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Nov 15, 2017 8 years ago
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This is practically a top 5 weapons for each kind of weapon. If you have any comments let me know. This is practically a high tier weapon find. However, there might be some low tier weapons which are extremely useful at higher tiers. They are organize from best to worst. This is my opinion but I'm always willing to see things and let me know if you believe otherwise.

Bombs Blessing: Nerves of Steel: Blocks 7 Physical, Heals 125hp, Lasts 100 turns Curse: Smoking Gun: 3 Physical, 3 Fire, 3 Dark (9 icons); Lasts 100 Turns Other: Boosts 250 strength, defense and speed So, yes! Every turn you it will deal 9 icons of damage and will heal you 125hp and block 7 physical. Practically for the rest of the battle, since a battle shouldn't last 100 turns.

At tier 12+! Attack: 14-19 Physical, 1-20 Dark, 15 Earth, 10-16 Water (40-70 icons) Curse: Stench of Doom (opponent can only use 1 weapon), 1 Dark 1 Water, 1 round, 100% activation Other: Heals 25% Damage is not amazing, practically the same as a regular weapon. 25% heal not bad but decent. What makes this weapon AMAZING. Is the fact it can null 1 of your opponents weapons. Practically reducing your opponents damage by half, making next turn almost undamageable if you got the correct healing/gear. Not only that but on bosses that can 1 hit kill you. It gives you 50% less likelyhood of getting that terrible weapon.

Follow stats are with 4000+ Speed! Attack: 33 fire Curse: Immolation: 10 Fire icons; 3 rounds Curse (Third Degree Burn): 6 Fire icons; 5 rounds Curse (Second Degree Burn): 4 Fire icons; 8 rounds Curse (First Degree Burn): 2 Fire icons; 15 rounds Other: 33% ~ 45% Freeze rate! This is a really good weapon to throw along with a freeze chain. In total with weapon does 155 icons in a 16 turns period. That much damage with freeze, can make this weapon lethal!

Follow stats are with 2500+ Intelligence! Attack: 22 Earth, 22 Magma (44 icons) Defense: 99 Earth (99 icons) Blessing: Heart of the Island: Blocks 10 Magma, 10 Earth, 10 Fire; 100HP heal (10 rounds) Other: Heal 40% Can block earth icons as much as a regular the hook swords but it's a once per battle. Contains 40% healing, which can pair nice with with block. The star here is the blessing with 30 icons protection and 100 hp. The icon protection is the main thing here with the healing bonus.

Attack: Fire 35-40, Magma 35-40, Earth 35-40 (105-120 icons) Blessing: Sugar Rush: blocks 7 light, heals 50 HP, Lasts 1-10 turns. Curse: Blockhead: 5 earth, 5 magma, 5 physical (15 icons), Lasts 2-3 turns Not as good as Mecha but it can stack with it. Still it makes 100+ icons of damage in 1 turn. It contains a nice blessing/curse but they dont last long

100% Freezers Defense: 5 Earth, 5 Wind, 5 Water, 75 Light (90 icons) Blessing: Mental Block: 1 Wind, 100% Freeze Protection, 2 Turns (100%) Other: 100% Freeze. This is the best freezer by far. It covers an amazing 90 icons. Contains 2 Mod Slots. The best thing is the blessing. Being able to completely block freezing for the next 2 turns, it amazing. It gives you time to set up and try to get a parched blessing. A must against high freezing opponent.

Attack: 3 Ice, 3 Dark, 3 Water, 10 Light (19 icons) Defense: 25 Water, 25 Light (50 icons) Other: Boosts 50 Strength, 50 Defense, and 50 Speed. 100% Freeze. It contains a decent attack but it's defence are pretty good. Contains 2 Mod Slots. The extra stat boost can be helpful if you require a little push to activate another weapon higher tier attack.

Attack: 5-10 Earth Defense: 40 Earth Other: 100% Freeze You may wonder why this is a better weapon against something that contains 10 base damage. Well that answer is because it contains 2 mods vs 1. Which is funny considering this is a 1 tier lower freezer.

Attack: 15-20 Dark Defense: 40 Dark Other: 100% Freeze. It contains a nice dark block which can be really esential against some opponent. 1 mod slot. The extra damage is always helpful!

Attack: 4 Dark, 4 Light Other: 100% Freeze Wait! How is this at when it got the worst stats of ALL 100% freezer. Shouldn't Simple Catoblepas Wheeley Toy or Gate Keeper Collar of Slavery be here? Well, technically yes. Still, the difference it's not huge compare how easy is to obtain this weapon. It requires 35 Hard Tokens. You don't really need a fancy 10 icons more weapon at x10 it's price. You may never even use those icons. Stick with this!

