I know I've discussed this with someone, but can't remember if it was in a suggestions thread for the life of me.

I think we should be able to see who's buying from our CW shops, same as the sales history for regular shops. I've had great discussions with other users about slotting vs buying directly from shops, and I am so curious to know who's supporting me where.

Given I've been literally blocked over being the "wrong" person to own certain CWs, hard pass. Beneficial in the long haul but rife with potential for abuse.

I have become a litte more aqquainted with the CW market since the last thread but I still stand by keeping CW shops anonymous. Like I said last thread:

Now there is also the question if revealing usernames would impact CW shop sales. It is not unreasonable to think some people would forgo buying from the CW shop if their usernames were to be revealed.

I've always kind of wondered what it looked like from the CW submitter's perspective when something was bought. If it would cause more confusion, elitism, and cliques, no thanks.

Thank you for moving it to the appropriate forum!

Wow, I didn't expect this kind of discussion at all, haha. This is why it's good to start threads like this! Does blocking someone prevent that user from buying from my shop? I never would have guessed.

CW shop owners can't prevent anyone from buying their items in the shop, other than keeping the item locked - in which case, every buyer would have to ask/be known to the shop owner anyay. If my CWs are unlocked and available to the public, why in the world would I be pissed that some member of the public came and bought a copy? Genuinely baffled. I just want to see who's buying out of curiosity, and to be closer to the community that doesn't circulate within my cw shop thread.

I assume this is some weirdness with someone getting tiffy about you owning/buying a "private" item. Unlocked items in CW shops are, by default, public though?

Anyone who feels protective of their CWs would most likely keep their items locked with a password, or not add to their shop at all, so I think this wouldn't be an issue. Your idea that some buyers might not want to be known (see: Misthios' response above) does make sense, though, and I can see it preventing people from buying if they felt shy or under some kind of scrutiny.

Basically, we just get a very generic notification, paraphrased badly: "X CW item has sold. The 200 CSC profit has been added to your on-hand CSC."

I just want to see " has purchased a copy of X CW. The 200 CSC profit has been added to your on-hand CSC." or even just a sales history I can look at later would be nice. I guess I'm just very interested to know if I have repeat buyers that come patronize my CW shop when I add something new, or if all my sales are random passersby. I appreciate everyone that buys a CW from me, and it irritates me that I can't...uhhh...openly appreciate my CW shop buyers?? 😂

Oh neat, thanks for telling me!

Nope, the creator just didn't want me having that item.

Hard pass. While I personally don't purchase items from people I don't like / get along with, I know there are people who just don't want to interact with someone in ANY way but still want to purchase an item because it's by their fav artist / just cute / a fandom they like / etc etc etc. Let those people buy their items anonymously so that they can feel comfortable in their purchases. (And this also includes person A buying a gift for person B but the item is in person C's shop, and A and C don't get along, etc.)

I don't think this is information we honestly have to have. shrug

Wellllll that's weird and rude. Maybe I'm being overly generous, but I just always assumed that if an item was submitted and sold publicly, then that meant anyone could buy it - I don't know why a seller wouldn't just make their item private if they didn't want some people to have it. But, that's off topic and it's none of my business, too, I guess.

I'm tired of the CW community being closed off and "cliquish," as I've discussed on site numerous times. I wouldn't want sales histories to cause drama, by any means, but wouldn't making everything more transparent actually be a good thing? IDK, maybe in this case it wouldn't matter, since only the CW shop owner/submitter would be seeing the sales.

Np! ^_^

I was in the CW community, both as a customer and a creator, long enough to know when something is private, it's private and it's better not to ask. Even though there are situations you can ask in, I'm sure.

Still, that aside, I agree. One of the huge reasons I left the CW community was how expensive things became and how quickly it became elitist in certain circles. My sole concern for having a sales log on CWs is that someone, somewhere along the line, would go through that strange situation I did just because someone wanted to be that rude.

Other than that, I see only benefits to having a log.

