GoOutside and Medicontra are both newer, but have never gotten added to the Shops page. They're 'standard' enough that it really seems they should be there, either in their respective relevant sections or the bottom section. As an aside, that bottom section could probably stand renamed or reorganized, since it's pretty inconsistent now - ex Music Shop and now the Bake Stop as well.

Additionally, they're a little more debatable but I'd argue that the SG floating market stores (somewhat similar to the Souk shops) and Pawn Shop could stand to be there. Antique as well, though perhaps it'd be better in one of the next two options. SBQ or MC less so (they're at least not outright called 'shop' if nothing else, and are more obvious on the map than the Pawn Shop or newer Antique shop).

Perhaps another tab for holiday/event shops - at least the annual/year round ones - might be nice. Or they could just go on the main tab as a new section. Plot shops would be another possibility but I know they're likely to be a little more limited and you might not want to put something users will never have the currency for right in front of them. They're also being slowly absorbed into the Antique Shop (as I understand it) so /eh. They are pretty spread/hidden - some more than others, like the Coda Caves plot shop - right now, though.

Referral maybe too? It'd be a nice repository, but there is probably a point where it gets a little fuzzier and/or overcrowded. You might also want to keep some stuff a little more of a surprise/worth seeking out. QPs and Crystal are fine since they're linked where you earn them, imo, but I wouldn't be outright against them being there.

*TL;DR: GoOutside and Medicontra for sure, others maybe.

I agree to this. It would be nice to have all the shops neatly linked to in the shops list even if they are the "non-restocking" shops. They could be listed with the main shops but in a separate section. It's not like it'd hurt anything that I now of since all stock is constant and I believe they are meant as an SP sink anyway so making them more accessible will likely make people more likely to purchase said items.

As of now they're really hidden though. Especially Medicontra, since you have to click through the Healer to get there and that essentially means either stumbling upon it or knowing it exists.

I'd be fine with another tab or a different section. Keeping them separate on the page as-is makes sense, but that's why some of this was making the page more than it is now c:

And while I appreciate the Currency Page, so many things like that are updated so slowly/piecemeal (sometimes it gets a news post, sometimes it gets a siteupdate ping, sometimes it gets nothing at all) that they still remain relatively hidden - especially cases like the currency page where the plot shops are waayy down the page. For example, I honestly hadn't noticed the shop search/trades tabs until I made this thread. And again, looking for something like that means both you know it exists/it's a currency, and/or likely knowing that you've already earned some of it (like I said in the referral shop thread). I know that's more about communication as a whole and not something that can really go back in time to be fixed, but it's part of why I feel making them extra obvious and easy to find is an important part of keeping the site friendly and accessible to both new and returning players.

I do get that! The currency page existing/having my sP is old hat to me. I deal with the top quarter of that page fairly regularly. I don't have a lot of reason to scroll down it so I tend to forget some of those, but less-used being at the bottom ultimately does makes sense (as long as you know that less used is there).

For me it's more about consistency/looking at it as a new or long-absent user. I know Medicontra is there, so I can go find it (or more likely Google it). I know Louis L'Amour is the Survival Holiday shop, so I can Google him. Somebody new doesn't. Somebody coming back might know there's a shop, but forget what it is. When you buy/receive a Vesnali coin, there is no 'add to currency bank' option on it. There's no mention of currency at all besides the rarity. You have to go to Esther to add it, well and good. But then you just have an increased amount on her page. She only mentions 'currency bank', no link or indication it's something separate from her edit: wording fix. As long as you can remember/get back to her shop (and she at least has a world map link, Louis doesn't) that's fine. You don't get even much of an indication to look elsewhere /shrug.

Similarly, the new vault page is great. It puts stuff all in one place and cuts down on user inventory clutter. But now that the 'other currencies' link is gone from the sidebar userbox, the fact that it contains said other things is less visible. You click your sP to get there. It's still called the 'vault' around the site. Once you get there, that page is called 'currencies' but the main things you see are sP (you know that's there already) and a box called 'Active Currencies'. That helps keep event/especially plot - since you don't really 'turn them in' anywhere/they have never been physical objects - currencies out of sight and out of mind further down the page.