Stealers/Weapon Removers I won't point out the 100% stealers. Instead all once per battle weapons that can steal or remove weapon. There aren't any really high tier for this category. Some may be extremely good at doing something else even if they aren't really good at this. I will still add them but lower them because of this. I won't mention Nacho Secret Stuff because it doesn't remove a weapon. So let's keep it simple.

Other: Transforms your opponent weapon into a Recycled Wad (0-1 icons). Your opponent can use this weapon for the rest of the battle. This is a really underate weapon! Most opponent have around 8-12 weapons. This will give you about 10% chance to receive to get hit by only 1 weapon. It should be on most battle sets, even at high tier. Unless, you don't require a bit of luck. Many confuse this weapon with Blackmoon Hand Blaster. Which does a similar effect but the weapons it transform gets destroy after use. Also, this doesn't take your stealer slot.

Attack: 4 Earth Other: Steals 1 weapon 100% with a 50% chance to steal a second weapon. This is the biggest stealer currently in the game. So, it's the King of Steal! Still, it doesn't do anything else. Can be helpful if you want to remove an opponents weapon.

Attack: 2-3 Earth, 2 Ice, 2 Wind, 2-3 Fire, 2 Dark, 2-3 Water, 2-3 Light, 2 Magma (16-20 icons) Other: Steal 20%, Freeze 30%, Healing 25% I consider this to be a much better weapon than Soma Tablets. They seem to contain the stealing rate. This weapon contains a higher freezing rate. Question is: Does 16-20 damage, 25% healing and 10% freeze rate beat a random curse/blessing. Answer is yes. Even if you obtain a nice blessing and curse, they will require 1 turn to activate. Not counting some enemies have blessing and/or curse negate. Aside, it contains 1 mod slot which I dont think soma have any.

Other: Steal 20%, Freeze 20%, 100% chance to cast a random curse and/or blessing. Sure, it's stealing is lackluster. Still, it contains a nice freeze. The real deal here is that random curse and/or blessing. This can aid you in a battle greatly depending on what you get.

Attack: 3 Fire, 3-5 Earth, 1 Ice, 1-2 Magma (8-11 icons) Other: 100% Steals. SubetaBall is another similar option. KT Ring contains a nice steal rate and is a cheaper item.

Healers

Defense: 1-5 all icons (9-45 icon) Other: 90% Healing Contains 1 mod slot, which is nice. Covers on average 27 icons. I consider this better than the 10% healing over quill. Most of the times you are using this will be when you are about 30% and you want to avoid dying by a critical. It will heal you completely but sometimes you won't use that extra 10% heal since you can't overheal.

Other: 100% Healing A simple and yet effective tier 1 weapon. Recovers you 100% of your total HP. A must in any battle weapon set. Unless the enemy have healing cancel. Which if thats the case, why are you looking here for?

Attack: 1 Fire, 1 Magma(2 icons) Other: 50% Healing, 10% chance of this attack: 10 Fire, 10 Magma (20 icons) Heals 100%

Attack: 1 all icons (9 icons) Defense: 1 all icons (9 icons) Other: Heals 1000 Health The reason why this is no more up the list is because 1000 is not a lot. Even at tier 7 which this weapon is. A pet should have about 850-1099hp. If your pet have 2k hp (about tier 11), this will heal 50% of the pet's hp. It's easily outclass by the healers above.

Blessing: Nerves of Steel: Blocks 7 Physical, Heals 125hp, Lasts 100 turns Curse: Smoking Gun: 3 Physical, 3 Fire, 3 Dark (9 icons); Lasts 100 Turns Other: Boosts 250 strength, defense and speed This was a really hard choice. Other weapons were: Nachos Secret Stuff (25%-35% heal and cancel 1 opponent weapon), Core of the Island (40% heal and blessing of 100hp for 10 turns), and UltimaPlus Tag (20% steal, 30% freeze, 25% healing). This weapon won because it gives you 125hp for 100 turns. Technically that's 12,500 hp which adds slowly.

Blockers

Defense: All icons What makes this blocker so good should be the sole reason why it shouldn't be here. It's a semi-breakable weapon. It means it contains a 50% chance to stay and use it next turn.

Defense: All icons (at tier 5+) Other: Chance to freeze It blocks all damage and contains a small chance to freeze opponent with 1 mod slot!

