Has anyone ever explained why there are some pets (at least one malticorn, ontra, and--I guess the job guy is an irion?) who basically have human faces, stances, and hands when those pet types don't have those human features?

...Does anyone even care why there are pets within a species who somehow look more humanoid than the others of their kind?

The Irion is this:

Are you talking about the species or someone's custom overlay? For the species, I think the Warador matches best to your description.

: ...I'm not sure you understood what I was talking about.

Go have a look at the guy you select pet jobs from--an irion, I think, wearing a suit and with normal hands and apparently no multiple tails (he couldn't sit in the chair they gave him otherwise). Go look at the ontra who is 'the Healer' in the Sacred Lands--she's upright and also has human hands with a near-human face. Check out the one you get scratchcards from (or use them at)--a malticorn with a human stance, body shape, hands, and face (mostly human face, anyway).

I'm asking why these members of those species are more humanoid than the rest of the members of those species (irions, ontras, and malticorns).

Oh, the boss at the Job Agency :D

They were originally drawn long ago. Some have been updated like the Ontra healer, while others such as the Scratchcard Malticorn has not. I don't know exactly the reason why, because they were around before I was. However, there hasn't been many Humanoid pets aside from Ujin who sells minions in Shengui Guo a few years ago.

: Ah, I see...So chances are even the Subeta staff don't know why this is the case? It was done on a whim so long ago and they just haven't updated their concepts everywhere just yet?

I guess I can somewhat understand that...Thanks for answering. :)

You're welcome Maybe an artist can answer that question ;)

Reminded me of the bath house attendant torrents who have leaped a few steps in the evolutional chain. Like, does Ujin think of the original torrents living in water like humans do of chimps? Would they mate with a human, a parter from their original species or do they need to have the same humanoid-pet partner?

Not gonna lie, the more humanoid pets around the site bother me a lot. I wish it was either one or the other. Especially when I look at Selina and Alexander

They both have fairly new art, so outdated art really isn't an excuse here. Why is Alexander a cute and clear resemblance of an an ontra, while Selina is pretty much just a human with an ontra's head and tail? I think Alexander's art is a little newer, so if they update Selina again I hope she gets a more pet-like representation.

Jumping off of that, why do these anthropomorphic npc's have a higher intelligence than the standard pets they are based off of? To use Yoshi's example, Alexander is an otherwise normal looking ontra who can talk. I was a little disappointed when the subetapedia was introduced and revealed that subeta pets are pretty much straight up animals. (Although I can understand why, they are labeled "pets" after all, and it would be horrifying to claim ownership over a creature with intelligence on par with yourself.)

But with these characters having been established for years they kind of set the bar for how I developed my pets into characters to fit into subeta lore, and now I'm not sure how that works anymore.

My pets aren't my pets to me, because I don't exist in the world of Subeta. I've always seen them as characters I've created and inserted into canon.

Idk, guys. The answer is probably magic or something.

: Yeah, that's part of why I asked questions about this, because these differences don't make sense. If pets can get the kinds of jobs there are in the employment center, doesn't that mean they're actually all intelligent and more like your kids or siblings than your pets?

And if that's the case, why do you have ownership of them in the first place, and why are they defined as animals? My sister and I both also took them all as intelligent--and they have to have at least ape-like intelligence in order to throw water balloons at you (the recent Vibrant Charlie and Dilemma pets post), and apes are smart enough to learn language and cause-and-effect, and they have an understanding of the passage of time.

This is very confusing, honestly.

With the new design a shopkeeper contest, I've only gotten more confused.

What is considered anthro on this site?

Best guess: Subeta has desperate people too, and Euclid used to hang up flyers looking for paid subjects to test his zapper on.

and now we pay him to mutate us every Morostide because we dumb

: Yeah, that's a good question...I wonder if their detailed rules clarify that? But it still leaves the question of where humanoid pets are coming from in the first place.

: LOLOLOL! I guess that's actually possible.

Honestly, I'd kinda like the pets to have their own personalities to be able to say yes or no to something you want to do to them or something you want them to do. It would make things more interesting and interactive.