I'm a long-time player. But the infrequency of my play as of late helps me realize what I've forgotten and how much stuff I just 'know' exists so I find it with off-site tools, vs being able to more 'normally' come across it/navigate to it.

As for solutions: I like the special shops page. Perhaps if you don't directly want plot/seasonal shops there, that page could at least link to currencies? And half of the event/currency shops having a place around the world map (Esther, Masquerade non-plot, Epicon) vs half not is still kinda awkward, but adding all of them does seem a little over the top/some don't really have a good place to go (like Louis and especially NY's shop).

That sounds pretty excellent, and also makes the tabs make a little more sense. As it is right now the trade/shop search are more tangentially relevant than 'other shops' and as such almost make more sense as buttons.

Might change 'NPC shops' to 'Main Shops' or even 'Restocking Shops' on the tab, since some of the others have NPCs, but that's a very very small thing c:

And just to keep the sections smaller it could be Seasonal - Event Prize (Antique being the first listed ideally + hey alphabetically) - Rotating Stock - Other. Or even event at the bottom since they're less constantly relevant/coming back around to being relevant.

Edit: And the currencies blurb just like the main/npc shops link to battle/wardrobe! And now that I'm looking at those with fresh eyes: I dunno if there's a way to link to the Collections section of the game page (or just make https://subeta.net/collections.php/ a splash page), but it could use a link + the Pets page for that section. It's one thing then it's immediately another, lol, sorry :p

I hang out in Help & Questions all the time and these are not questions of errors or newbie surprises that I see there. If anyone is flummoxed, they're keeping it well hidden. To my mind, you're doing this because it's fun to organize stuff.

The usefulness of calling NPC Shops 'NPC Shops' is because new users think you are referring to usershops whenever you use the word shop. Official shops doesn't really work either because they know players can have more than one shop, and some of them are used to restocking from other players in other places they've been so Restocking doesn't seem a helpful word to me.

I'm sorry you feel the need to question my motivations. I did mention consistency as well. Consistency's been improving a lot lately (especially since Amber and Ariel stepped up and starting doing more) but it's something the site's been lacking for a loonnng time too. So it's a little of both.

And people can't ask about what they don't know exists, like Medicontra (between the occasional news posts, anyways). But for examples: 1 2 3 (currency bank confusion/unfamiliarity)

That's going 2 whole pages back. And I tend to float back and forth between being in H&Q frequently or not (right now is a 'not' period) but I know I've seen similar questions before.

I google, even though I know darn well where all of those places are since I've been here a long time, because it's fast and it works no matter what browser I am using.

Now ya see, all that stuff that you and Tribunal are talking about? It's confusing as all heck to me it's gonna clutter the heck of those pages up especially if now you are talking about tabs. It really does seem to me like you are shuffling stuff around because it's fun for you. I don't have a direct objection to this, I like people to have fun, but:

No matter what you do to those pages Googling is faster and more convenient, Find is an awesome thing for human brains. Instead of doing all of this, make the Search Subeta button do more than it does.

...so this is sounding like an even worse idea to me. I'm really not trying to vex you, but now it seems to me it neither is going to help with the google-thing, or make things useful to everyone.

Pages on Subeta break, become non-useable to this or that browser or operating system. (truth for me here, to show my bias on this: right now I'm using three different browsers here, depending on what I'm doing and sometimes I will borrow a friends PC or pad)

Over time, it seems like a lot because time flies when you're having fun and I've been here a long time and had a lot of fun, so I know this is unfair to say 'a lot'. But it's not VERY unfair. Centralizing everything under one page is an invitation for crisis when that page breaks. If users are used to having to look around, they will know there's a workaround (as there usually is here, Subeta is awesome that way) and not stress out. But if they're used to having just one page, they're gonna freak.

Pssh, it took like no time at all! And it looks lovely c:

thank you for suggesting it love, and thank you for making it happen! this is truly amazing ^-^

Can the Pawn shop / CW Pawn shop be added too? As it's quite discreet on the map