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Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
Quark
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This will be fairly simple suggestion and one I kind would find beneficial to myself and possibly others out that restock large quantities of items.

I kind of find it annoying when I restock over a mobile device, they tend to have a bit more lag than that of a personal computer, due to internet connection/hardware issues. Now even when restocking on a personal computer, I hate forgetting what the item count was at when restocking an item, so sometimes I was a refresh on an item when I had already purchased all available quantities of said item.

My suggestion is this, the result page layout could possible list something of this nature, Available Stock: XXX and when there is nothing left of that stock of item, the results page wouldn't display the message when purchasing the final item.

I think this would be beneficial change not only to those that restock on an actual pc but a greater benefit to those that simply can access the site on mobile devices.

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
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Personally, I would find this helpful. However, I really don't want to make it easier for restockers to buy out all the rare and/or desirable items in the shop, not even if it helps me.

Not only that, but any calculation you add to the result page will slightly increase the lag.

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
Quark
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Yea I thought the lag from this line of code might be minimal or at least add a chance for some other people to grab items than what is going on so that might be a good thing if there is a bit more buffer room.

However, I don't think this would make it any easier to say buy out items faster, well more desirable items. While yes they'll see how much is left but nothing other than the aforementioned result page lag from this suggestion would be preventing people from mass refreshing.

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
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I buy multiple books, for example. I'm waiting 5 secs between purchases, when I can't remember where I'm at I often just give up and go on to the next item I need to buy because I'm impatient. Having the number right there on screen telling how long I need to be patient will get me buying out the stack more often than not. I mean, isn't that why you want that number there in the first place? So you know exactly what you need, no extra waiting, no time to get impatient and move on?

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
Quark
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In a sense yes but impatience really has nothing to do with this suggestion. This is more of a slight annoyance of having to wait a bit. I tend to multitask/multi device when I play on Subeta. I am either playing subeta across two devices or playing subeta and another site at the same time. Simply because I just find it easier to maximize my time potential when here now, since my time is so limited with work and other activities. I;m sure a lot of the player base could do the same thing or they simply cannot.

Like for example, lets say a person has free time at work to play, there probably not going to have...

A) Time to waste B) A PC or a reliable one PC C) Most like;y can only access from a mobile device like a tablet or phone.

Even with personal example of using multiple devices, people sometimes do the same thing, whether it be using a pc on a different site/and using a mobile device for subeta, mobile device for some other task/and a pc for subeta, or my craziness and using both for subeta at one time. LOL

I just think this idea is beneficial as a whole for everyone, regardless of the circumstances surrounding why a person would want this relevant information. Also I think its a simple QOL change that if coded, and not cause great lag to the experience. Especially those who happens to only be able to play on a mobile device or even still one with a slow internet connection. This addition would be amazing.

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
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I get that, I really do. I play that way too. But because I play that way I currently do not buy out the stack. With this "convenience" I would buy out the stack more often. So it would benefit restockers a lot and hurt more casual shoppers. And I disagree with that. I think that's a bad thing overall - benefit a few, hurt a lot.

I see the benefit quite clearly, but I feel its a detriment for casual shoppers who are the majority of the users.

I put it in the same class as having hovers or wishlist boxes in shops.

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
Quark
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True, but cannot be the reversed be said just because the few does something, doesn't mean the many wouldn't. Regardless of the change isn't going to stop me from doing what I do now. However personally, I feel this change may motivate those casual shoppers, to actually become regular shoppers. Which it would have rippling affects.

Which that isn't a bad thing to motivate others to do actually do some restocking. It would be beneficial across all boards, in my opinion if what you say were to happen. and be beneficial to only those doing the restocking.

You're suggesting that this would be even more determental but wouldn't that bring more volume of one item into the system? Rather than say, with this feature not being currently put in place, buying an item....not feel like buying out the whole stock and moving on to a different item. The same quantity of items are being introduced into the system but the key factor is the same item volume is not being created. Which that is why you see prices they are now currently.

Which is quite evident on the state of restocking at this moment and current prices of items within all r1-99 items those priced at 1sp to 10k are in the excess of around 9.5k items, 10k to 100k and that is around 7.5k items, 100k and above are at currently above 100k and that value is only 766 items. While yes rarity comes into play, the price discrepancy between various factors would change drastically. Things would get cheaper for the whole user base.