I just want to say, as someone on the other side of what you're discussing, there are people I really DON'T want to own my CWs. Because I put actual real money in to these items and like any IRL shop owner that doesn't want a rude/nasty customer in their store, I don't want certain people buying the items that I put my hard earned money in to create.

Touche.

It's a bit sad how fast these type of discussions slide into negativeness and how in general people often seem to expect the absolute worse in people. You're of course 100% entitled to have any and all kind of feelings about the CW community in general but it's a bit discouraging to see so much push back when artists and releasers genuinely try to make suggestions to make the community better and more accessible.

I would like to see buyer history implemented because it would provide helpful information for me as a releaser. Even if it's just in the form of one time notification instead of being recorded somewhere long term. I've tried a lot of different ways to release cw over the past half a year and I have a pretty good grasp on how many people I can actively reach and is interested in my stuff over on my general board and my public group forums. With my CW shop, I don't really have any feedback. What I would like to know is if the people who generally slot my stuff on forums and buy my items from the CW shop are generally the same or if there is a clear difference in the demographic between the two. It would help me decide how to distribute my releases but I am also just genuinely curious.

In some ways I do understand the desire for anonymity but I really doubt people with unlocked shop items would use the knowledge of who their buyers are maliciously. People who like and buy my stuff make me eternally happy and I want to appreciate all of the buyers who make it possible for me to keep releasing new CWs. :>

Other example: due to my timezone I wasn't able to fix all the item prices in my shop immediately after black friday sale ended. I slotted something for normal shop price during the sale so to keep it fair for everyone who was in the 1st batch the item was priced at 800CSC in my shop so the sale price would match the 1st batch slot price. Someone bought the item from my CW shop after the sale before I had time to change it back to 600CSC. And I feel bad. I would love to refund this person the extra 200CSC that they paid because of my mistake but I just have no way of knowing who they are. I even send a ticket about it but there is currently no records of CW shop purchases even for the staff. :c

As for elitism, I really doubt that people who want to micromanage who does and does not have their CWs have or are going to have their stuff unlocked in their shop. And I really doubt that anyone who had their CW shop items unlocked would harass a person for buying from their shop. There's always going to be private items and limited items and items that are hard to get. I've grumbled over limited items in the past too, it sucks, it's annoying, but that's just how it goes. Complaining about it is not going to change it. Honestly, in some cases it's just going to make people release stuff that is hard to get because they are annoyed. A lot of people say that the CW community is toxic but really the community is just what we make of it. Personally I've had an overall positive experience and even though there is sometimes stuff that annoying or makes me angry and sad I'm going to keep on focusing on the positive stuff. Negativity is going to get us no where. I think this community as a whole is wonderful and we have a lot of room to grow and evolve! <3

Big thank you to for being so active about starting these kinds of discussions and trying to open dialogue about change!

Hmmm, I always kind of assumed that people could see, like the way it is in the regular shop.

I'm the kind of person who buys from CW shops exclusive, a little less now because I'm broke, but either way, it's because I just feel safer. The forums are overwhelming to me, and I've heard bad things, so I kind of avoided it. From a shop, I can assume that it's alright for me to have it. It takes away the stress and potential anxiety.

And I guess I'm not against the idea. It makes me nervous, but then again, I use the items. People can see I have it. My shirt is a CW item and I think its creator would recognize it. I'm not really anonymous, am I?

I think just having a log would be fantastic! I agree completely with that it’s sad to see discussions about CWs slide immediately into negative territories, but yeah - it’s always going to be what we make of it.

I really don’t understand the compulsion of being upset if a specific person buys a public item of mine? As an artist and releaser both, yes I put in the time and money, but I made the decision to make it public. I do have a few items that are private, but that also doesn’t mean that I’m going to rip the head off of anyone who asks about them. If it’s a public item, we have no say where it lands. And TBH if someone harasses you about buying a CW (especially from the shop), I’m fully on board with naming and shaming. Bullying is never ok, and if one person sours the community like that, well, then I want to know who that is so I can avoid them. Simple.

