and I think that there ought to be a system to release old, perhaps even 'extinct', custom wearables from frozen user's accounts and have come up with an idea that will both bring profit to subeta and re-circulate some hard to find items back into the CW economy.

The proposition, as it stands, is to bring back a variation of the auction system, where CWs are periodically purged from a frozen user's account and pushed back into the system, allowing users to bid CSC with 50-100 CSC increments.

PLEASE MOM? I NEED IT!

Additionally, to curtail the unauthorized selling of private CW's, introduce the ability to "mark" certain recolors of items as "private" when categorizing them on the recolors page. Every cent spent on these CW's would go straight back into Subeta's pocket and put an end to /insanely/ high resell values. It would essentially offer everyone interested in hard-to-find CW's an opportunity to own some of the items that have been on our wishlists for years.

Down with Slot Sporks!

i believe this is something you might be interested in?

this sounds like a very interesting idea. i'm not sure how would they do this, though.. plus there is a slight, slim chance those users would return [let's say in the case of those who self froze] and would not like to see items missing. but there is nothing to stop the staff from doing this with the CWs from the pawn shop [which has yet to be open for a special occasion]. And i'm sure there are many 'extinct' CWs in there ;) or even private [since only the staff knows now what was sold to the Pawn shop].

I think self-frozen accounts must be marked as such, to give them access back into their account. But the CWs wouldn't be released until the account has been designated for clearing, anyway.

i didn't even imagine those CWs would be released before that 1 year on inactivity ;) in any case, i support the idea, if the staff finds a way to implement it.

We originally talked about that idea, too. It seems pretty sound in logic, as well. SubetaTeam used to do special events with the auction house where they'd release hard-to-find (non-CW) items at like 1sP and by the end of auction, really sought-after items had sold for $80mil but the whole process was SO interactive and made it an incredibly satisfying experience. I'd love to, at the very least, see an annual event where the Pawn Shop did say-- a "charity" auction? Maybe the Pawn Shop Demi (What is his name even?) turns over a new leaf after having a Scrooge-like experience for Lumi and suddenly he auctions off all of his CW's to donate to Amy. Release achievs for being a high bidder, involve Melody, make a storyline, reward users for participating...

Needless to say, it could be introduced in a really fun limited-edition sort of way to engage us into buying CSC and spending it on items we desire, It's a win/win situation,

ooh, awesome idea! i think it would be perfect for luminaire. [and even black friday] or even any other time Subeta feels they need more muni, lol XD [ouch ouch touchy subject, ouch ouch]

I totally support this idea and i'd love to see old CW being brought back n.n

No Support.

CWs are licensed for personal expression, and the person in question is no longer around. Subeta has a vested interest in enforcing its Rules under all circumstances, even circumstances when other users are hanging around hoping to pick up what's left. The last thing we need is for users to subtly incite other users to break the rules and get frozen just so that there's an opportunity to get that user's stuff. Furthermore whether an account is self frozen or not violates the rule that says that moderation actions cannot be discussed.

I strongly oppose any Suggestion that involves Subeta in curtailing or supporting or doing anything at all for "privates". Whatever all y'all are doing with that? Subeta has nothing to do with it and should remain uninterested. The instant someuser mentions this it's like a plan that involves losing your hat, a bad plan.

Subeta can have a vested interest when it profits from it. If they release a frozen user's item -- like, say, the shaved pouf -- they earn $500 or so. The last time that went for sale, it was 50k. You forget, also, that subeta is a social site. If someone wanted to incite drama in order to get a user frozen, they'd have done it already. It's common sense to not be antagonised into breaking a rule and, truthfully, subeta's rules are fairly lax.

You bring up some points that would work in a simulation, but you aren't factoring in human intelligence.

I'm pretty much going to agree with

Some CWs were never released to the public nor to anyone else but the releaser or artist. It would be incredibly shitty to "auction" these items, especially if the releaser itself is against it in the first place (that goes both for self-freezing and freezing by a staff member). I'm aware it ends up being Subeta's property once it gets uploaded onsite but I don't see the harm that they do right now? I mean they aren't circulating or anything? To me, it would create more drama between buyers than anything. I can already imagine a lot of posts targeting an user offsite for buying "a lot of new auctionned cw".