Defense: All icons Blocks all damage, nothing more to say.

Follow stats require 2500+ Intelligence! Attack: 22 Earth, 22 Magma (44 icons) Defense: 99 Earth (99 icons) Blessing: Heart of the Island: Blocks 10 Magma, 10 Earth, 10 Fire; 100HP heal (10 rounds) Other: Heal 40% 99 earth icons is a really nice defense, but blessing will block a total of 300 icons and heal 1k after 10 turn. Thats a total of 44 damage, 499 defence, 1k+40% hp this weapon offers!

Attack: 10 or 15 Wind, 45 Light, 10 or 15 Physical, 10 or 15 Water (75-90 icons) Defense: 75 Dark Blessing: 3 of each icons, 750hp, 100% freeze protection Many people claim this is a terrible weapon considering it was such an important prize (last reading drive). Still, it packs a big punch, blocks a desireable stat (dark), but the thing that makes it shine is the blessing. It not only will heal you for a 750hp and block 3 of all icons in 3 turns, but it will protect you from freeze for those 3 turns too!

-On updating process! You want to see a specific type of weapon. Let me know!

Nov 15, 2017 8 years ago
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Healers I think TOR is kinda junky, and I would put Island Core up in the top 5. I have also been thinking about using the Phoenix potion

Freezers Poison Blowdart definitely needs a place on the list

Bombs I don't really get your definition. Nacho is a weapon I usually consider to be more of a freezer to use on opponents that disable freezing. Island core is more of a healer than a bomb. MEcha is really a category in itself. In terms of true bombs I use Acorn bomb pretty regularly, and Martenez briefcase, but thats not really readily available. As part of my BQ set that opens with a 2x bomb to knock out early opponents in 1 hit as consistently as possible. Potion of the Robot is something I'm using in more and more set ups lately as well.

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Nov 15, 2017 8 years ago
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TOR is there because even at tier 11 it will heal 50% instantly while is tier 7. Compare to all other options which got mention, you can say it's decent and a different option. Still, for me at tier 13 with almost 11k hp.... it's not even a 10%....

From what I was aware, dart wasn't 100% freeze and have a chance to make 99% damage to user? I don't own one to test it. I'm too cheap to spend 150m on it, so I wait for one in market. I should have bought the one for 100m in shops 2 months ago. Which I think you did by comment lol

By bomb I was going by a damage side. Just like acorn bomb. I just end up putting Mecha there mostly because of curse and it's extremely helpful blessing. Also, throw mecha with a robot potion and you practically got a working panzer hydra.

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I was around for the cruise and bought everything at cruise pricing, and I usually only buy big stuff if I think there is a chance at 100-200%+ profit.

It only deals 25%, and its pretty rare, I'm looking at that . I use it pretty regularly. I don't think I've ever seen it not freeze, but I wonder if I wasn't paying attention because it would make sense that it wouldn't freeze if you swallowed it.

I guess I have always advocated for the high HP very early build, for me TOR has always sucked. I had been using island core of AoD, sometimes even over Pquill. I rank them RoTL > Pquill vs Island core > AoK vs Phoenix Potion > TOR. Then mecha I usually always have a mocha in my set unless

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I was right >.> Let me eat this cookie I found as a reward: Still, if it was 100m and it cost 150m in shops, how you expect to get 100%-200% profit? Shouldn't you be able to obtain from 0-50% profit?

Honestly, high HP and Strength is all you need. Like I mention before, I was able to defeat The Gate Keeper when my pet was tier 6 with Ab. Ab is a funny pet build which only contains HP/STR. He seems to do really well compare its a tier 7, now compare to my other tier 8 pets. However, it fall short when compare to my tier 9 pets. Turkey Quill is an amazing tier 7 weapon for his build. Since, it doesn't have any defense or speed, it doesn't need defensive icons. I'm thinking that maybe a build with turkey quill and another uncap high healing weapon could make a pet invisible or close to it. Imagen a 30k hp pet + 5k str, that can heal 13%-37% (average 25%) per turn. Thats healing 7500 + like 1000 from scroll cap. 8.5k per turn is insane, who needs defense at that point. You can add those useless Healing Baguette Crystal just to add more to the fun lol Still my pet is way too far from it and I want to focus on Mach first.... then it Ab ;)

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nah I'm saying I didn't buy them off the shop search, upside would have been too small :P. Had I seen that I might have made an exception for that one though. 50mil pretty easy probably would have been good enough :P. I had to do an account search to make sure it wasn't me that bought them lol.

