Howdy, fellow Subetans! Let's make a guide for the games page together, so we can all have a better idea of what prizes and payouts we can get from the different games. :D

Here is the information we've got so far, organized by the sections and order the games show up in on the Games page. Please ping me (Bug) if you have information to contribute, and I'll add it to this original post.

The maximums listed are per play, not per day. Each game is 10 plays per day unless otherwise stated.

I'm pretty certain that the payout ratios I have so far are correct (they are based on my own trials and experience). There is still a lot of stuff we could use data and observations on however! Just ping me if you have something to add. Thank you and enjoy~

this is literally the best thing ever, i love this so much. u da bes.

This is a very useful guide, thank you for making it!

However, I was playing Memory today and you can get up to 30k sP per game (without mistakes).

Divine Discs prize depends on how quickly you figure out the right combination, in the term of the empty rows remaining. For example: if there are 5 remaining rows, you win 6000 sP. If there are 3 remaining rows, you win 4000 sP. If there are no remaining rows/the playing board is full, you win 1000 sP. I hope this explanation is clear enough (sorry, English is my second language).

The Bug game: prize depends on the level you reach. Level 5 - you win 5000 sP. Level 6 - you win 6000 sP. Hopefully it's the same for higher levels. I haven't gotten farther than level 6.

I'll ping you if I think of anything else to add!

(love the name) Thank you! This is a great idea. I will try and help you fill in a couple of the holes.

Thimblerig

Payouts are random and range from the mid 5000s to the high 9000s and have the following randoms prizes from time to time:

Novelty Skull Straw Cup Skull Beanbag Skull Candle Holder Vertebra Necklace

The Bug Game

It pays 1000 X level and the only time you have to pay the 1000 to play is if you lose before you reach level 5. Also, you can play up to 20 times a day with no wait time in between games.

I will check on some others and let you know what I find if someone else doesn't do it first. :)

Blackout, based on grid size and moves: 77 - 49,000- moves 66 - 36,000- moves 65 - 30,000- moves 55 - 25,000- moves 5*4 - 20,000- moves

EDIT: LOL just noticed, re-reading to check for typos, the formula for blackout is even simpler than I thought: (grid size1000)- moves.

Subeku Very Easy: 3000-(60hints used), min: 1,620 Easy: 5000-(100hints used), min: 3,500 Medium: 8000-(160*hints used), min: 7,200 Hard: 15,000

Divine Discs 11,000-1,000 for each row 'used'

Matlal Jewels is one of the most complex to figure out. It is based on both level achieved and score achieved. I haven't been able to figure out the min/max of each level or how the score works its way in. Timed seems to have a higher base level score. The raw data below is all collected from Timed games, first number is score, second is sp earned, third is the level reached.

The Bug Game The bug game has changed a little since the info you have listed. You can now play 20 games per day, no wait time between games If you do NOT reach level 5, you will need to pay the bug guy 1,000 to be allowed to play again. From level 5 and up, you get 1,000 sp per level reached.

Bug game data: Level, total bugs hit, bugs needed for level

Thank you and , your contributions have been added to the guide :)

Spectrail payout is score*1.5, irrespective of difficulty level.

Ziara Raceway Easy: Score1.3 Medium: Score1.5 Hard: Score*1.8 Damage taken, distance left, win or die, doesn't have any effect on the payout ratio.

Thank you so much! Gosh, spectrail payout is AWFUL...

Thanks especially for the Ziara raceway data, I can't play that game at all. Maybe I don't understand how to play... I always die almost immediately :(

Yeah, I wouldn't even bother playing spectrail, except that I still need two achievements (750 and high score).

Ziara isn't too hard, just stay in the middle and try to keep movement to the minimum you need to avoid the bombs. I actually hadn't played in eons, it was more fun than I remembered.

Dark Matter Dice is easy - didn't even have to play a full game or submit my score, it shows your score and sP every round.
You can only play once every 6 hours. Payout is score*12 Max score is 123 pts for a max payout of 1476 sP LOL, With a payout like that, playing every day every 6 hrs (4 games a day) will get you the richest user achievement in no time at all!