So yeah. I totally disagree on "violating" a frozen account. That being said, the same idea could be applied to our pawn shop that is collecting dust and custom wears right now.

Subeta always said that it would never enforce the 'privacy' of CWs, instead it would enforce the cult law. If people NEVER wanted the CWs to fall into the wrong hands, they should have made a cult.

Why would someone buying auctioned CWs create drama?

It would have been ideal if subeta had had a 'private' option in place, similar to invitations, but they didn't want to put it in there. I'm assuming that there was a reason for that.

There are a lot of CWs collecting dust, the idea of trying to recirculate some old ones was just an idea to soothe the burn.

I highly doubt this is going to happen. Subeta doesn't clear accounts they only do name changes with reimbursement. How is subeta going to replace those items you are requested to be removed? While I understand the frustration of items being unobtainable it is still not justified to take from others.

It's just an idea. There are plenty of users who will never get their accounts back. If an account is deemed completely frozen, then it should be re-released. There are people who cheat, people who unthinkingly make an account for a friend, people who trace of copy cws, and those people will not be allowed to rejoin subeta. they could reimburse the CSC earned to the account, if they wanted. It still would earn subeta more profit in the long-run.

If people are able to create drama over a blob and a NPC, they surely can do more with custom wearable. "Oh man, they surely have a lot of time to waste to bid on this at this hour?? How can they afford such amount??? Why is X user bidding on everything??" It would never end.

A cult? Aren't those removed and changed for groups? I'm not even sure how "shared items" work anyway. That being said, it feels incredibly weird to take from others because "oh hey you left/were frozen? too bad". I know these are just virtual possession but it weirds me out to even take things. What about dead people? Are we taking from them as well? I think I'd exploit the pawn shop first before taking from others or find a way to create a form of social network where cws can be lended by Subeta from Subeta.

Per instance, I'd want to purchase X item from a certain account. Subeta would get X CSC on this item from me so I can borrow said item. After the delay, it goes back in circulation for someone else. It's just a vague idea but taking from others is a no-go for me and I cannot justify serving myself from an auction.

oooh, okay, no. this is a bad idea on a lot of levels. i really do like the basic concept, but there's just so many ways this could go wrong really really fast and on a devastating level.

1. no, staff does not publicly support private cws. BUT cws were initially made to, in essence, be private. (not so much in the no sell/trade sense, but in the 'this is for x group' sense) they were not made with the intention of starting a huge marketplace like the one that's evolved - they were put in place as a thing for friends, and the idea of limiting who could slot on things, or who could have them, is not at all new. it's been around since the very beginning.
2. accounts that are self-frozen. yes, they probably are marked in the system - but this would be a distinction between users frozen for different causes (i.e. someone who self-froze vs someone frozen for an actual offense) and staff has a history of being heavily against anything that would distinguish between these.
3. this is a silly little nitpicky thing, but the last pouf went for 30k (not 50). i'm friends with the crazy person that bought it, aha. ik it doesn't matter too much at that point but like i said, silly nitpicky detail that just bugs me.
4. there are people on this site that are manipulative enough to try to get someone iced to get their stuff. if you've never encountered them, count yourself lucky, but just because you don't have personal experience with it does not mean it does not occur.
5. this actually would create a lot of drama, especially with exceedingly rare cws. there'd be so many people bitter over not winning auctions, and you could easily get friends bidding against each other. i know it sounds silly, but i swear this would happen. people get ridiculously upset over stupid virtual stuff.
6. yes, the cws that only have 1 or 2 copies onsite probably would go for insane prices, and while it might help subeta's economy/cw marketplace in the short term, i've got a hunch that it would majorly corrupt it in the long term. you'd have people refusing to trade their rarer items for anything but this one specific thing that's only got 1 copy onsite and the person that has it won't part with it, so they'll just advertise and advertise and drive everyone up a wall. you'd have people spending insane amounts on auctions and then not buying at all from other users, so yeah, csc would get spent, but it wouldn't really circulate. everyone would be selling stuff and no one would buy much of it bc we'd all be too focused on getting x or y super rare item 1 batch item from 2011 in an auction.
7. a lot of older cws aren't popular. yeah, there's your cappuccino curls and suave heels, etc, but there's also a ton that just aren't up to current art standards and really don't get bought even when a copy turns up. so you'd have a ton of auctions that would probably expire without bids, and a small minority that would shoot up to hundreds of dollars.
8. if the starting bid was lower than pawn price, people would bid on these old unpopular cws - but then they'd turn around and pawn them for a profit.
9. seconding 's line of thought - if some new evidence were to come to light that user x was frozen unjustly and staff unfroze them, but their cws had already been auctioned, what compensation would they be given? csc is not just compensation in my eyes at all; some cws are worth much more than others. if a flat price was given, whether it's based on the number of cws or the category (i.e. hat, jewelry, wig, etc), it still wouldn't be just. there is no compensation possible for a cw with only 1 copy onsite or an item made as a memorial for a pet or smth of that line. i realize it's unlikely that new evidence that would merit unfreezing would surface after a year, but it's not impossible, and therefore should be accounted for if this were ever to be implemented in any fashion.
10. seconding - would accounts of deceased users be exempt from this, or would we take from them too? because that's just... really wrong, on a lot of levels.

