The Masquerade ends while I'm asleep. I always feel bad about the dances I'm not able to accept anymore, because it's over.

I would apreciate a after dance day. A day you can only accept the invites but no longer invite to dance.

I had a couple of dance invites waiting for me when I got on this morning. I don't know why because I made sure not to post in the Masquerade forum an hour before I went off for the night. There was no way I could have been the last post in any of the dance threads.

This isn't necessary.

The ferocious women who have the run of the Atebus Historical Society and Ladies Atebusian Gardening Club are not to be trifled with and they rigorously track and keep file of everyone's dance card. Next year any cad who reneges on their offer to dance with you will be snubbed, have their masks made fun of, and get sloooow service in the Lounge. Nobody but nobody wants this to happen to them.

Subeta remembers all your invites and has done for years. Just show up next year and keep on going to the accept page and they will all play out just as if the party had never stopped.

If you know you won't be around to accept dances and therefore don't want to get invited, you can easily remove your mask before you go off the site for the last time before the event is over.

I would support a cool-down period where you could accept remaining dances. I know Subeta stores the dances for the next year (after this many years, I'm still surprised when I get phantom accepts on day one), but I'm trying to think about the people who want/need the trinkets in a timely manner.

It isn't just about the person who can't accept the last few dances, but also about the people who request the dances- no one gets the trinkets until acceptance. Considering that the achievements didn't come out until the last day, it would be perfectly understandable for people to still have items they want to purchase. And let's say I've been dancing with one person the entire last day and only need a few more trinkets to make my final purchase- if that person doesn't get back in time (or hell, if they quit Subeta at some point during the year), then I won't see those trinkets. Yes, I could purchase them or the items from the shops, but knowing that the trinkets are just in limbo is painful.

Anywho. I'm drowning in excess trinkets, so this isn't a necessary event inclusion. I just wanted to make the point that there are people who might not want to wait until next year.

I could go either way on this as well. Like yeah it's easy to take your mask off and say you're done, but I also wouldn't mind having a day or maybe even just 12 hours or so after the event where you can accept dances but not invite.

Although I am glad that dances get remembered for the next year so the invites aren't completely wasted.

I don't find the financial argument very compelling. Trinkets are not expensive, and are especially cheap after the event. The site is awash in spare trinkets right now. Those last few dances will get you trinkets you could buy the same amount from other users using sP from a round of quests.

Not all Achievements need to be immediately gettable.

Okay, you're right- trinkets are very cheap and widely available. Then abandoning financials, what about a different argument? Say, contests? A contest runner could have every intention of removing their mask at 10pm, or getting back on at 11:50pm to accept the last dances. But shit happens, and there's any number of reasons why plans could've failed. There were some really close contests out there, and a handful of dances in limbo could make a difference (meaning a whole lotta drama caused by their absence.)

I know for the contest I was entered in, I stopped counting dances on my end, and switched to tallying once they were accepted and I received the event. It was much less of a headache. Now, when the event ended, I'm pretty sure I still had quite a lot of dances in limbo. (I think that although the runner was on at 11:30pm, they ran out of time to accept.) Of course, I wasn't entered for the sake of trinkets, and am not bothered by not receiving them. But I am a little sad that I couldn't finish the event with an accurate dance count. However, the contest runner can't see who requested dances after midnight either. So although my contest wasn't a close race- if it was, those last couple dances would've been very important.

(And yes, yes. If there's drama, the contest runners could file tickets to get it sorted out. But frankly, they shouldn't need to if the only problem is accepting the last requests.)

...erm, what? I am the biggest advocate for this point when it's appropriate, but I'm kind of confused to where it's coming from right now. While I mentioned the Masquerade achievements before in passing, my point was not about them solely. I mean, there are 7 years worth of stuff in the Masquerade shops. You and I have both been here for 10, so while we're not hurting for trinkets, can you see why newer players might be?

I know that the economy is already drowning in trinkets- and I'm in no way saying to increase output for the sake of newer players (if anything, staff should probably cut output a little.) But what exactly is the difference between those players receiving tokens now, and having to wait a year to get those exact same tokens? Those players have those trinkets coming to them either way. (And waiting a year brings up the problems I mentioned earlier- the dance recipient could leave Subeta. A major site crash could wipe saved data. Contest dances are now voided.)

My overall belief (tl;dr)- if a person participates in the 2017 Masquerade, then they should see the rewards in the 2017 calendar year. Why should players be lacking trinkets simply because they danced too close to the end? ¯(ツ)/¯

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I'm not trying to start an argument or anything. I am legitimately confused as to why a cool-down period shouldn't be a thing, and you seem to be the only one who has posted in opposition (so far.) (So please don't kill me, I'm interested in your thinking.)

If they same trinkets go out next year, then I don't see the economical argument. And I don't see the lore argument, since it doesn't make sense for the Masquerade organizers to remember dance queue cards when the whole point is it's supposed to be anonymous. I can see the point of skipping this feature from a site coding perspective (it's not strictly broken, so don't fix it), which is why I mentioned it in my previous post. But that's a very different stance from it simply not being necessary at all.

IMO It's part of Subeta rules that a contest organizer is responsible for this stuff and is in violation if they don't. I personally think the special holiday boards should stay up for one month because that's the given deadline for awards in contests. The contest grantor can then look stuff up.

Achievements exist for total number of dances. It's the non-financial argument.

Identities are revealed. Just because you and I don't know them doesn't mean that the organizers don't. It's a game fact that all dances are exactly executed.. It's Atebus everything is cogworkly computerized, so dance cards look like old-fashioned Fortran punchcards, or a Jacquard plate. You or I would not be able to parse these, but we don't have to Subeta does it for us in addition to (say) the Phoenix government covering our entrance fee and bottomless trinkets bags costs.

Finally the meta-argument is that Subeta wants you to come back next year and play some more. It's a stickiness thing.

I could support a 6 to 12 hour cooldown period, yes, but I'm not sure if I'd support more. Absolutely not a full day for sure though.

tbh, the ending time was announced well before it happened