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Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
TheTallMan
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I am new to battling and my pet doesn't have any equipment/spells. What is the best way to get started, is there a core set of equipment that I should start with that I can build upon, or should I just grab random equipment and start trying it out.

Your assistance is appreciated.

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Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
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There are certain kind of weapons and scrolls that are very often used in a set. However, at the lower tiers (when your pet doesn't have that many stats yet), you might not have access to those staples that are usually in a set. For example, most people have a 100% stealer in their set, but this is only possible from tier 4 on with the , or for a lesser (but still reasonably high) freeze chance in tier 3 with the . Most people carry a blaster in their set, the most used ones are the and , but both only become available from tier 5. There is the which can be used from tier 2, but to be honest, you don't want to use that at tier 2 because most likely you'll give your opponents a more powerfull attack instead of a useless one. Another staple is the (once per battle) 100% healer, the . Although it is usefull at every tier, since it always heals your pet for 100% of their HP, it might not be a priority for a starting battler right away, since your pet has only 27hp in total currently. There are weapon that are much cheaper, like the , usable even at tier 1, that heal for a fixed amount of HP. For the Rreign staff, this is 10hp per turn that you use it. For your 27hp pet, that's a 30% heal every turn, for a much lower budget than the Phoenix Quill. As you increase your pets stats, for example to 200hp, then the 10hp heal is less and less impactfull, and the 100% heal from the Phoenix Quill will become more valuable.

In the higher tiers, most people use two infinite use attackers, two weapons that preferably have some form of healing on them, a nice attack and preferrably some usefull defense. At the lower tiers, these kind of weapons are pretty rare, and you'll often have to choose between attacking, healing or defending with a weapon. So I guess most people go with 1 attacker, 1 attacker that also heals, and 1 item that has some nice defense. For the defense, I'm thinking about the or the which can also not be used in the lower tiers. If you want to keep training your pet, and want to battle regularly, then it might be worth it to buy a scaling weapon. They're a bit on the expensive side, but you can stick with them for a couple of tiers. The starts off with a small attack, small defense and a little bit of healing. It will increase in strength, healing and defense as your pet goes up in tiers. If you're not sure whether you want to be that serious in battling, and want to fiddle around a bit first, I'd recommend a set with the following: and or

For every 16 intelligence points, your pet will gain one alchemy point. These alchemy points can be used to equip scrolls. Most people have at least an infinite use healing scroll. The is very cheap (and I think requires 4 alchemy points to use) and heals 15hp every turn it is used. It's a pretty nice beginners scroll, although you'll quickly outgrow it. You can upgrade later to or . There are even more powerfull scrolls to upgrade to, but these are pretty good to start out with. Later on you might also want to invest in scrolls that have a chance to freeze your opponent, block some damage, or once per battle scrolls with some healing on them. The Morosbane scroll is a nice one that deals quite a bit of damage and heals your pet for 300hp (that could be a full heal if your pet has less than 300hp!). I see that your pet doesn't have any intelligence yet, so I won't go into detail on the freezing and blocking scrolls yet. Getting a nice healing scroll is your first priority, and you'll have to get a bit more alchemy points to be able to equip additional scrolls. Alchemy points are not used up, so if you've used the Champion scroll for 4AP, and you want to use a scroll that requires 7AP, you can remove the Champion scroll from your scroll set in order to free up those 4AP again. Intelligence is earned through reading books, using stat boosters, giving your pet a job and collecting the pay, or playing mystic spindles. I personally hate mystic spindles, but it might be worth looking in to, since the points required to get more intelligence go up as your pet gains more intelligence. So playing some mystic spindles before you start reading books might save you a bit of SP in the process.

I almost forgot about potions and shards. You can equip potions and shards to your pet, which are all one use. So while the once per battle weapons and scrolls will be replenished when you enter a new battle, the potions and shards will not be replenished. You'll have to buy new ones every time you want to use them. But they can be very helpfull when you just need that little bit of extra oomph when trying to defeat an opponent. There are the potions that just deal damage, like the and etc. There are shards that give a little bit of defense, like and . And there are pylonics, which have varying effects. The most used pylonics are probably the which completely blocks all damage (except curses) done to your pet for one turn. And the which has a chance to freeze your opponent. If you go around the sticky threads in the battle forum, you'll find links to guides where all the potions, pylonics and shards are listed.

You can also modify your weapons with crystals, like the etc. This usually depends a bit on the opponent you're trying to defeat. It doesn't hurt to just slap something on. Keep in mind that when you remove a weapon from your armory, or when you replace a crystal, you won't get the old crystals back. Those will be destroyed forever.

Let me know if there is more that you'd like to know!

With a good set for tier 1, there are definitely some opponents that you can defeat, so don't hesitate to try some battles!


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Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
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Wow you are amazing thanks for the incredibly detailed response. Managed to win my first match. You Won!

You have defeated Buttwing Bomber 1 time!

I do have a question though, how do I heal my pet back to full health to battle again, cancel that, I just found the healer? Also how do I increase the tier of my pet, is this tied to the pets total stats?

Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
L0stS0ul
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You're welcome!

The healer is the quickest way to get healed back up after you lose a fight. The SP that you spend for getting healed depends on how much hp is being healed. There is a trick that people with pets with a lot of health sometimes use to reduce the healing cost. You can buy a potion, for instance , use it to gain 10hp, and then you can battle an easy opponent like the buttwing bomber and use the 100% healer to get back to full hp. The potion costs 14 000 SP, while healing at the healer costs me 25 000 SP, so it's cheaper to heal that way. But it takes a bit more time and effort. It's going to take a while before you reach that point though, so the easiest and cheapest is to go to the healer.

The In-Depth Battle Guide on the battle colloseum page has some usefull information for people to get started.

The tier your pet is in is determined by the combined amount of Strength, Defense, Health and Speed. Intelligence and level are not included in the calculation. Actually level doesn't really do much except increasing your training time and costs, so you want to keep it as low as possible. Sometimes you'll need to increase it to be able to continue to train in the training center. Pets in tier 1 have an added strength, defense, health and speed of below 300. If you train your pets evenly, that would be below 75 in each stat. As soon as you get to 300 combined stats, you'll move to tier 2. Tier 3 is reached at 600 combined stats. Intelligence doesn't count, so while your tier limits what weapons you can use, you are not limited at all in the kind of scrolls you can use. A tier 1 pet with tons and tons of intelligence can equip the most powerfull scrolls and might be able to win matches vs opponents they would normally not be able to win. So scrolls are quite powerfull, but they do usually come with a large SP cost. For example, the heals your pet for 1500hp once per battle. If you would have 20 of these scrolls, and enough alchemy points to equip them, you'd be more or less invulnerable for 20 turns as a tier 1 pet, since most of the easier opponents don't deal that amount of damage. That wouldn't work against Eclipse for example, because that's one of the opponents that has healing disabled. But then you could equip which blocks a lot of damage, much more than what Eclipse would normally deal. However, in reality nobody has that much alchemy points on a tier 1 pet, or would spend so much SP to gather so many of those scrolls. Would be fun though :D Now that I think about it, maybe one of the battlers probably did try something like that, to see how far they'd be able to get.


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Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
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I guess the biggest road block to battling is simply training your pets levels up. I assume its best to just keep grinding stats at the training center. I see the stat booster items which I might start hoarding slowly and not use the stat boosting items until I am a lot stronger. I will focus on saving for a good battle set as I see some of the top tier items are hundreds of millions. Going to be a really slow grind.

Sep 5, 2017 8 years ago
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Yes, training your pet is going to help a lot with being able to equip stronger weapons when you go up in tiers. Doing Battle Quests can help with gaining stats (and battle tokens, which can be used to buy crystals, stat boosters or weapons in the Battle Shop). In the beginning, you will not be able to defeat a lot of opponents, but you will get a little bit of experience which you can use to increase your stats.

While the top tier weapons do cost a lot, there are budget items for every tier that will get the job done. Especially in the earlier tiers you don't want to spend too much SP since you'll go up in tiers quickly. One weapon to look out for is the Reborn Icewand of Doom, for tier 6. It has pretty good stats, and is very usefull in tier 7 as well. Around tier 8 you want to start looking for a replacement. The Reborn Icewand is a Genetech combo, it's made from the Reborn wand of Doom and the Freezewand of Doom. Both are tier 5 weapons. So if you invest in them in tier 5, you won't need to replace one of your main attackers for tiers 5-7.


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Sep 11, 2017 8 years ago
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Thanks lost, I am moving along already tier 2, about 440 more stats away from tier 3 so it should be a couple more weeks. Is it a good idea to equip crystals to my weapons, or is it a better value to just save my tokens and buy stat booster items?

The weapons I am currently using are Legendary Staff of Mist, Cursed Irion Chestplate, Pie Bomb, Glacial Crystal Totem and Creature Claw. Mainly I just use the Staff and Cursed Irion Chestplate and my scroll is Telson. Since I will only be a tier 2 for a few weeks I figure there is probably not much use of upgrading my set to much since mainly the tier two weapons will need to all be replaced, but if you have any suggestions let me know.

One other question about the phoenix quill. Since its a healer that would mean I couldn't have a multi healer in my set. In what scenario would you want a 100% healer over a multi use healer? I am just wondering if I should go out and buy the Quill now.

Sep 11, 2017 8 years ago
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Mod crystals (or mods) serve very different purposes from stat boosters. Mods provide extra attack or defence icons when you are in a battle, or grant chance at a blessing against opponents that steal or freeze you, which no matter how many more stats you gain wouldn't give you. At lower tiers, training is relatively cheap, so I'd encourage that you use the Training Centre and Battle Quests to earn stats, and save stat boosters for when you are at higher tiers.

