Which one of you donated 1 sP to the group bank? That was hilarious to notice today ahaha. I have to ask because I can't imagine what the motivation behind that was XD

Anyway since we have some money in the group bank I guess we should have an HA contest or something? Prize is one entire subeta point, who wants it?

LOL that was cute... xD

Looks like the bank has gotten some love :O

Thanks that was me. I thought you guys could use the moolah so i threw in my allowance

are we throwing in money that sounds fun

Whoa, looks like the bank has gotten some love indeed! What do you guys think we should do with our group funds?

Ideas:

• Buy subeta billboards that say "nonbinary people are heckin rad, this has been a psa"
• Commission CW of t-shirt that says "DOWN WITH THE GENDER BINARY" in scary red letters on black
• Keep saving up until we are collectively the Richest User and then take turns getting the achievement

Save the funds and use them if needed for billboards or mini contests? :) fun stuff yanno?

this is just my personal opinion i think it would be great if the sp was used for giveaways / birthday gifts instead of "advertising" nb people i get that this is literally a forum group for nb people but i'd feel weird if so much focus is put on gender identities instead of just.. us as people also i feel like the whole *nb ppl are cute and valid and precious* thing ostracizes us and it just generally gives off weird and uncomfy vibes to me and it feeds into the "only edgy 15 year olds on tumblr are nb" stigma

BUT i realise this is probably a very unpopular opinion so do with it what you will

I think you have a valid point. And I totally get what you mean about the forced positivity coming off as a bit... cringey sometimes lol. Thanks for your input. I think we may want to put a bit of sP towards advertising the group, so that people know the group exists - for instance, new Subeta players or returning ones who might want to join. But I agree with you that we shouldn't "advertise" nb folk in that way and can even feed into stigma against us.

Anyone else want to input? I like the suggestion of birthday gifts with group funds; maybe could add birthday info to their gift thread if people like this idea? I also really like having fun mini-events and giveaways within the group, corresponding to Subeta events.

Oh and while I have your attention with the ping: How would you guys feel about a casual HA contest to start out? I was thinking it could be "make an HA that includes something you like, and tell us about it". So for instance, I kinda like turtles so I might make a turtle-themed HA and tell you guys how they've been my favorite animal forever. It could be a fun way to get to know each other more, and I'd raffle off prizes or hold a vote at the end. What do you think? :o

I don't mind adding birthday to the theard I'm taking care of if people are comfy with it. As for events, I'm not much motivated to do them but that's me.

Using the money for events and birthdays is a good idea. We have a while to save up for the next Subeta event.

As for the HA contest idea, that would be an interesting way to get to know everyone. I think it would be better as a raffle, since that'll be more laid back than a "best HA" contest would be.

I agree with alien's POV. It might be nice to establish our group a bit and create a community rather than over-advertising. A casual HA contest sounds fun! I mean, I always love HA contests hehe.

uhhh yeah i'd rather not get too into the whole showing off/advertising gender identity shit either, come to think of it like, the vast majority of my experience with gender + other people has involved metric fucktons of research on my part and tiresome explanations to everyone the moment i so much as bring up that i'm nb, and having it very much have to be a prominent thing i like the part where we all acknowledge we're nb but then are just kind of people together, being people, without requiring us showing off our gender and the like psas, education, i don't really want to be a part of that because i'm fucking tired of being an educator

and the forced-happy-positivity vibe sets my teeth on edge because it feels like a sappy sugar overload but like w/e if it helps you guys i don't care that much

so if people want to donate funds to advertising that we exist, even on a site that has actual nb rep which is cool as hell, maybe it'd be better to set up another thread specifically for advertising so that people who want their shit donated to advertising could go dump it there and people who like advertising/educating non-nb people could go over there and have lots of ideas together i just don't want to be a part of it lmao and i'd rather anything i throw into the group like... be used for the group, and to make the lot of us bond, or happy, or some shit like that

making themed HAs and having a raffle sounds cool raffle is less stressful/competitive/judgmental than contest tbh and since i'm p sure i'm not the only one who dislikes stressful competitions raffle's probably better chill low-key thing

birthday gifts and mini-events sound cool gives us some shit to do together makes sure people are remembered on their birthdays if they wanna be support-type community doing fun shit together is a++ by my standards

i like the idea of raffles and HA contests! o:

