I ran into this with my last HA and it about drove me crazier than I already am.

Nearly every single tie on Subeta is off center. While technically they lay on the middle of the HA's chest, layering them with anything makes for some very lopsided HAs.

is the worst offender with being positioned on the HA's right collarbone (our left.) Compare to to see just how much the positioning changes. Layering under a vest or a jacket with any of these is a nightmare. For instance, Black and Blue Fancy Silk Waistcoat layered with the Blue Tie makes the tie almost vanish under the waistcoat. Same for the Blue Tie with the Abalone Vest Buttons vest.

In short, can we just find a spot to tack the tie on and keep it there? Please and thank you.

YES PLEASE.

I've been considering making this topic for a while now, but am very glad that I did not have to. Because. Man, I LOVE this tie and haven't been able to use it since it was 'fixed.' When all of those basic, retired ties were updated (ages ago) they were all moved over so that they're 'centered' on the chest of the av. It makes the ties off center and annoyingly unusable when you choose to use clothes.

Because, none of the vests, shirts, waistcoats, coats, etc. are inline with that. (pretty much)

And, there's like a dozen of those things that look nice now, but you can only use them when you're not using a shirt. Who would even use them like that? I understand why they're in that spot, but it just does not work with the other things that we're given.

[edit]Months later edit. This still bugs me because I actually use these items. (or, I attempt to.)

So, here's one interesting thing that I've noticed. Those ties that were updated a while ago? They fit differently on F bases, which makes sense that they would, and may show why people can barely see the issue that some of us have with them. If you vary rarely/never use the ties? It's easy to say "well this line of shirts work, I don't see the problem."

Here are almost all of the collared shirt that one might wear the ties with, on both M and F bases. It's more apparent when they don't match up when you're using the M base.

So many Chest layer shirts

Chest layer: Ties over things. Golf Shirt, Polo Shirt (x6), Argyle Shirt (x10), Polo Shirt (x5), Eddie Bell Sophistikiwi Shirt, Distinguished Gentleman Collared Blouse, Gothic Aristocrat Shirt, Mariachi Shirt, Swanky Shirt

Vest and Shirt (x8), Jazz-Age ForHim Sweater, Beach Shirt (x15), Button-down Shirt (x9), Southern Gentleman Shirt, Grooms Undershirt, Bluberet Workshirt, Watchers Shirt, Knave Shirt

Striped Button Sweater (x12), Don Formal Shirt, Don Casual Shirt, Leidina Look-alike Shirt, Plaid Button Shirt (x10), Blue Pitchman Shirt, Simply Mad Dress Shirt, Fancy Vesnali Shirt (x6), Wildman Ripped Shirt

Counts White Dress Shirt, Gayle Shirt, Delish Decked Out Tailored Shirt, Buster White Shirt, Delish Ion Shirt, Plaid Cardi Combo, Black Chess Rook

Delish Masq Shirt, Butcher Stained Work Shirt, Fast Food Greasy Work Shirt, Stern Male Dress Shirt, Brave Explorer Buttoned Shirt, Sougara Nero Vest, Limited Edition Delish Moros Shirt, Delish Yule Buttoned Shirt, Outrageously Loud Party Shirt (x6)

Dark Ranger Rugged Leather Shirt, Dapper So Anthony Shirt, Viv Warm Front Dress Shirt, Vanity Mauve Top, Vanity Smooth Top, Vanity Pinned Top, Majorly Purple Iron (x5), Dapper So Virgil Shirt, Fretful Grooms Dress Shirt, Delish Nostalgic Shirt

Vanity Blues Shirt, Vanity Casual Top, Platinum Edition Silk Shirt, Candy Heart Master Heart-Dotted Button Down, Bold Rule Buttoned Shirt, Plain Button-Down (x8), Bootlegger Dark Shirt, Verdi New Bloom Blouse, Mimi Moe Bluebell Blouse

Trans-Dimensional Shirt, Homme Herringbone Shirt, Warm Blue Professional Buttoned-Up Shirt, Retro Chiffon Sleeveless Blouse, Vanity Suave Shirt, Vanity Vested Shirt, Teiss Mac Contrast Shirt, Vanity Release Top, Vanity Ideal Top

Fancy Night on the Town Shirt, Salvaged Buttons (x5), Ice Cream Parlor Waffle Cone, Soda Jerk Bent Bottle Cap (x2), Grimdark Gentleman Shirt, Vanity Offhand Shirt, Vanity Clever Top, Manly Buns Shirt (x4), Floral Printed Button Up (x5)