I am pretty sure all pets can talk and is intelligence, at lest as intelligence as children. They can talk when you feed/play with them and some mini game, like the one you rock-paper-scissor with them show they has attitude. The thing is, all their respose are just generic text with no AI. They will love one food and hate it instantly later.

How to design 101. If they are meant to be attrcative female or bishonen, they are just human with animal face. If they are 'regular guys', they are just talking animal.

I don't remeber how many pet-man are out there, I guess these?

http://subeta.wikia.com/wiki/L%27amour_Parlor http://subeta.wikia.com/wiki/Oslyae_the_Amazonian_Montre http://subeta.wikia.com/wiki/Babette http://subeta.wikia.com/wiki/Angrybeard http://subeta.wikia.com/wiki/Rita They are basically people.

That really does feel like the case with a lot of the anthro NPC's. At the same time though, I like to think that a Hard tier challenger is more than just a talking animal. He may not be a bishonen, but Fish Breath Jacques is the captain of the Freyalise for a reason. 😂

Huh. I must've missed that during the plot. But it kinda feels like lore is ignoring the fact that Subeta's had anthro NPCs for over a decade before Shengui Guo was introduced? Euclid used to be a wyllop himself before he was revamped into a human, if I remember right. I don't know, kinda not feeling that explanation for anthro pets. Besides, if offspring was affected, the subeta pets (given that they're animals) would probably try to get rid the offspring that just doesn't act "normal", by animal standards. Which would make sense why they're so low in numbers, but it would be odd that nobody's picked up on the fact that Subeta's wilderness is full of "feral children". Especially people in Shadowglen, where there's a graveyard. An ancient, ancient graveyard with lots of ghosts and spirits being active every Morostide.

If you're gonna keep anthro NPCs on the site, an explanation that works without trying to shoehorn the new area in might be a better route? I know you won't change site lore now, but for anyone looking for writing prompts and pet ideas, here ya go!

Item lore (big joke, I know) and site lore in general mentions goddesses. We have shrines of several goddesses besides Shinwa and Maleria: Nukum, Wokam, Azagga, Apollonia. And one god, Porin. Curses that can be passed on through generations. Someone's greatgreatgreat granddad being turned into a telenine because he unknowingly axed a goddess' favorite pet for killing his devontis (subeta!werewolf, anyone?). Or blessings from the gods/various spirits (HI, TEMPEST'S FRIENDS, whoever you are). Gods and spirits... can be a bit mixed up on what people see as a blessing and what they see as a curse. A god might think that turning someone they favor into an irion is the best thing EVER because then they could fly, but the person might not... exactly appreciate it because they're allergic to feathers. Latent magic from magic-related experiments (not from you, Allard. Grandpa!wizard is a nice guy). Or... Hell, gave another idea that makes sense in urban areas lore-wise with the zapper skins. One that would make lot of sense, given Euclid's transformation from wyllop into human.

idk. Not feeling the canon word on it, but eh. At least we got wiggle room to write our own things!

: Your explanation covers the ones in Shengui Guo (like Ujin or the Torrents in the Bathhouse), but I'm with that it doesn't cover all the OTHER anthro pets. Also, I couldn't have known about that plot explanation because I just joined a few weeks ago and my sister wasn't playing during that time.

Some of Frost's other explanations could account for some of them, too--very creative, the blessing/curse ones!--but if it was the Shengui Guo one, there would be more of them running around ("feral children").

Then you sort of have to ask, who do these anthro pets marry and have kids with? Can they partner with their animal species, or with humans, or with both? What does that mean for the kids?

It all still means none of the pets can actually be defined as 'pets' because they aren't actually 'animals', they're sentient and acknowledged to be, they just live simpler lives when left to their own devices than when they live with humans. O.O

I mean... when Subeta first started it seems like pretty much nothing about the lore was consistent. Over the past few years, they've been trying to change that and build up the actual lore in ways that make sense. Sometimes that's harder to do with some things because the actual explanation is that they weren't really thinking about future site lore when they came up with all of the anthro pets.

Retconning for things like that isn't uncommon in general. Maybe a different idea would have made more sense, but I don't really have a problem with the current explanation.