause right now i don't understand how this is something that even needs to be addressed. 70k sp isn't hard to make, new user or no. but i don't think that option should be there to begin with. :/

I'm really not warm to the idea of another Saheric plot. Plots are already so scarce these days, it would be extremely frustrating to get a rehash of something we've already done, with the same rewards. Give me something new, please!

So does Vanya, but Vanya is seriously broken as a mechanic. It's amazing to see how many site mechanics that old man breaks.

Technically, it's 70K + one Essence of Melody, which is usually around 2.5M, but it still isn't an absurd cost compared to some other things onsite.

.... It's been HOW long??

Yeah I have access to them and I absolutely support opening access to them to everyone. I don't really like elixirs either, but I'd big support a little mini plot (blake, someone from the region) telling us about the boom in the population, needing to find suitable homes for some, and for a modest adoption fee you can bring one home! (mini plot as in, literally some banter, classic shenanigans, maybe some shoveling around for absolutely no reason other than anyone remember the shovels? Maybe some lore peppered in, and done. Less plot more story time/nostalgia)

Or for a modest fee for time and effort the NPC can transform an existing pet. To feed and care for the Bhakoru, of course.

The kits are cheap but one still has to buy the potion etc etc. I think 9 years is long enough to gatekeep a pet species.

Edit2add: by miniplot I meant storytime. About the Bhakoru, how they were discovered, a faux here's a shovel get to digging, lol you dug a hole that's rich, anywaYS moving on! Etc. Etc.

But yeah, if it happens (and I say “if” because I’m just an artist, don’t wanna put pressure on the programmers out of nowhere) then it won’t be a plot. There’d be an explanation and some lore stuff probably, but not a big to-do.

Wow, I completely forget Bhakorus exist... and that you had to have been around 9+ years ago to even have the chance to get one.

I would think elixirs would be not the most creative solution? I'd prefer like... a news post from Blake a la Jurassic Park (we've studied the species and found out how to replicate their DNA so now you too can adopt your very own!) or they could go the route of the Qrykee/Yaherra/Blob? Which were all once zapper-locked experiments prior to becoming their own thing. Another sP sink for a pet wouldn't be the worst thing. There's also say... the Merana-method: only available during certain times of the day. Or a Zentu-method: need a specific type of item in order to enter and the shrine could still be their "spawn" location.

The argument in regards to the Aeanoid and Bumbus... doesn't really make sense to me? Aeanoids seeds can still be bought (and typically aren't that expensive) and the Bumbus... is also obtainable via just checking off the To Do's for the Blue Building, which usually isn't too difficult. (I completed mine before the Bumbus was a pet and I wasn't even trying). Both of which... are their original creation methods?

I think it's kind of silly to just say newer users (and in this case, that's users that haven't been around the 9+ years from when the plot happened) should have to: A. "Waste" 2.5mil+ on an Essence of Melody to then change the color to what they actually wanted. B. Hope to get a lucky zap. C. "Befriend" an older user just to get a pet made for them.

I understand it was a "plot reward" but as this is a Pet Site... seems kind of weird for one of the pets to just... be unavailable to everyone? It's not like the plot is still playable so any items or achievements you could get through the plot could be got by newer users. No one who already had access to the Bhakorus would be "losing out" on having them be made more easily available.

Support. I had no idea I couldn't create a Bhakoru the normal way. I've been a user for 7 years, I'm by no means "new" to the site. I agree it's pretty weird that this is still a thing. The shrine artwork is really pretty, it's a shame that it's now totally useless for a large chunk of users.

I also agree that comparing this to Aenoid's and Bumbuses isn't the same thing at all, lol. Any user can still obtain those as intended, without needing a workaround. They're just like Galactic or Hydrus pets. To get a Bhakoru you have to zap for it, or use a weird unintuitive workaround like making a nostalgic pet.

It seems like it would be pretty easy to introduce the shrine to everyone just going the Blake route like someone else suggested. The flavor text of the shrine says there's still scientists studying the Bhakoru, so maybe they've finally unlocked the secret for everyone. Or if you wanted to get fancy, you could do something like "complete 25 quests for Shinwa to gain access to the shrine."

yeah, i think it's time to open that shrine to the masses. come up with some story reason, or some sort of task to unlock it, whatever. i'd prefer the original creation method to become available to users who didn't finish that plot (because, you know, most current users probably weren't even around when it happened) as opposed to introducing elixirs or just letting you adopt one from the regular pet creation page.

tangent: i'm still so angry at myself, because i was HERE for that plot! i got most of the way through it! but then i got stuck on a puzzle, and i guess i didn't think to look for a guide in the forums so i just gave up. it's not about the prizes, it's not about the bhakorus - i don't really want one, and if i did i could just make one with the nostalgic kit. but it's the principle of the matter, you know? i could have finished. i could have had that Elite Old User Access. but i don't, and i never will. because of one single puzzle. and that feels really bad.

To say that Bhakoru creation should be dependent on the whims of people who happened to participate in a long ago site plot is unreasonable. Some aspects of this site are meant to be social, but pet creation should never be. Subeta has even changed its mind on the social mechanics of things like stickers.

I support Bhakorus for anyone with an explanation and some lore without a big plot. A little new art would be nice, and the questing is a good idea too.