I've set up a billboard (no fees were asked to anyone) to bring more of us together. My intention is not to spread awareness. It's more like "you feel nonbinary? come join us" and that's pretty much it. Per instance, if someone were to show up with "I want to be called she only" ... I'd start to wonder why they are here. I understand and agree on most of your points.

I like the idea of raffles and avatar contests. I've made quite a few myself and I like to organize more than participiate. I'm always in to throw some prizes too c: !

mate if anyone showed up here using solely she/her pronouns i'd use she/her pronouns for her if she says she's nb she's nb same for someone using he/him there might be any number of reasons they don't wanna use neutral pronouns and i'm not gonna be the one questioning them about their identity in a group that's meant for nb people to chill and belong in i used she/her pronouns solely for over a year before getting up the nerve to even ask my then-qpp to start using they/them for me, and even then the new pronouns were uncomfortable for a good half-year after that, despite identifying as nonbinary the whole time before that i had a period of only using he/him online because i was rejecting the fact that i was "supposed to be" a girl but didn't then know about nbs to consider gender-neutral pronouns

point being: they might be a baby queer just starting to wonder if they're nb, or nb "enough" to use they/them pronouns. they might just feel like binary pronouns fit (demigirl/demiboy in particular might use that), they might just not like how awkward neutral pronouns can be, they might have any number of reasons we don't know about. and like, asking them why they're here if they're insisting on binary pronouns is like "hey, justify your identity to us before we let you join our club" or "you're not nb enough to be here" which isn't gonna lead to an atmosphere of acceptance/support/just hanging out with your nb pals being nb together like i'm pretty sure this group is for

lmaooo sorry for getting all lecture-y but i do /not/ want this community to devolve into gatekeeping even if nobody shows up here solely using binary pronouns the important thing, imo, is that they /identify as nb/ no matter what pronouns they use

I didn't mean their erasure. I meant it as "I am cisgender but I want to hang out with different people but I don't identify as anything but cis". I'm still in the closet myself where I need to use she/her to purely get by. Sorry if I offended you! and I'm pretty open minded being a nonbin, poly and demisexual person (I know the last two overlap and come out odd but that's just how things are) ;) My point is that if you do not identify as nonbinary or genderfluid at the least, this group isn't for them but they are free to talk to us elsewhere?

nods that makes a lot more sense lmao cis people not allowed zone is a-okay and i'm not offended i was just worried about binary pronoun nbs lol closet is not a fun place to be good luck with that your orientation doesn't sound weird to me at least i may have been in the ace community too long since that sort of thing is as far as i can tell pretty typical there using multiple words at least

Okay, so I know this conversation kind of panned out a few days ago, but there WAS a group ping literally forever ago, and y’all are just going to have to forgive me since I’m so hilariously slow at getting around to vocalizing what I want to say. I’ve been pretty amused watching the sP amount slowly go up, though - and I think funding genderless berries would be a really neat use of the money. I also concur with the idea of using it for our own giveaways / fun little contests or something, since we could add a bit of “fun” to our group.

If I’m being perfectly honest, this phrase intimidates me. I don’t actually like how hostile it sounds. I know we face a lot of negativity and stigma from a good portion of those who identify in a binary or cis way, but the thing is - it seems unfair to people who are actually cis. It kind of targets them in the same way we’re targeted? And I don’t like the idea of spreading negativity or hostility like that. I’m really sorry, but that idea makes me flinch away from it hardcore. :C

THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE BEST IDEA. ALL OTHER IDEAS CAN GO HOME NOW. No but seriously, that’s hilarious - good luck. I don’t think even with all of us pitching in we’d be able to pull this off unless we started selling a ton of CSC for sP to throw in there. x’D