If what you suggest happens, I argue that it would not be harmful but actually more beneficial for everyone in the end. Volumes of items would increase and change, which if the demand for that one item isn't high prices drop and vice versa. Sure it will affect profits across the board for those die-hard restockers, but other aspects of the site would benefit if what you say truly happens. Quest rewards remain the same, it would be beneficial to quests and may motivate people to do quests more often and on a daily basis, collectors can reasonably obtain more items. Etc

Jan 5, 2020 6 years ago
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No the reverse cannot be said to be true - because people aren't like that. They won't change their behaviour for a tiny QOL improvement.

Not changing my mind that it would be an overall negative change.

Not discussing it anymore either.

Jan 6, 2020 6 years ago
Quark
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Well since you're not going to discuss any further, I will be a bit disappointed because everything created in this world was formed by some form of discussion. Whether a person disagreed with that view it was still created and there is form/beauty/fun in discussing things. Id say I'm 100% disappointed. 10% in the fact you won't be discussing it further, and the rest in the fact that it seems to me and I don't notice this much in other suggestion areas on pet sites as I well only play on a few. Regardless 90% disappointed in the fact that having an opinion on an opposing view is seen as a negative. I cannot be the only person on this site or one who accesses these forums feel the same way.

I also fail to see how this QOL change suggested is the final straw that breaks the site/restocking system back. To which even my thoughts in post 8, isn't going to instantly influence people to restock and also not instantly influence prices.[i] Yet, why did I state or word that post the way I did, because of opposing view points. When having discussions of opposing views, you look at both sides even if you feel one is wrong or right. Which mine was worded in a way that I knew a response was going to be given in the way it was. People don't change overnight it is quite true.

[box=#eeffee]No the reverse cannot be said to be true - because people aren't like that. They won't change their behaviour for a tiny QOL improvement. [/box]

A rebuttal to a idea I made that this would encourage more users to restock more, to which I ask you all reading this. If this change isn't going to affect people from restocking more, then how is it going to affect people from doing what was alleged. Being impatient, sorry this has to be stated. The veiled insult at me didn't go over my head. I'm not an impatient person, just one who values time. Which money is time and time is money.

Back on topic, Right now, restockng as a whole, if everyone was restocking even casual users. You wouldn't the sheer volume of items that sit in the shop. The majority of the time, which is a good chunk of when items leave a main shop page is when someone is questing on this site and purchases a item through the GUI of the shop search that purchases the item from the said user shop. Which is not restocking, yet when the go to that shop and maybe buy out the entire stock. That is restocking, for whatever purpose that item is intended for reselling/fragging/hoarding etc.

I will admit I do get annoyed when restocking with the sold out page, because I multitask a lot and cannot always remember what the item count was at that particular moment. However that may have been a [i]small portion as to why I decided to post this suggestion It wasn't as if this idea just suddenly popped in my head as of today. I've put some thought into this this tiny QOL improvement to which, not all changes and suggestions that actually make it on to the site have to be grandiose

Here is a list as to why this would be a good change to the Shop Results User Interface:

Encourages more restocking

  • A user would purchase more volume of one item, as opposed to say restocking one item and moving on to another item. This would be a benefit, because by restocking more than one of a particular item increased the total volume of items on the site. Which means more will be available for sale and would increase the sales and lessen the price of the said item. Example User A restock 5 of XXX, User B Restock 1 of XXX, 2 of ZZZ and 2 of YYY. You see they restocked the same volume total but the total volume of one item is more than that of any other of the items restocked.
  • I honestly think this would benefit restocker in wanting to restock more on a average daily basis. To which, I'm sorry casual restockers it may affect you but if you're a casual restocker. For the most part you probably don't enjoy restocking anyway so this change or any other you wouldn't really benefit from.
Rippling Economic effects
  • Not going to happen overnight type of economic change, obviously.
  • Quest prices, would lower eventually, which would be a good change because it would most likely mean. Those that do their quests, would happen to want to do even more quests. How? Well imagine 80% of your quests were decently prices, where as the last 20% were out of your spending comfort level. To where maybe possibly then by effect this change, if alleged that a person would buy out more than one of the same item. Prices would fall across the board.[li] [li]With more and more item being introduced on the site through restocking. There would be an influx of items for things like fragging, hoarding for the recycle beast. Etc. Meaning acces to these currently would be more beneficial.
Unforseen Changes or Negatives
  • Lag to the Results Page, unforseen as to how much lag this would cause. Shop Search Lag as well? Possibly?
  • Unforeseen economic changes to the site, things could improve or worsen

Unless someone else has more insight on this, I am just going to end on this, suggestions are suggestions, Regardless of size and complexity.and Tbh, knowing a items stock on the results page is not going to be the straw that breaks the site or restocking's back.

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