Dresses: Chest or Fullbody Layer
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I noticed that some dresses are in the fullbody layer, while most are in the chest layer. I'm thinking it would make more sense to have all of them in the same layer, and I'm leaning towards the fullbody layer for all of them, since dresses are generally not worn with the types of items in the "bottom" layer. Having the dress type items all be in one layer would make them easier to find in the wardrobe, and perhaps also help unclutter the very full chest layer.
(All of this said, there may be a very good reason why staff decided to put some dresses in fullbody but not others, and if so, I'd be curious to know what it is.)
Dresses in the "fullbody" layer would be amazing!
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I wish they would be on the Full Body Layer.
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I'd be very happy if they were recategorised; it would open up a lot more layering opportunities. I've never understood why dresses were considered chest items as standard.
Hmm, I think I support this. It would be hard to get used to at first, I'd be looking in the chest layer for the dresses, but overall it would be more beneficial and makes more sense since dresses tend to cover more than just your chest. And then there's this: which has the right idea of being in the body layer, but it should go to full body with the rest of the dresses out there.
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yeah, i'm generally alright with having dresses in the chest layer even though it doesn't REALLY make sense, but i would still like it to be consistent. i understand that some dresses are longer/cover more of the body and therefore make sense to be in full body, while others are shorter and could be argued fit in the chest layer better, but there isn't actually a whole lot of consistency—there are TONS of long dresses that cover the entire body in the chest layer, and some shorter/mid-length ones in the full body layer. wherever they decide to put the dresses, i would like it for all the dresses to be in the same layer.
(also it'd be nice if all tights would be put in the legs layer as there are a few in the bottoms layer and i end up never using them because i forget they exist when i'm looking through my legs layer for tights.)
Awhile back the user had a really brilliant topic about revamping the wardrobe categories to be more consistent.
Any clothing that rests on or solely encompasses the HAs chest. These items are generally functional, aimed towards shirts and dresses. Any clothing that extends beyond the knees of the HA belongs in either Body or Full Body (depending on the rest of the piece). Items that function as any sort of jacket/coat/vest may belong in the Over Chest layer. Key indicators as to which item to place in Over Chest are are extensive buttons, long zippers, an open/revealing design, etc. See examples for further guidelines.
Example items: shirts, long-sleeve shirts, short dresses, partial bodysuits (fitted like bathing suits), full corsets, half tops, blouses, bras, vests, etc
Items that cover some major layers (such as Chest/Arms and Bottom/Legs) should exist in the Body layer. Partial figure altering items or unique limbs belong in the Body layer. See examples for further guidelines.
Example items: Rompers, partial body suits, partial long dresses, partial long kimonos, partial figure changing items, unique limbs, small play sets, jewelry sets, overalls, etc.
Items that cover many major layers (Arms, Chest, Bottom, Legs, Hat) should exist in the Full Body layer. These items should virtually cover the entire HA. See examples for further guidelines.
Example items: compete body suits, costumes, long and sleeved dresses, large costume trunks, etc
I would love for all the layers to be more consistent, because they're really not. So I support dresses being made Fullbody exclusively. It'd be nice if eventually there could be some consistency.
Full body makes more sense. Another would be I think the new body hair should be body, not chest or arms or legs. Body.
There are all sorts of layer insanity - right up to some colored items being divided into two different layers (i.e. Red, black, green in one layer with the purple one in a different layer altogether). I would love some consistency.
I suspect that part of the problem started with trunks - where staff wanted to make sure that a person could wear an entire truck, they ended up having to make some "loose" definitions of what should be in one layer verses another. Then things went downhill from there.
Putting all dresses in the fullbody layer works for me.
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I never know where to look when I'm looking for items of a particular sort because the categories are so inconsistent. So it would be amazing to see this tweaked-- although horribly taxing, considering how many wearables there are. :x
I have a full body CW that's body hair on all parts of the body. [item2=golden surfer body hair]. It really does cover all the layers so it is rightly a full body item. You are asking for items which really don't cover any other zone than what they're on to be Body because you are thinking that they are closest to the body in RL. But how close something is to your HA here in Subeta is entirely arbitrary and a matter of how you yourself choose to layer it. You can put tattoos on top of your clothes, and some of the Steamworks tatts are great to make an otherwise non-steamworks item of clothing seem like it is one if you use them like a screened print instead of as a tatt.
Now I'm going to say why I don't support this Suggestion.
It's because there are so many interpretations from users about what-layer an item should be. You would not believe the huge arguments years ago that came around when many of the newer Layers were added to the Wardrobe. A mini-dress is not a fullbody item, to my mind.
I don't always agree with but her rather difficult task is necessary and her judgement should be final IMO.
Right now this is purely a technical limitation of the system. The "current" wardrobe uses the filename to determine what layer the item is on, so in the event of changing a bunch of items to a new layer they have to changed as files as well, which is messy and not something or are well equipped for on our end.
The new wardrobe(s) instead use a field in the database that makes it easy to change what layer they are on, so hopefully we're heading in that direction soon and it'll be easier for us to make these kind of changes across the board.
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I shouldn't have to buy CWs at 500-600 CSC a pop for body hair. I stand by that. (And most of the dress layering reasoning is really quite odd.)
Honestly, lots of wearables need to be re-evaluated on which layer their in. I've even seen some CWs that were just... all over the place. It's hell trying to sort through, esp when the beta wardrobe still doesn't work.
my disagreement with you was over layering of the GoOutside hairs, not manufacturers suggested retail price. (I happened to make that CW because I personally wanted it. Nobody needs to follow my example. I mention it here because it's a good example of why Body layered body hair is different from Arm layered body hair.)