just reopen the pawn shop for black friday or some other holiday. that should provide enough old/rare/private things for anyone's taste, based on what i'd seen of it while it was open.

I didn't read all the replies so apologies if this was addressed.

I'm not sure that this is actually possible from a site standpoint. Someone on staff brought this up recently (I think it was in an officialcw post), but staff can't tell other users why User A was frozen. It's not fair to go and release CWs owned by User A in the case that they self-froze with the intent to come back, in my opinion. Regardless of how long they've been frozen. But in order to release their owned items, staff would basically be saying "okay this person was frozen by us and can't come back, here you go."

I'm not entirely in favor of this in general, but if there was a way to do it with no connection whatsoever to the frozen users (thus, not revealing who was frozen or why), and it was only done for those permanently frozen users who have already appealed their ban and lost, then I could maybe be in favor of it. However, that sounds like a lot of extra work for staff for something that I'm not sure we need, not to mention the can of worms it will open when people's private items are auctioned off to the general public.

CW auctions can sometimes hit crazy prices, and I doubt people would be able to afford more than one at a crazy price just to try and buy their own privates back. The auction part is possibly my least favorite part of this suggestion

Absolutely no support.

Subeta no longer clears accounts and therefore it should not nit-pick an account apart and sell it to the highest bidder.

Pet names and usernames are one thing, but an /auction/ designed to take total advantage of someone's mistakes / etc is another thing. I strongly believe the account should remain in tact with no further actions taken against it as any sort of punishment such as this.

[edit] This not only applies to cws, but also rare or impossible to get items otherwise.

Subeta has been known to give frozen people second chances in certain cases.

Also, I can imagine as a worst case scenario that people would try/wish to have others frozen for their CWs. This userbase has proved itself more than petty enough for me to think this imo. Distributing CWs as suggested here would create a shitstorm of drama, especially since CWs and real money would be involved. Thinking otherwise is just being willfully ignorant; the facts are that Subeta has had plenty of precedence with CW drama.

No support.

1. Fair enough. I've released a handful of private CW's and I totally understand the 'disrespect' as I've accidentally purchased items not knowing they were privated and gotten a LOAD of hate for it but ultimately told not to ever release it into public paws EVER AGAIN. I've felt that drama. I know it sucks to be persecuted for wanting an item /so bad/ and finally finding it to have your joy stomped out by an angry creator. Truth be told, though, there's always going to be "illegal" selling of privated CW's. However I really wish that to curtail the amount of harassment caused by it, Subeta would offer an option to "mark" items as private so that it CAN NOT be bought or sold by anyone BUT the original releaser in this instance.

