Well, saw this with the new Zentus that went out and I like the suggestions on the news post so here's an official suggestion thread asking for this feature.

Can we have an option, whether free, rare, sp sink, what have you, to create pets with no gender signifier? This would be different than the current generless option (a circle instead of a male or female sign) or the gear gender. It would just be like the accidental Zentu that went out earlier, "Patsu the Zentu" and no gender icon at all.

I would personally love this and I have several pets I could already apply this too! Some of the comments from the news post:

I don't see how this would be different from the current genderless berry option? Plus, I feel that it would cause issues and confusion.

There is a rule on having the pet's gender (and other information) listed on the profile at all times, especially if you plan to participate in the pet spotlight. Can't do that with the bugged pets since they literally have no gender icon.

Either make the genderless zantus actually genderless (i.e. give them the genderless icon), or remove the rule on having a pet's gender displayed at all times for the pet spotlight and pet profiles in general.

I was thinking the same thing, but I thought I was missing something. Having the option to have a genderless pet with no icon and a genderless pet with the genderless icon seems redundant to me. It would render the gendlerless berry pointless, no?

edit: I'm not actively opposing this, just moreso I don't see what the difference is. I guess I can't wrap my head around the explanation, sorry. :( But with the zentu's unique adoption method, I wouldn't be opposed to being able to find a genderless zentu as a real option, rather than via a glitch.

Well,

1. They're already in existence and therefore a (hard to get) option. I guess they have to make those pet spotlight decisions right now anyway. So that's not really a reason against it.
2. I don't think there would really be confusion, more so than sex berry/generless berry/gear gender already cause, which is no big deal.
3. Another pet customization option, which is different from genderless icon because it's specifically no gender given, instead of genderless which would imply a gender neutral/agender kind of this. I only say genderless because that's the first word that came to mind, but they are more of a mystery gender. I don't see a problem with this, since the gear gender is also a type of genderlessness and still a great option. This one can be Zantu-specific and allow us to get a mystery/genderless refresh, giving it a unique spin.

Your third point doesn't make a single lick of sense. How are Genderless/Non-gendered/Agender/Gender Neutral different things? They literally all mean the same thing. I agree with the other people posting here; it'll just cause confusion. I'd rather stick with the old genderless sign than get a new, second one. It's a glitch, some people got lucky and get to keep their glitched pets, but really, what good does it do for them? It doesn't give people with this specific type of genderless pet an advantage over anyone else. If you really want a blank genderless pet, scroll the pound or the adopt r us.

I would be more inclined to say let's change all of the non symboled genderless zentus into symboled genderless ones instead so no one feels like this was unfair.

Yes, they're in existence. So are pets with the December 31st, 1969 "birthdate". The difference being that the birthdate does not go against the rules.

The empty-gendered bugged pets have all potential to end in a clusterfuck of "why is my pet being rejected from the spotlight queue? I followed all of the spotlight rules" or "I got a warning for not displaying my pet's information, but it's all displayed?".

We already have a berry option for having a genderless/unspecified pet. We have a rule in place for always having to display a pet's gender on their profile.

I don't have anything against having a (very small) chance of getting a proper non-bugged genderless ( icon) zantu from the pools, but the whole no-icon-genderless suggestion makes zero sense to me.

I would leave it as is currently. The pets were glitched and genderless is already an option just not a standard one. You buy a genderless berry and use it on them and bam genderless pet.

Genderless and non-gendered aren't the same thing imo. Non-gendered is more of a neutral and universal thing to me in which no specific choices or ideas about gender or identity were made and therefore can be related to however the viewer wants, and genderless is "hey they don't have a gender don't specify them as masculine or feminine". It's about perception to me. Of course this won't be everyone's opinion, but it's why I wouldn't mind seeing this option added.

Personally I'd like a rare refresh option for a non-gendered pet. I have a pet named Adventureland and I'd like to work with the concept that whoever's looking at the pet can see them as male, female, neutral, etc., according to how they perceive them so that they can relate to them however they want (I can obviously work with this with a genderless pet though, just like the idea).

Not going to be upset if this isn't added though because it was in fact a glitch, just something I thought was cool.

