I'm going to start with Pie's instructions in post of this topic -

http://subeta.net/forums/view/904510

I find it interesting how many of us seem to wonder what the above has to do with the price of eggs. I know I'd much rather be looking at sketches for clothing lines which the designers would be producing for SBQ if they won. We also focus on how the items would work separately because we buy the clothes to wear. Do we really want items which only work as a set so we end up looking the same as every other SBQ shopper? Sofi calls us outsiders because we have difficulty seeing things from a fashion designer's perspective. :D

The other thing I find very interesting is how the competition has resulted in the Underground Subeautique movement. The various suggestions in the topic led to the opening post being edited to read -

http://subeta.net/forums/view/904735

Camilo has his fans even though he was eliminated in the first round - they long to see his designs turned into actual clothing items they can wear. Others want grunge or edgy etc.

I've joined the Underground Subeautique movement but I'm still enjoying the competition as an event. The real life artists have put a lot of work into it and I think it's great fun meeting the designers as NPC's.

I think you and others are missing the point like has stated. You're meant to look at the overall design, because that's the only way you're going to figure out the designer's style. This is a fashion contest. It's not meant to literally translate well onto the ha base. I think sketches are less laborious for the artists involved compared to trying to sketch a subQ line. Plus with the uniting themes each round, we see each designer's style and interpretation and we can deduce how their future subQ line will be styled. For example, Gwen's would have a lot of clutter/details, Luciana's asymmetry, and Sofi's vibrant colors / patterns. I'm not sure why people are looking at the practicality of each sketch. The real question should be .. do you like this sketch as a whole and as an interpretation of a theme? Essentially, do you like their style? I really wish 's quote was placed on the official tres chic pages to prevent this confusion. :s

I'm also not sure what you're saying about subQ shoppers. "items which only work as a set so we end up looking the same as every other subQ shopper" ?? Like excuse me, but what? xD I haven't seen any user wear an entire subQ set on the forums let alone the majority of the set at once, so I think your comment is off-base. Plus, which items from what recent subQ set only work as a set? That's not the item's fault. That's the user's for failing to use it with other items. :l

I'm definitely open to seeing more variety (and no, that doesn't just mean more edgy or urban and punk items but also boho and other fashion styles) and if the Underground Subeautique suggestion thread results in that, then I'm all for it. I'm really hoping it will be sP based, seeing as subQ sets are sP based already.

I'm loving this event. I wish we could see the percentages and I wish we had information like that from up in an official manner (because not everyone visits the forums or reads comments), but overall, I'm really happy with this new event and can't wait to see who wins. c:

I know we're missing the point and I said I find it interesting that many of us have difficulty getting into the fashion designer mindset.

My attempt at deduction resulted in thinking that Sofi has a dislike of sleeves, jackets or gloves like Esmerelda's. She said that they're for autumn so it's nice to know she'll provide something along those lines later in the year if she wins. :D

I can appreciate a couple of Sofi's sketches as artwork but I really have difficulty relating the concept to clothes which might stock in the SBQ shop later on. I'm what Sofi calls an outsider and I'm not the only one.

What I actually said in my post -

Nobody wants to look like SBQ clones and we all make an effort not to, including me because I have a lot of SBQ items in my wardrobe. Some of us, however, seem to have difficulty divorcing our clothes buying approach from looking at a design theme as a whole. We're thinking in terms of "I like that jacket/dress/whatever but will it go with anything I've already got or can I buy something else it will go with?" The way I see it, if Sofi's fruit and veg dress was an actual clothing item I wouldn't want to buy it in order to convey the idea of horned melons - I'd only buy it if I could make a unique outfit based on it and I liked the result. Everyone else on the site who enjoys making HAs would be taking the same approach.

We're all different in the way we perceive things - I'm sure Sofi would class you as an insider because you can think in the way people are supposed to according to the instructions.