I also know that there are users that buy from my shop that I’ve interacted with and that’s fair! Some people dislike the forums, others get nervous in interactions. I know I get a feeling of dread every time I see someone commented or smailed me, oof. But to be able to know would just be neat!

Thank you for the discussion point! You always do your best for the community, it’s really lovely to see!

If you want even more items to be locked or private, sure. If you want the option to buy anything you want freely without a user not caring about your existence, then no. People don't like to admit it, but there is a lot of drama when it comes to buying and owning cws. Oh this person that I don't like bought an item from my shop did they? Well how about we just lock everything to prevent that from happening, so now they have to ask for an invite. Except wait they can't, because you've blocked them. And now you have single-handedly made your shop closed/private instead of public for everyone because how dare Karen consider herself entitled to your things. Now OBVIOUSLY not everyone is like this. But people can just be that petty. And I'd like myself and others to not deal with that. Considering most people don't like having to ask for things, myself included, this is already a bad idea. Nevermind the fact that I have to already ignore or tell people when items are private despite the disclaimer in my shop. So, I'm against the idea. 90% of things on subeta are public. It's nice to have that 10% where you can be anonymous and left alone.

Personally I would like the ability to see who has bought my CWs so that I don't accidentally give them something for Lumi or their birthday that they already own. If someone I like has something of mine on their WL and they have an occasion in their life coming up where presents are given, I might want to surprise them.

...omg what a jerk.

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1. If you block someone, they can't buy items from your CW shop. They can still buy things from your user shop unless they blocked you back, but they can't get into your CW shop proper. However, they can always buy your stuff from someone else.

2. Therefore... you have the right to feel however you feel, but you're investing a lot of energy and concern into something that you can't control.

There is literally no way on earth for you to prevent any user from purchasing your CWs unless you draw them yourself, so there are no artist copies, and you never give or sell your copies to anyone else.

A while back, I decided to go back and read the old "NewCW" threads because, while there's a trick for figuring out who released something, that's the only way to go and find out who drew it.

In the process of reading through those threads I discovered that I own at least fifteen private items that I bought from random usershops and the pawn shop with no idea that they were private.

Speaking strictly for myself, I find that being invested in trying to control what other people do with their stuff--and if you give things away or sell them, those things are now the other person's stuff, not yours--is not a good way to preserve what's left of my dubious sanity.

Sometimes actively working on letting go of my attachment to situations I can't control and things that are out of my hands makes it easier to enjoy life.

I don't do private releases. This is partly because I want people who love the things I make to have them, but it's also because I refuse to give my anxiety disorder something new and exciting to get worked up about, or set myself up to feel betrayed and paranoid if something I released turns up in the pawn shop.

I'm aware I can't completely control if someone I dislike ends up with one of my CWs. Doesn't change that I don't want their CSC or for them to own my CWs. I dislike blocking people unless they've actually harassed me in some way, which is why some of the people I don't want having my CWs aren't blocked.

So I'm investing very little energy into this. There's no logical reason why usershops have a log but CW shops don't. It feels strange that we can have a DETAILED log in our usershops but get no more than a mysterious 'someone has bought X from your CW shop!'

As a buyer in both the forums and the shops (when I have money and actually want to spend it on Subeta), I'm on both sides of the fence. There have been many times I've wanted a releaser to know that I was finally able to buy that item they released a month or more ago (and had the decency/willingness/understanding/whatever to put them as unlimited or have a lot more copies go into their shop so they'd be available for the future) and that I'm still supporting them. On the other hand, I completely understand those that want anonymity and are too anxious to be in the forums b/c I was once there and s/times I still feel that hesitation.

I don't think the conversation "slid into negativity" at all. People came to contribute their thoughts and ideas to the conversation and expressed them selves. Seeing it as only black and white is how the misinterpretation of said thoughts turns into an unnecessary debate.

Really like what said about being curious. If I were a releaser, I would be curious about who was interested in my stuff, too! 😺 I also really like what said and how it was worded.