Short Sleeve Button-Down (x5), Vanity Decency Top, Sougara Bonfire Slim Shirt, Vanity Oak Shirt, Vanity Etcetera Top, Summertime Freeze Pops, Sheer Blouse (x7), Rambert Canvas Shirt, Sougara Wasteland Cowboy Scrap of Flannel

Painted Flower Pot (x5), Mixed Up Button Down, Striped Button Down (x9), Mairzy Doats Shirt, Not-So-Straight Pins (x6), Vanity Pad Shirt, Vanity Dime Shirt

While this may be good for the future and it might "fit the base better" I prefer being able to actually use my clothing items. I don't have an issue with the way that they used to fit the base. I do see that many of the cash shop clothings "fit the base better" and that's fine.

But, I don't need to match the base. I would like my clothes to match my other clothes because I'm never using a tie directly on the base. (even though I know that I'm the worst person to point that out, because I never use the default base)

Do I expect that it's going to be changed? Man, I know it's not going to even be considered and I'll continue to never be able to use these ties with the items that I have. It's just aggravating to wait for new clothes to come out that may or may not work, when I've got hundreds of items that did work with all of these different colors before. Now I'm stuck with a far less range of colors in fewer items.

It's also been... I've got to say years since they were updated to "fit the base better" and they're still hard as hell to use when you actually want to use them.

Fully support this omg!

Sometimes wearing a tie and collar doesn't even line up right and it makes me saaaad!

It's not just the ties that are a problem... The Blue Tie (and its other recolors) lines up pretty well with White Striped Button Down and Plain White Button-Down and the other colors of those tops but there aren't very many other ties that do. The clip-on collars seemed to have been drawn to match those two sets of tops. However, collars like Stiff White Dress Collar and White Detachable Peter Pan Collar won't work with those tops because they are centered over the collarbone.

I feel like there ought to be some kind of decision on the center-line for ties, collars, and buttoned apparel, because right now the "center-line" lands consistently in one of three positions (one that is too far left, one that is centered with the collarbone, and occasionally - in the case of buttoned apparel at least - one that is too far right) and it needs to consistently land on just one.

The basic ties are where they should be. The problem is a lot of the official site artists seem to have trouble drawing clothing on the 3/4 rule. The HA is facing AWAY from you. NOTHING that they wear should be centered according to our view.

the problem is that the HA base is anatomically quite wonky considering the perspective it's supposed to be positioned at. have you ever horizontally flipped the HA base? it looks extremely weird and swaybacked and off-balance.

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unfortunately, this is the base we're stuck with. so it's hard for an artist to know exactly how things should lay over its volume, which makes consistency in positioning and perspective an issue. this is especially frustrating when dealing with things that need to align with each other - like ties, bowties, collars, buttons, necklaces, etc.

the blue tie is positioned correctly. the don formal tie is horribly askew. i'd rather see future items more properly aligned to the HA anatomy, than properly-positioned items moved to the wrong place just to accommodate existing wonky clothing.

So, what some people might be suggesting is that:

Instead of us asking that a few dozen items be moved a few pixels over, we should be requesting that hundreds, if not thousands, of items need to be redrawn so that they will both work with the ties and also be the proper centered on the base?

Or, am I misunderstanding?

Ack ! Burn it with fire! Why is she so weirdly lumpy?!

I ditto what said - the basic ties are definitely fine, and in alignment with the 3/4 rule. I too think the Don Formal Tie is horrendous (it's more horrendous/noticeable on a female torso.)

So, I agree with the general statement that the ties are difficult to use on site. It's a pity. But I think that's generally due to the waistcoats and vests being off.

[edit]And no, I'm not saying to redraw the waistcoats... (Stop putting words in people's mouths.) What I and others are saying, is that the basic ties don't need a revamp- they're fine. (They were specifically called out for being the "worst offender." Moving forward, vests and such need to be better aligned so this doesn't have to be a problem anymore.

no, we're saying leave the good items as-is and focus on making future items align properly with the HA base's perspective.

No Support.

The Blue Tie is correct. Do not change it.

squints I think the blue tie is a bit off. The knot is a few pixels too far to the left. It's close, but with stuff like this, being just a bit off can make them completely unusable. Like says, it's a lot more obvious when you layer one of the waistcoats over it (and I don't think it's the fault of the waistcoats). The positioning of ties in general is all over the place.