[edit] Well it turns out that helping can be profitable: You receive 5,000 sP for having a high score this month in Ziara Raceway!

Maybe it would be worth adding what games have the new high scores tables (and reset every month), and what games don't? As well as which games have individual scores for the table versus cumulative scores.

It would be cool to see this guide expand :)

Hi! You're welcome to add any of my observations from my thread. I probably won't have time to actually make a guide myself, but it entertained me to make while I was bored at work that day, lol. And if you need me to test anything or do anything else to help, let me know. I'm online pretty much every day. :)

Dark Matter Dice You can only play once every 6 hours. Payout is score*12 Max score is 123 pts for a max payout of 1476 sP

Rock, Paper, Scissors You can play 20 rounds each hour You get 500 sP per win!

Are you going to add a note about games that don't give a payout, like Leviathan Harpooning, or that Omen Raiders doesn't currently work?

The two games that matter the most for resetting high scores are Matlal's Jewels and Spectrail, since both of those have achievements for getting on the high score table. Also of note is that you can't get the achievement for the first 3 days of each month.

I'm currently working on Mystic Spindles, but its slow going because there are so many different games to choose from. And I usually only ever play the Very Hard Four Corners version. I've got stats for everything but four corners, but I think I may need to generate a lot more stats before I can figure out the payout scheme.

Are you still working on this? I figured I might as well solve this, so I just played a few games of Mystic Spindles to figure out the sp rewards:

Very Hard Four Corners: 53 moves in 92 seconds = 14450 sp 63 moves in 92 seconds = 14550 sp 105 moves in 130 seconds = 13650 sp 105 moves in 139 seconds = 13560 sp 43 moves in 59 seconds = 14980 sp

As you can see I purposely got two games with the same number of moves and two games with the same time. (And then a 5th game to check the math.) Looks like the formula is

SP = Base - 10(Moves + Seconds)

The base changes depending on the level you're playing. Base for Very Hard Four Corners is 16000.

Intermediate Classic 5: 31 moves in 32 seconds = 4320 sp 31 moves in 41 seconds = 4230 sp 32 moves in 41 seconds = 4220 sp (just checking)

Base for Intermediate Classic is 4950.

Knowing this, it should be easy to figure out the Base for each level.

Excellent! Thank you. I put experimenting on hold during survival, but will get back to it soon.

There also seems to be a cap on Mystic Spindles. No matter how good I do, Four Corners won't give me more than 15000 SP.

Funny you're talking about sP payout here. I give a darn about sP ;-)

Have you figured out, how many int. points each game gives, respectively, which one has the best int/time (move) ratio?

Quite honestly, I am very confused, why the game doesn't tell us this result to begin with.

Tried some myself: Classic 3 = 2 Classic 4 = 6 Classic 5 = 8 Classic 6 = 15

There used to be guides for the old version and I believe we could play an infinite amount of games per day :-( Accumulating int. points is hard with only 10 games/day.

Matchmaker is the kind of unsolvable one, because nothing indicates, which Tower is which?! :-)

Matchmaker 3 = 2 Illumination 3 = 4 Matchmaker 6 = 10 Illumination 6 = 40 Four Corners = 40

Matchmaker is doable if you look at the bases. The artwork matches Torrent/Kumos/Ghostly, although it's really small and hard to see.

If you want intelligence points, just do Four Corners or Illumination 6 over and over. Once you learn it, it should take less than 2 minutes to get 40 points.

It's super boring, longwinded and ruins my wrist. Thanks for your additional information!

I'm slow with Illumination 6, so for me Four corners is the fastest way to get the 40 IP.

Four Corners takes me between 1-1.5 minutes depending on the initial setup.

I think but am not sure that in Matlal's Jewels, level does not matter for the payout (although I had a hell of a time establishing this: I have no idea what makes the level counter tick over), but that timed gives ~2 sP/point and endless gives ~1.5 sP/point.