I'm just elaborating on what originally stated. I feel like if people are misinterpreting the sketches like that, they shouldn't be voting. Obviously, I can't sit here and say don't vote because your viewpoint is different, but when things aren't addressed, we have the possibility of mishaps like Camilo getting eliminated first round because people misinterpreted what exactly they were voting for. :s Basically, if you're voting based on an individual piece, you're doing it wrong. I don't know how else to word this better. |D Because in the end, the subQ line is something entirely new and while it should be consistent with the style of the designer, it's not guaranteed to have any direct replicas of pieces you were voting on (or not voting on).

I know what you said. My issue is with how you worded it. It sounded a whole lot like a we v. them situation with you insinuating you focus on how items work because you buy the clothes to wear... but you aren't the only one who does that when it comes down to items that actually exist on site. The sketches aren't actual wearables you can buy, so I fail to see how that can be used as an argument for this event. xD

The themes aren't really related to subQ. I doubt any artist will release a fruit and veggie line. Even something inspired by mermaids and Katy Perry (giselle underwater gurl) didn't have each piece be literal to the point where only a select few would use it. So I think it's unfair to the artists to think with your viewpoint. I respect each one of us perceives things differently, but with a contest like this, when an admin is telling you how the contest works and you choose not to alter your viewpoint and voting based on it, then I feel like there's nothing more to say except you're doing it wrong. /shrugs

That quote should have been on the voting page from the start. :| I may not have gone into this with the same mindset that I now have a hard time shaking. I still look at the designs with eye as to how the designs/clothing would be able to work with the HAs. Though I shouldn't have to, we're talking about the site artist who know.

Camilo still doesn't wow me. His designs remind me of fan art. More so the plant design. I just hope I can be proven wrong on my first thought in the first round that Gwenyth will end up winning. I saw the pink, fluffy, frilly, and girly sketch against the more "plainer, adult" looking sketches and went, "That's the one almost everyone will love. I think there's more users here who love that [type of art] than the other stuff."

I've been following the Camilo fanclub topic and there are comments on the lines of "If only animals/fruit and veg had been the first round I'd have voted for him." This suggests that the posters concerned see his interpretations of these themes as being more inspired than his interpretation of candy. So what if animals or fruit and veg really had been the first round? Somebody else would have been eliminated first because a number of votes would have gone to Camilo instead of who they actually did go to in Round 1. We have no way of knowing who made it to Round 2 just because Candy was chosen to be Round 1.

I'm sorry if it came across like that and it wasn't intended to be an argument in favour of looking at things differently. I find it interesting that not all players automatically adopted the outlook we were supposed to.

I'm thinking of it in terms of fictional NPCs living in the fantasy world of Subeta competing for the prize of designing lines for a fictional boutique. When I'm chatting to Sofi I'm pretending to be an android who is also living in the fantasy world of Subeta. My alter ego is amused by Sofi's sketches suggesting that she's designing with Esmerelda in mind and ignoring the fact that the average Subetan woman has a different body type. What am I thinking as myself? The real life artist who has drawn Sofi's sketches is fully aware that the HA base doesn't look like Esmerelda - if her character wins she'll have to adapt her SBQ designs to suit what she has to work with. She'll be an expert at doing this because she'll have produced many of the wearables on the site and I'll have some of them in my wardrobe. For all I know I could have one or more on my HA as I type this. This is really the reason why I find myself looking at some of the competition entries as artwork because I know that we won't be getting anything which completely matches the fictional designers' visions. It's not the real life artists' fault because the HA base can't be revamped without it affecting every clothing item on the site including CWs.

The way I see it, we aren't voting for the real life artists who produce the real site wearables for SBQ. We're voting for the work of fictional characters. When Primrose Potter was eliminated she was very insulting to the designers who made it to the next round. Gwenyth is a real sweetie who is thrilled that so many people like her designs. Sofi classifies people as 'insiders' or 'outsiders' when it comes to the world of fashion. Camilo has his own personality and outlook, too.

I've tried to follow the instructions with the actual voting. I've gone for Gwenyth's design in every round so far because I love the way she approaches the themes. No, I wouldn't want to wear her fruit and veg outfit myself but I found her literal interpretation fun and different to the usual boutique style. I honestly can't see her winning the competition but I'd love to know what this fictional character would come up with if she was free to pick her own themes.