Having a genderless pet in Subeta doesn't compare to being agender in real life. I concept it as not being specifically related to being male or female or trans, if at all.

I would really support if the bugged Zentus could have the genderless symbol assigned to them, instead of just "we're basically break a site rule because we were result of a bug" That's 102% better IMO.

This is an excellent point that might need to be considered.

Sooo... they're the same, essentially. Genderless means non-gendered, and you basically described the same thing twice.

And I pointed out that not everyone's going to agree with my definition so what's the point of you trying to pick an argument?

@ Amber Cheers! Here's hoping you guys consider all the pros and cons of this. It has the potential to get really messy especially since there's an adequate option for non-gender-specific pets already on the site. I'd rather see intersex pets be a thing than this tbh.

Oh, the rule about always having the gender displayed isn't spotlight-specific. It's a site-wide rule.

[edit] Sorry if I mass-pinged you. Kept trying to include the intersex symbol into my post and for some reason, the site keeps changing it into a questionmark. :s

edit 2 (goes at the top due to importance, deal wit it): And ofc, thanks for appreciating my suggestion c: <3 Yes I'm weird and think about old threads a lot :>

I personally just liked the 'neatness' of the chance to get a special Zentu (sorry subeta, species name = caps, per your own doing). They already have the cool day/night and refresh for gender features, this seemed like a perfect augment to that. It also keeps the fairness of having the 'bug' available to all, since people are allowed to keep them.

I'd be ok with that option resulting in the standard symbol, but I admittedly didn't realize the Zentus that did go out bugged were different than that.

I can see the significance of the difference between symbol and no symbol, even if it's not a huge deal to me. Perhaps that could be Zentus version of genderless by default (although that messes with people who already did ) or perhaps it can be allowable/toggleable to remove the symbol if that is your preference.

Honestly, gender's accuracy is such a minor thing it could just be removed entirely from the pet spotlight requirements. Then people who want to tinker can. That devalues the berries some, but they would still be there for people it's important to. It could also be more like the color requirement: you can change your pet's appearance from the default colors, so long as you don't falsely represent them as another official Subeta color. So you can't display the incorrect official male/female/ icons, but if you write your story where they're gender fluid/agendered/etc and just show no icon that's cool.

*edit: cleaned this up some. Shouldn't have posted right as I was trying to leave the house :o

I really wouldn't mind my pet Caoime ending up with the genderless symbol. I've already changed her into a different species so now it looks like I've removed the gender symbol instead of her being a glitched pet. :x

A few things on this:

1. I support the idea of making genderless (the o symbol) a rare option at the bathhouse. Honestly, that's just an awesome idea.
2. I support making the pets that are missing their gender entirely into genderless (o) and then providing the owners the option to file a ticket to receive the gender they want (which is already what they have to do).
3. As for a no-gender-at-all option (other than the genderless berry) - I don't mind it, since there are some pets that having no gender at all would work for (such as pets that represent places, objects, or ideas that gender would not be attributable to). That said, the genderless berry is already a pretty good option for this. I wouldn't mind if it was just made an option at pet creation (Male, Female, or No Gender).
4. I totally support 's suggestion for intersex. I know that is kind of a side comment to the original OP, but yeah. I have a pet that would probably be better as intersex than genderless... but that is a small thing.

so it's a year later and i know lots of people were in favor of correcting the glitched pets but y'know, i really like having my noun-pet just be a common experiment 870 without any gender icon at all

and i would appreciate the opportunity to have more nouns without gender icons

i just said on a different topic that i think the only paywalled icon should be the steamwork gear, but i'd take that back and pay an exorbitant fee for a "no icon" option in a heartbeat

I'm for the option of being able to have no gender symbol on pets, like the zentu that were created without.

Does having a designated and assigned gender on these things that we create really matter? I'm not for doing away with gender designations entirely (of course, but I don't want someone suggesting that's what's wanted...), but why not have an option of opting out of it for things that have no need of gender?

The genderless designation is still a something, after all, and I get why people would want nothing instead. I've got a pet or two that don't need to be gendered (one being a possessed weapon, if I ever get around to doing the profile for it on here...) but they are just genderless right now. I had to pay for that option in the past, but I'd pay to change them to an actual nothing in the future.