I think defense is undervalued. When I was going from tier 5 to 10 I had a spreadsheet to calculate what would give me the most efficient use of stats at any time over the course of the next 10 to 100 stats that I would train. It could probably be approximated by a 1:4 ratio until the number of defensive icons you have access to explodes, to the point where now I am probably a bit overtrained on defense for most opponents, Training it more to keep my TKSS happy and because tomes are cheap..

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Nov 15, 2017 8 years ago
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How about a blocker category? Shinwas Temple Shard, Rainbow Vortex, and Amulet of Neutrality are great ones off the top of my head. I'm sure there are two other ones :P

Maybe you could also come up with a scroll list? Like for blockers or bombs.

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Yes I was thinking on the a blocker but there aren’t many full blockers so I got to get creative. As far as scroll, meh it’s doing all those things again ?

Nov 15, 2017 8 years ago
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Scrolls are important, though, since they work together with your weapon set. For instance, I could switch out STT for a Cobalt Eternal if I want to make room for another bomb in my set :D

Nov 16, 2017 8 years ago
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I second the core of the island being a top 5 healer. The one ring is useful if you don’t have an uneven pet build. However, pets with builds focused on boosting health will benefit more from the core than the one ring. The core is a % healer that scales with intel so technically a T1 pet with 2500 intel can equip the core and gain 50% heal with other benefits. Whereas the one ring just offers a flat 1k heal

Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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It contains a high requirement to use 2500 int. Only tier 11+ pet can use it and it's a weapon that was mention already in "bombs" I did mention it at the end, still even then it couldn't be a top 5 because Nacho Secret Stuff is much better. It's ability to cancel one of your opponents weapon is too good! It contains a healing that doesn't require INT and deals more damage. The One Ring can be much better on with low hp build, at tier 7 can heal for over 100%+ making taking more likely to be full next turn. The other weapons already got a spotlight and this weapon can be arguably better in some scenarios. After all, you don't want to see the same weapons plaster all over, Otherwise, let me just put nacho secret stuff on all categories and call it GG I don't think that could be fair for other weapons :p

Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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if I'm not mistaken the KT Ring isn't a 100% stealer - the Subetaball is a 100% stealer with a few attack icons

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Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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KT Ring to my knowledge is a 100% stealer unless they change it. I explain below the other 2 stealers but a few icons for millions of sp... doesn't feel like worth it. It's only 70k sp and there are plenty to go around.

Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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Nope. It's probably 50%~90% but out of 10 attempts it failed me twice.

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Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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Do scrolls next :o

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Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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Fine but I'm not putting the subeaball as top 5. Kismets Cosmic Wand of Annihilation have 0.5 on average more icons than the ball.

Fine, I will do scrolls.... still is hard to decide what's good considering the AP Example: The Void Scroll should be an amazing scroll but cost like 50 AP Or the long lasting questions: Shriek Vs Psycho Vs (the new) Stomp

Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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Oh pfft yeah I forgot about the T11 hard requirement. See that would make me want it even more in the top 5 healers in that it both heals, acts as a bomb and has a blessing. I still think the ring will only get you so far. My pet right now is T10 (and still an early T10) with 2500 health. If I were to use the one ring, I only gain 40% whereas if I used the amulet of drakk I would get 50% of my health back. Youur assumptions for when the one ring stops being useful is based on pets with even builds, but not all pets have even builds or low health builds. A lot of pets have high health builds. The way I see it, healers with a %heal continue to be useful instead of those with a hard value because they essentially grow with your pet. The hard value healers eventually stop getting used.

My only concern with not mentioning it is that it could be misleading to someone who doesn't know enough about battling can overlook it as a potential healer. I would add it to the bottom with a * and a note about it being useful for pets with more health.

Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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KT Ring has 90% chance of stealing according to . Comment here ^^

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Nov 17, 2017 8 years ago
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I don't get why you have Island core as a bomb at all, it does fewer icons than a constant weapon of the same tier.

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My assumptions were right then! :) And they were pretty accurate when it comes down to only 10 tests. I ran a few more battles and in 50 times it failed me 12 times so that's 38 out of 50 that's a 76% average stealing chance.

If I ran like a 1000 battles test I could get a more precise result. Considering that a rate of stealing of 90% means that in every 10 battles it should fail only once (at optimum work), every 1 in 4 battles will fail you is a great stealer for less than 100k.

Considering that the next upgrade is over 5mil (and only tier 4!) it's great, but only at lower tiers. If you're on a higher tier, better grab a 100% stealer.

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