By the same token, since it takes much less time to advance from one tier to another below T9, I'd recommend not slotting expensive mods onto weapons you will replace soon. Currently two of the most useful and expensive mod crystals are: and If you ever choose to use them, make sure you'll slot them on weapons you will use for at least 3 tiers or more. Cheaper mods can be replaced easily so you can worry less about losing them at this point. The equivalent to parched baguette at your tier would be: It protects you from freezing and stealing (the latter of which parched mods don't); however it lasts only 3 rounds (versus 5 rounds of freeze protection for parched). The upside is it's cheap and can be bought from the battle shop.

Phoenix Quill or PQuill for short doesn't take the healer slot (though it does heal) so you can bring it plus your multiuse (or infinite) healer in battle. The amazing thing is you often don't have to choose between them :). PQuill is one of the best investment that will last you through several tiers and will make a difference in battle, so I'd recommend getting one when the summer stock hasn't rolled over to autumn yet.

The investment I'd recommend at different starting points would be: Tier 2: PQuill Tier 4: Shinwas Temple Shard (but it's expensive at the moment due to the last Gelawar so you can put it off until much later OR Tier 5: Rainbow Vortex (same as above) AT 300 HP and above: Soothing Current Scroll, Divine Denizhen scroll or Terra Focujin scroll (craftable at the Shrine - cheaper than buying directly from shop. My personal favourite is the Divine Denizhen) Keep an eye out for a challenger named Crawbeast (a bluish grey dragon). He's likely to make a comeback sometime this month or the next if the Battle Admins (BAs) release him. He drops a scroll named Ocean Currents and it's one of the best attainable scrolls in the game and it'll be of much help to you at T6 and above. Right now the scroll is expensive but when he's back you can get it for cheaper. I'd say it'll be a steal at 30-35 mil and if you can save up for it in time it's worth every penny you spend on it.

Also Tier 5: Reborn Wand of Doom (currently in Summer stock) and Freezing Wand of Doom (in Winter stock). If you think you can reach Tier 5 this year, I'd recommend picking up the Reborn Wand of Doom now. At Tier 6 they can be combined to make the Reborn Icewand of Doom which is a very good Tier 6 weapon.

Other investment to make at Tier 5: Soma Tablets Reviver of the Lion

At tier 5 these make some very hefty battle purchases but they will last you forever. Battlers with T13 pets still likely have these (especially the Soma Tablets) in their set so I'd recommend these as your battle purchase goals for T5 and beyond (you can spread the purchases over a few tiers if you want).

At lower tiers go for a cheap 100% freezer (Gorgun - T4 and Gate Keeper collar of Slavery - T5 would fit the bill). At Tier 8 you can invest in a Scientist Specs which is a much better freezer than these two, and at Tier 9 you can use the Intricate Energized Helmet which can be combined from components in the Battle Shop.

At Tier 11 you'll be ready for your first god weapon purchase. It'll be a long time until then so you can forget about them until much later.

I hope that helps with the planning out of your battle purchases.

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Sep 11, 2017 8 years ago
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Thanks for the rundown maskros. I have purchase the reborn wand of doom and just picked up the pquill so 2 down. I assume the Drs still stocks at Blackheath hollow and if that's the case I will keep trying for it there. As for the rainbow vortex those are a cash shop item right, what do they typically cost?

Sep 11, 2017 8 years ago
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Yes, the DDS is currently stocked at the BHH, but if you can't get your hand on one there, don't worry too much about it. It's definitely not worth the current sP price tag on it anyway :)

Rainbow Vortex is a CS item, yes, but CSC was much cheaper in the past so I wouldn't recommend spending more than 115-120 mil for it. At one time quite recently before the war two or three were sold for 100 mil each so I'd say aim for that price. Or you can always get a Shinwas Temple Shard when someone doesn't want theirs anymore. For it the price seems to have fluctuated a lot between 35 to 90 mil.

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Sep 12, 2017 8 years ago
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Can you equip a rainbow vortex and a shinwas temple shard at the same time?

Sep 12, 2017 8 years ago
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Yes there are currently 3 full blockers on site (if you count Negating Pylonic then that's 4 of them) and you can equip all of them at the same time.

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Sep 12, 2017 8 years ago
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Yeah, you can equip both full blockers + a negating pylonic and have 3 turns where your opponent can't touch you! (except for curses!)

[edit] 4th blocker being ^ But this is very rare, and more expensive than the others combined. but its semi-breakable, so you can potentially use it more than once in battle!

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Sep 12, 2017 8 years ago
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Perfect thank you, so if I work towards the shinwas temple shard then go for the Rainbow vortex they will work good together. Where does the temple shard come from?

Sep 13, 2017 8 years ago
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It used to be restockable from the Defend and Conquer shop, before it was retired some time ago. Right now the only way to buy it is from other users. If you get lucky, you can get one from Major Drills quests when he gives out r101 (retired) items, though the chance to land on a STS is very rare. Occasionally when the price for STS is too high or more have been out of circulation staff will release it via the Crystal Shop. I kind of forget how many crystals they were going for the last time they were on sale though.

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