So when I do events, I put everything I want in to my events wish list so it gets the red box and makes it easily identifiable. This has its pros and cons. Sometimes the items don't update quick enough and if I'm distracted, I make a duplicate purchase. Other times because of lag I end up with two of the same item. When you're trying to get everything you need within an event time frame this can become a huge burden. In the past two days I've made 6 duplicate purchases as I'm buying from 2017, 2018, 2019 and playing catch up.

Can we please have a grace period (say between 5-15 minutes) after purchasing the item to sell it back to the shop for our coins? :( It would make these events so much better to not have to stick it in trades and hope someone buys your duplication or stick it in your store and hope someone buys it for sP.

I'm not sure why we don't have this yet honestly.

Hmm. I don't see much of a problem with having a 10-minute refund period for accidental double purchases. Maybe as a GA option? Either way, support!

Event stuff does sell even in user shops. But also trading an item you bought for the exact number of currency with another user is annoying because most currencies don't have tiered denominations.

If it were limited to accidental just the first 5-10 minutes after purchases and is something that could be done, I would be in favor of this.

Support--I think some lag caused some books from my wishlist to not get removed from the wishlist (despite clicking on the boxes), so I bought doubles as well. It isn't a huge deal, but I'd definitely like the option to get currency back, especially since some currencies are more of a timesink to get than others.

I'd support a permanent refund for 1/2 to 2/3 of the coins, actually.

Support.

There's also a glitch out there that double adds items to your wishlist, so that even if there is no lag when buying, you can sometimes double purchase because an item was accidentally on your wishlist twice and only removed once when you first buy it.

You know all those wardrobe achievements where you need to have a set of items in your wardrobe? All of those would become trivial if you could just borrow the items from an event shop to get the achievement and then sell the items back. They're already easy enough, but this feels kind of game-breaking.

We could just stop having these achievements, tbh, they're not exactly the most challenging ones anyway

Since you can borrow all items for wardrobe achvs (holiday or otherwise), I don't know that it would do much damage there. There are whole threads in the achievements forum set up to borrow all of the wardrobe achvs. So, if you could "borrow" from the store instead of a user and send them back for a refund, it'd be just a lesser hassle for both borrowers and lenders.

Either way, a whole lot of people don't buy lame item sets for wardrobe achvs.

Personally, I like the idea. Especially if you get gifted duplicates that somehow never made it out of your WL. It'd be nice to get something you actually need instead.

I wouldn't mind that. I haven't been really into achievement collecting since we keep getting piles of these arbitrary item collection ones. They never really feel like you're actually achieving anything when they're that basic. But that's kind of another topic.

The difference there is that you have to reach out to other people and actually put in some effort (albeit minimal). And there are still plenty of people on Subeta that seem to be against social interaction, who would have to collect the items the normal way.

Borrowing from the shop for free asks nothing of the player, so suddenly everyone gets the achievements for free and what's the point in that?

I'm not saying this would be the worst thing to happen to Subeta, but it's worth considering the unintended effects of a change like this return policy and achievements were first thing that jumped out at me.

I think this is pretty arbitrary since people just have borrowing threads already. I agree that these achievements are pointless, mainly one of the reasons I don't do achievements since so many are like this. This is for the average user like me who gets a sinking feeling when they realize they have to make up the deficit in addition to trying to accomplish as many items as they can. It's so frustrating. :c

Sorry... that just seems like such a non-issue to me. Like, the opposite of game-breaking, since they can be borrowed already. Your argument actually has more pros, in my view. I'm a chatty person... is it fair that I can so easily get all of these achvs for free while a shy person can't? It would even the playing field for some people, at least on the holiday ones.

On a side note, I think that the "arbitrary" achvs are great for newbie morale. It's nice to have a mix of easy and difficult achvs so that newer people can get a few hundred in a short period of time. We all know that, above a certain number, they get difficult/time intensive/expensive, but it's enough to get them interested. I joined from boredom and stayed for the achievements... they were fun.

If we're talking an easy event like Vesnali or Masq, nope. Now, if it's something that should retain value like the Excavation storyline or the like, then yes, by all means.

No support at all.

For those like me who are one of the five hundred or so users who are sitting on a billion sP, the arbitrary achievements seem petty, but I hang out in Help & Questions and for a new user they're not.

Some of you may like to borrow just to get the thing, but I like to own and hoard. Not every user is like that.

The whole reason that there are separate currencies is to encourage player interaction. Most holiday shops are open all year so nobody needs to be in a hurry to buy stuff. If you find yourself buying duplicates, ...slow...down.... If you buy something for sP in a user shop, there's no remorse you just plain buy it.

If there was a way for the system to check the log if the item ever left inventory then it shouldn't be returnable. Problem solved.

Achievements are not as large of a foundation of this site as people want to make it out to be. The achievement system isn't even that old. Sure it's nice to get a title here or there and I'm not knocking achievement hunters but just because someone has a billion SP or likes to hoard doesn't mean that others should be penalized?

Sure the events are easy, but it's a system flaw. I'm not buying at the speed of light, sometimes I'm literally buying, removing it and adding to wardrobe or the collection and disappearing and forgetting where I left off and then buying a duplicate because the system didn't record my removal. That's obnoxious. Yeah I get the shop is open year round, great but the currency doesn't float year round which means that for a lot of users that small window of time is all they've got to get what they need... and when you're a few years behind that's way more cumbersome.

I'm requesting a 10 minute window of time. That's literally not game breaking. I have no idea why people want to truly object to this. Even if I could get half of my currency it's better than losing 30 coins due to lag on the wish list.