2. Accounts that are self-frozen still fall into the year "permafreezing"-ish thing, no? Nobody has any issues taking precious pet names from long-frozen accounts (I'm a name stalker, sorry not sorry). Once frozen, the user has a year to either log in in the case of self-freezing OR appealing the freezing to a UA. If your UA doesn't unfreeze after that, your account /already/ clears for someone else. That being said, you'd have a year after your initial freezing before those items would be considered "abandoned". Perhaps, too, if you e-mail a UA to appeal your account being frozen, you could exercise a rite to request that your CW's be released to Pawn or not. After all, I know a few users that have THOUSANDS of dollars of CW's that they gladly would have thrown into circulation had they had the choice after being frozen.

3. Not related to your number three but everyone wants to bring up drama. There has always been and will always be drama, no matter what. I've participated and fallen victim to it. We're a very small tight-knit community. There are, naturally, some cliques. It's just a thing, man. We're very fortunate to be able to express our opinions here and as long as Subeta is around and not heavily policing our right to share our opinions, there will be drama. I accepted that yeeeears ago. I mean, look at ... She's currently with some serious accusations right now.

4. And we're always going to have competent mods. People can /try/ to get people iced but at the end of the day, the staff will review accounts on a case-by-case basis. I don't really see there being an influx of people getting iced specifically to get items released and even still, the CW community is fairly small. I've seen the same people in the CW forums for YEARS. Interacted with these people for YEARS. If you're dedicated enough to stick it out this long and not get frozen, I think they'll be fine.

5. ^ Drama has always and will always exist on Subeta. We're a bunch of opinionated AF people. We're all entitled to the opinion and the staff protects our rights to express those opinions as long as it doesn't fall into the category of harassment. You could take away ANY interactive feature on Subeta and people would STILL find a way to drum up a little drama. It's not nearly as awful as it was when I was staff, or so I've noticed but you have to someday just accept that nothing is ever going to change that we're a bunch of dramatic motherfathers.

6. Again, offer an option upon freezing to release your CW's into pawn. If your appeal to get your account back is denied, the mod could ask about the fate of CW's (since they were created with YOUR REAL MONEY). Even though you lose your rights on Subeta once frozen, you should still have the opportunity to decide whether or not your CW's that you payed REAL MONEY for can continue into circulation. Despite some of the sassy individuals here, I could see most everyone agreeing to release CW's into an auction/pawn thing after a full year of their account being frozen and eventually cleared.

7&8. Perfect balance, imo. Those were the items cluttering up pawn. There were a few items in Pawn that were 100csc more than I was willing to spend on such a dated item but still would have enjoyed in my personal stock. Given the option, I'd love an opportunity to bid 50csc for a really dated CW just to stash away into TC's or my wardrobe. I don't see the harm in cycling a few really cheap undesired items. If that's the case, let it lapse until the next Pawn event. Implement a 30-day no-repawn rule. Implement a rule that drives the price in pawn down once the auction is over, reprice the item to the price it initially auctioned for so that if repawning, you only receive what you payed for it. The way that pawn USED to work isn't really a factor now, considering it's a removed feature and user shops are a thing people use now to name their own prices.

9. Again, the chances of a user coming back after their account is eligible for clearing (which is when I'm personally suggesting the CW's be released) is pretty small. Yes, there's always an opportunity to appeal your freezing but once it's been reviewed and discussed among the UA's and , the likelihood of being unfrozen is really very small. I want to reiterate that the event we're suggesting would only happen ONCE A YEAR, perhaps for a week. The Pawn/auction wouldn't last for more than a weekend or week before closing the Pawn Shop again. The only CW's that would be eligible to be sold would be the ones that have belonged to users that have fallen under the year-long account-clearing rule, similar to the way that pet names and usernames become available. So say, a user has been frozen for 8 months and comes up with evidence to prove their freezing was unjust and happens to become unfrozen, they'll return to the game as usual with everything still in tact.

10. I absolutely agree that deceased users would be exempt, of course. I really, really admire Subeta for honoring their deceased players by leaving the account in-tact forever. I would NEVER suggest clearing those accounts.